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How does a person do well on these exams? I do well during the clerkship but then I do below the class average on the shelf. I did fine on Step 1 (235+) so I'm not that bad at test taking.
I just get to the exam and panic. And my grade goes from pretty good since I had gotten good evals to just satisfactory/pass becus of the shelf.

any tips on how to study?
 
mellantro said:
How does a person do well on these exams? I do well during the clerkship but then I do below the class average on the shelf. I did fine on Step 1 (235+) so I'm not that bad at test taking.
I just get to the exam and panic. And my grade goes from pretty good since I had gotten good evals to just satisfactory/pass becus of the shelf.

any tips on how to study?

I had the same problem last year. Studied really hard for the surgery shelf, bombed it (70-something). Changed the way I studied and then did well from then on (84-98).

In short, know one good book really well, do quality questions, and learn from your patients (flesh out their diseases... just because your patient doesn't manifest symptoms/signs, learn every aspect of their disease).

1. Limit yourself to one good source, and know it well. Almost every rotation has at least one book that people consistently recommend. Instead of reading NMS, First Aid, and Blueprints, focus on knowing that one good book inside and out. I read a bunch of different surgery texts (Lawrence, occassionally NMS and Recall) and just got confused. From then on I mastered one text per subject.

2. Study consistently. Some rotations are more time intensive than others. It'll be tough on surgery and the such, but read a little every day. Memory, like working out your body, tends to improve if you do a little per day rather than a glut toward the end. There's just too much to know.

3. Broad knowledge base. It's all well and good to know about your patients, their diseases, etc. But you're not going to see everything in a couple of months. Some key concepts and pathologies you'll only see in a book or an exam during your clerkship. I've never seen a myocardial infarction in progress or an active asthma exacerbation. Those things are still essential to know for an internal med exam. That's why you should read the one good book thoroughly.

4. Questions/scenarios. Do as many questions as you can the last two weeks or so of your rotation. If you take quizzes or have lecture, maybe do them before those as well. There's a few things I found that were consistently strong sources. Kaplan Q-Book, Step 2 Secrets ,Blueprints Q&A (not the texts) had high quality questions. Pretest (except for Peds) and A&L were generally abysmal. MKSAP is great for Medicine. For scenarios, Case Files is a safe bet.

5. Do learn from new patients. When I took Step 2, there were questions I knew only because I saw them in real life. That said, during third year, a lot of patients I had on the floor for a few days had had their acute problem solved. They remained due to social issues, too low/high INR, spiking a temp, etc. You usually don't learn much after the initial workup and treatment. If your team gets a new patient, pay attention. If you're rounding on that one guy who still has ileus or can't get into rehab, zzz....

6. Go home. I never heard a resident say they didn't work enough, but I heard several wish they had more time to read. As a matter of principle, I never asked to go home, but don't look twice once someone suggests it. Very rarely are they tricking you. The only reason to stay is to see/do something cool. You can help your patient... but it's usually something menial that's going to be managed without difficulty. Go home and rest! You're paying them to LEARN to be a better doctor.
 
I should have read this thread before Friday. I just shanked the surgery shelf....WTF was that, I am just hoping to have passed and my Honors dream was gone after 15 questions.

That "what else would make/confirm the diagnosis" is hard to figure out after watching the residents and attendings order CTs on everyone. I don't remember them ordering 1 HIDA scan or doing many EGDs at all. So, I have to try and remember what some book said versus what I just watched unfold for 2 months.

Perhaps my brain just leaked right before the exam b/c I felt like I didn't know jack!

I can't believe that all I want is a passing grade.
 
I should have read this thread before Friday. I just shanked the surgery shelf....WTF was that, I am just hoping to have passed and my Honors dream was gone after 15 questions.

That "what else would make/confirm the diagnosis" is hard to figure out after watching the residents and attendings order CTs on everyone. I don't remember them ordering 1 HIDA scan or doing many EGDs at all. So, I have to try and remember what some book said versus what I just watched unfold for 2 months.

Perhaps my brain just leaked right before the exam b/c I felt like I didn't know jack!

I can't believe that all I want is a passing grade.

For some reason the surgery shelf makes people feel like that even if they do fine. I predict you got 75th percentile or above. Im not a nice person either so im not typing this just to make you feel better, that shelf messes with your head.
 
What do people think of the OB shelf? That test was atrocious!
 
46&2 thank you for your advice. I definitely think I tend to be all over the place with my resources, since everyone has different opinions of what to use.
I think for my next rotation I will fight my urge to look at other books, and try to focus on one book. Here's hoping I can actually do decent for once!

BTW, the scores you wrote about - are those your raw scores or percentiles?
 
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For some reason the surgery shelf makes people feel like that even if they do fine. I predict you got 75th percentile or above. Im not a nice person either so im not typing this just to make you feel better, that shelf messes with your head.


Thanks dynx, I take my exam in a few days and I am just wating to get spanked. 😱 Anyone else use those Pestana questions? They seem pretty decent for the surgery shelf.
 
For some reason the surgery shelf makes people feel like that even if they do fine. I predict you got 75th percentile or above. Im not a nice person either so im not typing this just to make you feel better, that shelf messes with your head.


Holy ****, good call: 76th percentile.
 
They are pretty good. Pestana was head of surgery at my school for a long time. He's been retired for a while. He gave us a lecture early in 1st year about assessing the abdomen that was downright hilarious, but very helpful too. It's a little awe inspiring to be lectured by the guy the lecture hall is named after!
I agree with the above poster about using one source for each. I liked case files on everything they published them for, and recall + casefiles for surgery. Its about the common stuff usually, so know those backwards and forwards. Then know the deadly stuff. Then know the kneejerk response stuff.


Thanks dynx, I take my exam in a few days and I am just wating to get spanked. 😱 Anyone else use those Pestana questions? They seem pretty decent for the surgery shelf.
 
what is MKSAP?

Medical Knowledge Self-Assessment Program. Produced by the ACP, basically the prominent faculty in the nation. Make sure you get the one for Students- there is a new one this year, I think MKSAP for Students 3. The real MKSAP is for IM residents, and has like 8 books or something. This book is truly money for IM Shelf.


oh yeah...American College of Physicians
 
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