Should I hire a lawyer?

[IamnotFreud]

My question as stated above is, should I hire a lawyer?

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[gutonc]

Should I pre-emptively hire a lawyer?

If you want to waste money on a fight you won't win, then yes, go ahead and hire a lawyer.

 

[IamnotFreud]

If you want to waste money on a fight you won't win, then yes, go ahead and hire a lawyer.

Ok, fine. But aren't there certain standards that boards have to uphold before denying you a license?

Recently read a case about a resident who was denied a license in Tx for a DUI I think. Dude sued the board, won, and got license.

I knew I should have worried. 🙁

 

[cabinbuilder]

My question as stated above is, should I hire a lawyer? My license process has been painstaking to say the least, with everything being nitpicked excessively, to the point where the coordinator apologized profusely to me and said that it's ridiculous that it's the board process is so nitpicky. I have been asked to submit certain forms numerous times, every minimal detail gets nitpicked to death.

I have tried to be compliant and provide all the information I can, I have not really said much about how absurd some of the things they have asked are, but needless to say, I am getting a bit tired of this.

I mean I have graduated, I have very good grades, good evals, good evaluation from my old PD, no lawsuis/no criminal record, no probation, no complaints, no criminal history, nothing. I have sent the information a while ago, and it's still nit picked to death. I've already had to wait over a year for this residency, and it would be a disaster if I'm denied a license over something ridiculous. I'm getting concerned, nervous, and frustrated at this point.

Should I pre-emptively hire a lawyer?

I am confused as to why you need a license for a residency? Is it a physician in training license rather than a full? If it's Texas or Oregon they are VERY nitpicky. I had to submit my fingerprints 3 times in Oregon before they accepted them. So what are your red flags? And what is the time frame we are talking about?

 

[IamnotFreud]

I am confused as to why you need a license for a residency? Is it a physician in training license rather than a full? If it's Texas or Oregon they are VERY nitpicky. I had to submit my fingerprints 3 times in Oregon before they accepted them. So what are your red flags? And what is the time frame we are talking about?

I need a training license for residency.

 

[shopsteward]

... I don't really have red flags, just some weird dates here and there but that's all.

I am not sure what they are fishing for. I was even told that "more information" is needed for something, and when I ask what information they need in order for it to be provided, I get very generic answers. It's sad when there simply is no more information to give! And I've had forms that had to be re-done numerous times because of minor technicalities.

There are are least two things which are worrying the people dealing with your training licence application.

The first is the "weird dates". If they are weird, then there is an explanation for why they are weird, and that is what you need to provide. It needs to be the sort of explanation which excludes the possibility that there is anything worrying about the weirdness. This is similar to the question on a job application form which asks you to account for any periods of time not covered by your answers on education and previous employment - what you were doing in that time may not be relevant to your ability to do the job, but your answer demonstrates that you were not e.g. in prison somewhere. You need to provide an explanation which demonstrates that your "weird dates" are not hiding a red flag.

And when you are filling in an official form there is no such thing as a "minor technicality". Everything you say on the form is a major technicality until proved otherwise. Read the form carefully, and fill it in precisely and accurately. If you have had to re-do forms "several times" because of "minor technicalities" that is in itself a potential red flag. Look at it from the bureaucrat's point of view - they now have two or more versions of a form with different information on each version. How do they know which is accurate and why should they trust someone who has signed and submitted a form which is inaccurate? It leaves a bad impression at best.

Do you need a lawyer? Lawyers are usually quite good at filling forms in accurately, so if that is something you have difficulty with, perhaps you do.

 

[IamnotFreud]

What I mean by minor technicalities are things like the scanned form did not scan pristine, or things like that, not information wise. The information is all the same.

 

[samsoniter]

In my experience a simple and polite phone call to one of the clerks in the office of the medical board can go a long way, have you ever tried calling them and asking "what the deal?" In a very non confrontational and classy way of course.....

 

[cabinbuilder]

Ok, the other thing I don't understand is why isn't the RESIDENCY office staff doing this for you? I didn't have to do the paperwork for the training license. They did it all before we arrived. I agree that I nice call can go a long way. Could be some clerical error that get getting rehashed in a purpetual loop, etc.

I had a similar problem with my Alaska license. Took 7 months and resubmissions of the same paperwork 3 times because of new staff who didn't understand time restraints and people who quit.

 

[IamnotFreud]

In my experience a simple and polite phone call to one of the clerks in the office of the medical board can go a long way, have you ever tried calling them and asking "what the deal?" In a very non confrontational and classy way of course.....

Well, I would, but they don't want us to actually call. They say everything has to go through the program. Also, I did ask the program coordinator "what" do they want to know because if they have specific questions, I am happy to address them or have the school do so, but just asking for "better" really is too vague. It's like if someone says, well where were you last night?And I say I was at the movies. We need more info than that. It's like well do you want to know what movie I saw, or who I saw it with, or what time? Because I am happy to explain anything again, but if I don't know what they want I can't really provide it. I even told the coordinator, the info they are requesting was enclosed with the application - and she looked at it and was like you are right, I have no idea what they are talking about. She even told me it was ridiculous that they were making this so difficult. I also pointed to where I personally put an explanation of the exact same thing that my school said.

 

[IamnotFreud]

Ok, the other thing I don't understand is why isn't the RESIDENCY office staff doing this for you? I didn't have to do the paperwork for the training license. They did it all before we arrived. I agree that I nice call can go a long way. Could be some clerical error that get getting rehashed in a purpetual loop, etc.

I had a similar problem with my Alaska license. Took 7 months and resubmissions of the same paperwork 3 times because of new staff who didn't understand time restraints and people who quit.

They are-but the documents we have to submit ourselves. The program submits this on my behalf. Like for example, I had to get transcripts, an evaluation, a form completed by my med school, an application, etc. That needs to be gathered by me. This is for a training license-not a full license.

 

[cabinbuilder]

They are-but the documents we have to submit ourselves. The program submits this on my behalf. Like for example, I had to get transcripts, an evaluation, a form completed by my med school, an application, etc. That needs to be gathered by me. This is for a training license-not a full license.

Can the residency office staff call on your behalf? Since they need it for you to start.

 

[IamnotFreud]

hi cabin builder!

 

[hereiam12]

which state are we talking in here?

 

[whonotwhatnot]

Call the board, worst they can do is hang up. I've applied to my state board with 5 previous missdemeanors that occurred 10 years ago while I was a teen (included weapons, drugs and alcohol) and applied w/ the mentality of honesty is the best policy. CALL THEM UP. Write a personal statement regarding any issues/red flags. Write them an e-mail. Fax them. Show interest in your case regardless of your Program's directions (this is perhaps the only time you shouldn't listen to their advice). No one should want this more than you.