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not gut shot!
not gut shot!
Youre right I should have made that more clear. What I meant is when people make statements such as the ones Gutshot did without explaining their reasoning, it leaves little room for any motive other than self interest. If they had said it's not fair because ___ I wouldn't have been nitpicking 😀 That sort of applies for your post too, when people say things like "___ isn't fair" without saying why, it just makes me want to roll my eyes because it sounds like whining. So yeah I guess that is cynical LOL.Your first sentence in this quote is overly cynical and not really well justified. Unless I'm missing something.
this is sort of the same deal, without saying "Pediatrians deserve more money because they work longer hours than CT surgeonsHmm, interesting point. I agree they aren't always the same, but I would change fair to right in my previous post, ie "is it right that cardiovascular surgeons make nearly 4x pediatricians" and still stand by that as a pertinent question.
hmm, I would beg to differ. Just so you know I have no vested interest in arguing for this, I'm a poor student and my parents aren't wealthy. Yet I feel very strongly that the American dream of being able to make a profit, pull yourself out of poverty by the bootstraps etc should be preserved and taxing the rich at rates of ~50% (which is close to what some doctors would be taxed under Obama's $250K or less plan) is not what American is about. You may enjoy a story called Harrison Bergeron (?) in a book by Kurt Vonnegut. It describes a dystopia in which people who have extraordinary abilities are made "equal" with mere mortals by inflicting handicaps upon them. In that story the State decided to violently limit human potential.And the problem with your second quote is the word I bolded - most Americans (with American values) would agree that it is fair to tax rich people more than poor people
ok I think you are saying here that it makes Person b sound like a hypocrite. I guess what rubs people the wrong way is the term socialist, but a spade is a spade...progressive taxes are a socialist in nature. Why do people who support socialist programs get so mad when other people describe socialist programs as socialist 😕😕Not quite - let me clarify - sorry for this being garbled.
Person A: I want to be a doctor for the money!
Person B: That is a terrible reason, you will be a terrible doc and you will probably not make it through residency.
Person C: I think Obama's plans are relevant to our future, do you guys want to talk about it?
Person B: Obama is an evil socialist because he will make doctors poor.
And then I think "PersonB kind of wants it both ways".
ok I think you are saying here that it makes Person b sound like a hypocrite. I guess what rubs people the wrong way is the term socialist, but a spade is a spade...progressive taxes are a socialist in nature. Why do people who support socialist programs get so mad when other people describe socialist programs as socialist 😕😕
Thanks for providing an interesting response.
Well, I can add a "because" if that makes you happy. I didn't before because I was really posing the question, and I don't think you've justified why the gap should be that big. so here we go: "I don't understand why CT surgeons should make 4x more than IM or Peds given that they all work hard. Sure, maybe the CT went through a longer training...but that gap makes me think it must influence residency choice and the purist in me wishes people could choose based on other factors" I think anyone who is scared about the socialism type possibilities making specialties less elevated over primary care should stop for a second and think about whether or not they want their kids treated by the docs who had the worst board scores - because while there are some rare altruistic folks, lots of high-scorers won't give up the 4x more salary no matter how much they like the kiddies.That sort of applies for your post too, when people say things like "___ isn't fair" without saying why, it just makes me want to roll my eyes because it sounds like whining.
this is sort of the same deal, without saying "Pediatrians deserve more money because they work longer hours than CT surgeons
2 things -Yet I feel very strongly that the American dream of being able to make a profit, pull yourself out of poverty by the bootstraps etc should be preserved and taxing the rich at rates of ~50% (which is close to what some doctors would be taxed under Obama's $250K or less plan) is not what American is about. ...does that make it right to tax people richer than myself in order to make everyone more equal...no.
The socialist part wasn't really my point - my point was more about the "obama will make us all poor" which, as i stated before, i believe to be scaremongering bull****, and, in this case, hypocritical to boot. But yeah, I think the reason why people react to that word is because of the scary tone that Fox news anchors use to say it and the throw back to red scare tactics. It's not a neutral descriptor.ok I think you are saying here that it makes Person b sound like a hypocrite. I guess what rubs people the wrong way is the term socialist, but a spade is a spade...progressive taxes are a socialist in nature. Why do people who support socialist programs get so mad when other people describe socialist programs as socialist 😕
Waterbird said:It just rubs me a little bit the wrong way when people are all "ZOMG, Obama will make the specialists pooooor." That will not happen.
