Should I start considering re-application with these stats?

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State: TX

GPA (AMCAS):
cGPA: 3.95
sGPA: 3.85 (TMDSAS: 3.9)

ECs:
Research: 3+ years clinical research; I was working on a project but the grad student that was helping me with this moved away to another school and the professor that he worked for moved on to another concentration. In terms of results, I wasted a year, but I still learned a lot about the process of research, doing data analyses and statistical tests. I was also able to get a couple of posters out of this. I'm now working on a project that we are hoping to publish in early spring (feb/mar). I would be first author on this publication. I won a grant from my school and in the resulting poster presentation, was a finalist.
Shadowing: I also have 200+ hours of shadowing (downside: specialists, not primary care).
Clubs: helped found and am president of a student organization on campus.
Volunteering: have worked at a rape crisis center in Austin for over a year now in both education (going to schools to talk about sexual assault to help prevent it) and on-call (going to the hospital in the middle of the night to be there for the person during the rape kit and police report OR taking crisis calls).
Abroad: I also went on a medical mission trip, which was really about me more than the people, to my dismay (but really, what was I expecting? I'm a pre-med with little actual medical skills, although my Spanish speaking was a plus and because of my work at the rape crisis center, I could help educate the women and, yes, children, because they came into the clinic with symptoms of rape, ugh). Also, I write as a hobby (creative writing).

LoRs:
pretty good, IMO: my PI, director of my major's honors program, my club advisor, the doctors I shadowed and my professor who got me interested in my sexuality/women studies minor.

PS/other essays:
Also solid, I think: my ECs lend themselves to awesome (sometimes depressing) experiences.

MCAT:
I initially took my MCAT, made a 29S. I decided to re-take, especially after making 35+ on practice exams, but I freaked out and made a point lower. I sort of fell into a bit of a depression and applied late.

In-state, it's past pre-match, but I have my only interview in December. Haven't heard back from OOS schools. I am a mixture of fear and low self-esteem. I think my poor performance on my MCAT made me believe that maybe my other achievements weren't all that great. I know now that it was stupid to think like that.

I think I might have to re-apply next year, and so I'm not coasting. I am graduating a semester early with multiple honors. I've already talked to my prior letter-writers (save for the doctor I shadowed): they are willing to write my letters again. They may be better letters too since they know me more. Also, will have my volunteer coordinator at the crisis center write me a letter (didn't get one last time because I didn't think she knew me well enough). A hole in my application is shadowing primary care...will shadow extensively next semester and make that my letter to replace my doctor letter (unless he's willing to re-submit that one, but I'd like to get a new one). So, I have a mix of old LoR and new LoR.

My question...should I re-take my MCAT...but this time, addressing my issues with nervousness and spending more TIME on it (will not have the stress of all of my ECs as much, nor the stress of school since I will have graduated)? Or, is the rest of my application strong enough, to where I can, this time, re-apply EARLY and try for admission? I really kind of want to take the test again (if I have the slightest doubt at the end of the exam, I'll void it). I'll know by March/April where my possibilities are (because it's around that time that schools stop interviewing).

If I end up re-applying, I'm getting mixed responses: some say that medical schools hate it, and others say that it shows persistence. I honestly believe that part of the reason why this cycle has been sucking was because of my late application and MCAT. I can definitely apply early next year, and if asked what I learned in the year that I did not get into medical school, I actually have some stuff to say right now, just because this semester has ripped me a new one and I learned that working harder is not the same as working smarter. I guess age would be on my side too, since I'm <21 right now. If I don't get in this cycle, I would probably start a scribe job back at home, since it's money and while my parents hate the idea of me working, I hate the idea of relying on them for money and not being able to pay for my own car insurance/gas/health bills/personal items.

I guess I'm just asking for general feedback... I don't frequent SDN a bunch, but when I have a question, usually get good responses.

Thanks in advance.
 
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I got the same MCAT score as you the first time I took it, then I took it again to get a lower score just like you. At this point I was also frustrated to see that I had scored lower the second time but I didn't care, I knew that I could do better so I got all the practice tests I could possibly grab a hold of and for the next month I focused solely on the MCAT to get a 33+ just before the app cycle this year. I have 2 interviews so far, 1 from a top 20 state school and the other from an out of state school. Considering that I have a lower GPA than you, I say take it the third time and you should be fine because many schools look at most recent scores anyway.
 
Should I start considering re-application with these stats?
State: TX

GPA (AMCAS):
cGPA: 3.95
sGPA: 3.85 (TMDSAS: 3.9)

ECs:
Research: 3+ years clinical research; I was working on a project but the grad student that was helping me with this moved away to another school and the professor that he worked for moved on to another concentration. In terms of results, I wasted a year, but I still learned a lot about the process of research, doing data analyses and statistical tests. I was also able to get a couple of posters out of this. I'm now working on a project that we are hoping to publish in early spring (feb/mar). I would be first author on this publication. I won a grant from my school and in the resulting poster presentation, was a finalist.
Shadowing: I also have 200+ hours of shadowing (downside: specialists, not primary care).
Clubs: helped found and am president of a student organization on campus.
Volunteering: have worked at a rape crisis center in Austin for over a year now in both education (going to schools to talk about sexual assault to help prevent it) and on-call (going to the hospital in the middle of the night to be there for the person during the rape kit and police report OR taking crisis calls).
Abroad: I also went on a medical mission trip, which was really about me more than the people, to my dismay (but really, what was I expecting? I'm a pre-med with little actual medical skills, although my Spanish speaking was a plus and because of my work at the rape crisis center, I could help educate the women and, yes, children, because they came into the clinic with symptoms of rape, ugh). Also, I write as a hobby (creative writing).

LoRs:
pretty good, IMO: my PI, director of my major's honors program, my club advisor, the doctors I shadowed and my professor who got me interested in my sexuality/women studies minor.

PS/other essays:
Also solid, I think: my ECs lend themselves to awesome (sometimes depressing) experiences.

MCAT:
I initially took my MCAT, made a 29S. I decided to re-take, especially after making 35+ on practice exams, but I freaked out and made a point lower. I sort of fell into a bit of a depression and applied late.

In-state, it's past pre-match, but I have my only interview in December. Haven't heard back from OOS schools. I am a mixture of fear and low self-esteem. I think my poor performance on my MCAT made me believe that maybe my other achievements weren't all that great. I know now that it was stupid to think like that.

I think I might have to re-apply next year, and so I'm not coasting. I am graduating a semester early with multiple honors. I've already talked to my prior letter-writers (save for the doctor I shadowed): they are willing to write my letters again. They may be better letters too since they know me more. Also, will have my volunteer coordinator at the crisis center write me a letter (didn't get one last time because I didn't think she knew me well enough). A hole in my application is shadowing primary care...will shadow extensively next semester and make that my letter to replace my doctor letter (unless he's willing to re-submit that one, but I'd like to get a new one). So, I have a mix of old LoR and new LoR.

My question...should I re-take my MCAT...but this time, addressing my issues with nervousness and spending more TIME on it (will not have the stress of all of my ECs as much, nor the stress of school since I will have graduated)? Or, is the rest of my application strong enough, to where I can, this time, re-apply EARLY and try for admission? I really kind of want to take the test again (if I have the slightest doubt at the end of the exam, I'll void it). I'll know by March/April where my possibilities are (because it's around that time that schools stop interviewing).

If I end up re-applying, I'm getting mixed responses: some say that medical schools hate it, and others say that it shows persistence. I honestly believe that part of the reason why this cycle has been sucking was because of my late application and MCAT. I can definitely apply early next year, and if asked what I learned in the year that I did not get into medical school, I actually have some stuff to say right now, just because this semester has ripped me a new one and I learned that working harder is not the same as working smarter. I guess age would be on my side too, since I'm <21 right now. If I don't get in this cycle, I would probably start a scribe job back at home, since it's money and while my parents hate the idea of me working, I hate the idea of relying on them for money and not being able to pay for my own car insurance/gas/health bills/personal items.

I guess I'm just asking for general feedback... I don't frequent SDN a bunch, but when I have a question, usually get good responses.

Thanks in advance.
I think it's always a good idea to plan ahead to a possible reapplication, and thus always a good idea to continue pertinent ECs that improve your profile.

Not knowing what type of patients you interacted with during your clinical research, I can't comment on the breadth of your overall patient exposure, but if you could get a scribe job after graduating this winter (or, at least before you reapply), I think any holes in your patient experience would be filled in nicely.

I agree that adding some primary care shadowing is a good idea, even if only 8 hours.

It would be nice to see some weekly nonmedical community service until and after you apply, if the school gig isn't fairly frequent. Is there a woman's shelter in town you could give time to (if you'd like to maintain a common theme for your interests)?

You didn't give your MCAT subscores, but regardless, retaking is a good idea, perhaps aiming for an April/May date so you have a report by early June.

All that said, don't give up hope for this cycle. You do have an interview, and your application gestault is pretty good in general.
 
Thanks for the response!

at the crisis center, I not only did education, but went to hospitals in the middle of the night to be there for the victim--gave information, options about the rape kit, options about legal action--if police or hospital personnel were being jerks (...and it happened more than sometimes, much to my dismay), I quietly took them aside and informed them of their insensitive and rude behavior (off topic but it's annoying). It adds up to where I have 200+ active hours and 1000+ 'on call' hours. Have 100+ education hours.

I definitely would like to volunteer more, but research is eating up my life at the moment. I am definitely sending updates to my schools as I graduate in the next month.

I'm actually looking into shadowing a medical examiner...the patients are dead, yes, but you learn so much. And, it sheds light on what happens when people don't get better. Can definitely learn about ways that physicians deal with grief--they're own (from losing a patient) and telling loved ones.

Sorry about my vague entries...my MCAT #1 was pretty evenly distributed...and then #2 was PS 8/VS 9/BS 11. I know I need to move past this, but I'm just frustrated--my sGPA is actually 3.9 (forgot updates from Spring 2011 classes) now...but that score!