I don't think you've justified why the gap should be that big. so here we go: "I don't understand why CT surgeons should make 4x more than IM or Peds given that they all work hard. Sure, maybe the CT went through a longer training...but that gap makes me think it must influence residency choice and the purist in me wishes people could choose based on other factors"
most Americans (with American values) would agree that it is fair to tax rich people more than poor people
Is that really all you have to say? Im disappointed.
2 things -
1) There are many American dreams. My immigrant grandma who was a classic bootstrap story felt a lot of pride in paying her taxes because she believed this was a country where everyone could have opportunity due to free education, etc. There is a lot of structural inequality that makes pulling oneself out of poverty hard then and even harder now. If you think anti-progressive taxation will give more room for this dream, then you have more room for more learning about urban poverty. (I'm sorry, I'm trying to stay really constructive but I can't think of a nicer way of saying that).
2) arguing against taxation towards equality is another strawman. I don't know anyone who says, "let's talk the crap out of the rich so everyone takes home the same amount!" All the same, I don't want anyone to live in poverty in this, the richest nation on earth, because poverty disproportionately impacts children.
Again I am just curious...why?It's not a neutral descriptor.
Again instead of actually refuting anything I said you are resorting to lame ad hominem arguments...why bother posting if you are not going to add anything usefulGut Shot said:Yeah, I know you're probably twenty-something and you just finished Atlas Shrugged and all, and you're brimming with all these important things to say, but I have bigger fish to fry.
Well, I can add a "because" if that makes you happy. I didn't before because I was really posing the question, and I don't think you've justified why the gap should be that big. so here we go: "I don't understand why CT surgeons should make 4x more than IM or Peds given that they all work hard. Sure, maybe the CT went through a longer training...but that gap makes me think it must influence residency choice and the purist in me wishes people could choose based on other factors" I think anyone who is scared about the socialism type possibilities making specialties less elevated over primary care should stop for a second and think about whether or not they want their kids treated by the docs who had the worst board scores - because while there are some rare altruistic folks, lots of high-scorers won't give up the 4x more salary no matter how much they like the kiddies.
Again instead of actually refuting anything I said you are resorting to lame ad hominem arguments...why bother posting if you are not going to add anything useful
After five an a half years and 5,600+ posts, I reserve the right to casually stop in, mutter, and stroll right back out.
except that you did that..lets see...three times
batteries said:you sound cranky, I recommend a girlfriend
Maragret Thatcher once said "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
And you sound annoying, I recommend silence.except that you did that..lets see...three times
you sound cranky, I recommend a girlfriend
Discussions about the shortage of doctors (especially primary care) pops up every now and then, and the NYT has published an article today detailing initial approaches that the government is exploring. Thought it would be an interesting and relevant read for some of you:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/health/policy/27care.html?hp
In essence, it'll mean we won't give a **** about patient harrassment and can finally say: "you feel pain in your chest because you smoke too many fckin cigarettes and eat too much, fatty. What? Yeah, go sue me and see if I care."Every prospective medical student should read this article. Medicine is becoming a zero-sum game. Think long and hard before you jump in. In the near future, specialists will make less than auto-mechanics (generalists already are making less).
Divide et impera is the name of the game for Democrats.
Every prospective medical student should read this article. Medicine is becoming a zero-sum game. Think long and hard before you jump in. In the near future, specialists will make less than auto-mechanics (generalists already are making less).
Divide et impera is the name of the game for Democrats.
its going to so bad that you have already quit your fellowship right? 🙄
what Im trying to say is you are talking out of your arss. 🙂
In essence, any opinion is talking out of your ass, right?🙄its going to so bad that you have already quit your fellowship right? 🙄
what Im trying to say is you are talking out of your arss. 🙂
I have invested heavily in my education and at the moment the best thing for me to do is to carry on. This might change during next several years.
For you, the best option is to run and never look back.
Care to elaborate or offer some valuable retort other than "nuhuh, you're not telling the truth! liar liar oants on fire!"?your post is like an LSAT answer that just by looking at it I would be 99.99% sure it is false.
In essence, any opinion is talking out of your ass, right?🙄
The probability of it occuring is there, despite your desires that it won't happen and you'll get that elitist position you so desire.
Pre-meds are so cute sometimes with their stbborn refusal to listen to their peers.
Care to elaborate or offer some valuable retort other than "nuhuh, you're not telling the truth! liar liar oants on fire!"?