Do you think...if I take it a third time and get a higher score (33 - 35 range--couple points lower than what I was getting on AMCAS and PR practice tests), that they'll acknowledge that, despite the prior exams?

Thank you for your help. 🙂
 
I got the same MCAT score as you the first time I took it, then I took it again to get a lower score just like you. At this point I was also frustrated to see that I had scored lower the second time but I didn't care, I knew that I could do better so I got all the practice tests I could possibly grab a hold of and for the next month I focused solely on the MCAT to get a 33+ just before the app cycle this year. I have 2 interviews so far, 1 from a top 20 state school and the other from an out of state school. Considering that I have a lower GPA than you, I say take it the third time and you should be fine because many schools look at most recent scores anyway.

Thank you so much! This comforts me a bit. 🙂
 
Do you think...if I take it a third time and get a higher score (33 - 35 range--couple points lower than what I was getting on AMCAS and PR practice tests), that they'll acknowledge that, despite the prior exams?
Not for this application cycle, but for the next.

And a score like that would open up new possibilities, aka Baylor and UTSW.
 
Not for this application cycle, but for the next.

And a score like that would open up new possibilities, aka Baylor and UTSW.
Yes, definitely. If I do end up re-taking, I would aim for April/May, like you had suggested and depending on if I have any waitlists. I just a bit concerned about the possibility of re-taking it, and suddenly getting an acceptance (my friend was about to reapply, and ended up getting into a medical school around the beginning of June...but she didn't have to re-take her MCAT)...although the pessimist in me thinks that that would not happen to me...she had a mid-thirties MCAT score.

Another question, if you don't mind: would it be bad, having some of the same recommendation letters? I suppose they would be re-written...some of them are new, but I'm aiming to add two new ones to the mix. Also, would it be bad to have the same personal statement/additional essays? I will definitely open myself up to the prompt and see if I can write something better, but I feel like if I do end up re-applying, it won't be because of my essays or LoRs, but rather because of my MCAT score and late application...

Thank you for your help.
 
I don't have much to add, but one of my friends had his only interview in December and got in. Definitely plan for the worst, but don't count yourself out just yet. Good luck 👍

Edit: Retake and make sure you get a 30+ if you do have to reapply.
 
1) would it be bad, having some of the same recommendation letters? I suppose they would be re-written...some of them are new, but I'm aiming to add two new ones to the mix.

2) Also, would it be bad to have the same personal statement/additional essays? I will definitely open myself up to the prompt and see if I can write something better, but I feel like if I do end up re-applying, it won't be because of my essays or LoRs, but rather because of my MCAT score and late application.
1) If the recommendation dates are only a year old, I wouldn't worry about getting them redated. If any are two years old, then dry to have the author redate and reprint them.

2) Sometimes schools compare them from year to year, and applicants have been dissed (verbally criticized at the interview) for not putting more effort into the second go-round. At the least, tweak the first paragraph of your PS and essays.
 
I don't have much to add, but one of my friends had his only interview in December and got in. Definitely plan for the worst, but don't count yourself out just yet. Good luck 👍

Edit: Retake and make sure you get a 30+ if you do have to reapply.

Thank you; I appreciate it. 🙂

Re: MCAT: Hell yea. I'm fully utilizing all of my books and re-activating my online PR account and will definitely kick ass. I don't think I had confidence in my own knowledge during my re-take, so I became shaken with some of the trickier questions. This application process, while it kind of depressed me, made me even more determined.
 
1) If the recommendation dates are only a year old, I wouldn't worry about getting them redated. If any are two years old, then dry to have the author redate and reprint them.

2) Sometimes schools compare them from year to year, and applicants have been dissed (verbally criticized at the interview) for not putting more effort into the second go-round. At the least, tweak the first paragraph of your PS and essays.

Thank you for the insight. I'll see how December goes, and begin planning re-application, just in case, and run my plans by my adviser and see what she suggests. I hope she will not think less of me because of my late application and the fact that I'm considering re-application. If anything, this cycle has made me more resilient.
 
Hi, Catalystik,

I just wanted to tell you that from the time of my post, I got a couple more interviews, including one at UTSW. I don't know how, with my score, but it gives me a bit more hope for this cycle. I just wanted to come back to this thread and thank you for your information.
 
Between the date of that post and now, I just wanted to say that I got two more interviews, including one from UTSW. Not sure how, but the interview confirmation website does not lie. It gives me a bit more hope for this cycle, and I just wanted to thank you again for your help. 🙂
 
Hi, Catalystik,

I just wanted to tell you that from the time of my post, I got a couple more interviews, including one at UTSW. I don't know how, with my score, but it gives me a bit more hope for this cycle. I just wanted to come back to this thread and thank you for your information.
Awesome! And thanks for letting us know. Which proves once again that the better your backup plan is, the less likely you are to need it. And that ECs can trump stats. Well done.
 
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