Should I transfer to UC Berkeley?

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I am a sophomore at Chapman University in Orange, CA. Its a private school. I like it here. I just got accepted to UC Berkeley and I was wondering as far as applying to med school, does it matter where you go to undergrad? I've been doing really good at Chapman, but I know UCs are pretty competitive. Any advice?
 
UC Berkeley won't give you as much advantage as HYPSM, so going there would only risk your GPA by surrounding yourself among the most competitive students in the country. It wouldn't matter as long as your school is not a CC.
 
love cal! But I don't recommend it if you're doing premed.

Edit: Qualify my statement to say: At Cal, you must be extra proactive as you seek research opportunities and get to know professors, and be almost aggressive in your study habits. Not like these qualities do not apply at other schools -- they surely do. But as you know, at Cal you have just that many more students who want exactly what you want, do exactly what you do.
 
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From what I hear, a lot of pre-meds' dreams get smashed in a hurry at cal. It's a great school, but don't transfer there because you think it will give you an advantage. I say if you are happy where you are, stay there.
 
Haa, don't pay too much attention to the negative comments. If you have been accepted to UC Berk., I can tell you have a lot of potential. So if you have Chutzpah (pronounced "hotspa") just go for it and do your best to stand in the crowd. In the end, Adcom can clearly tell that a UC Berk. student with a 3.7 gpa is a better candidate than a 3.9 student from some other school

So good luck on your journey and always do your best. :xf::luck:😀
 
Haa, don't pay too much attention to the negative comments. If you have been accepted to UC Berk., I can tell you have a lot of potential. So if you have Chutzpah (pronounced "hotspa") just go for it and do your best to stand in the crowd. In the end, Adcom can clearly tell that a UC Berk. student with a 3.7 gpa is a better candidate than a 3.9 student from some other school

So good luck on your journey and always do your best. :xf::luck:😀

Yea, but a 3.9 from school X most certainly looks better than a 3.4 from cal, which happens to many bright students every year there.. I would not say people are being negative, more like realistic.
 
Don't come to Berkeley. I live here and you literally have to wrestle volunteer opportunities from all the other over-achievers. In fact, many volunteer positions require resumes and references, even reading to little kids require references. What kind of BS is that?

Though if it's your dream school, do come because UCB is amazing.
 
My Kaplan instructor went to UC Berkeley, got a 35+ score on the MCAT, but couldn't get into medical school because of her GPA. Believe me, she knew her stuff, it's just that she wasn't as gunnerish as her peers.
 
id avoid UCB like the plague if i was premed. Sure if you get a 3.7+ at UCB that carries a lot of weight because people know what that means. But most people tend to do worse there and get crushed when they could have gone to ANY other UC and likely done much better. If you want to transfer to a UC go to UCI or UCLA or something. Anything but UCB for the sake of your future career.
 
I think the science classes will taking some adjusting to. Many, if not all, the professors are research big-wigs, with their own--dare I say arrogant?--belief in what's important. So they will not follow the textbook. I don't know how much money I wasted on buying those textbooks, only the hear the professor belittle the textbook and say he won't be using it, at all.

Instead, the professors will only use their own slides, which often center around the newest research, many of which is their own. And rarely are tests based on memorization, rather focusing on conceptualization and application. Which, in actuality, might be a good thing for students who will eventually take the MCAT. But I don't think there is any evidence that Berkeley students do better.

Of course, I've only attended Berkeley, and I'm sure many schools are as described. Just sharing my experience.
 
I think the science classes will taking some adjusting to. Many, if not all, the professors are research big-wigs, with their own--dare I say arrogant?--belief in what's important. So they will not follow the textbook. I don't know how much money I wasted on buying those textbooks, only the hear the professor belittle the textbook and say he won't be using it, at all.

Instead, the professors will only use their own slides, which often center around the newest research, many of which is their own. And rarely are tests based on memorization, rather focusing on conceptualization and application. Which, in actuality, might be a good thing for students who will eventually take the MCAT. But I don't think there is any evidence that Berkeley students do better.

Of course, I've only attended Berkeley, and I'm sure many schools are as described. Just sharing my experience.
This is the case for most of the established UCs id assume since they all are major research powerhouses. I went to UCI and what you just described was how many of my science classes were. Never ever bought the book really except for ochem.
 
I will try not to be biased here (see SN and avatar pic).

I'm not gonna lie, Berkeley gave me a hard time as a pre-med. It was hard work and sacrifice and all that great stuff. If you are the type of person that needs a lot of support and guidance, then Cal might not be the place for you. At times I wished I was at other schools (especially when Cal football was loosing lol).

BUT most of this came with my pre-req courses. I found that things got much better once I got into my upper divs. There were less crazy pre-meds to deal with, and the classes seemed more manageable. Have you taken most of the pre-reqs already? As long as you avoid these "weeder" classes at Cal, you should be fine.

All things being done, I think it was worth it. Now I'm not trying to belittle other undergraduate institutions (because I think your school is a small fraction of whether or not you will be successful) but on the California medical school interview trail Cal, UCLA, and Stanford were the most represented schools at the interviews. This might be a self selection and large class size type thing, but I think working hard and doing well at these schools can give you a slight leg up. But 95% of it is gonna come from you.
 
I am a sophomore at Chapman University in Orange, CA. Its a private school. I like it here. I just got accepted to UC Berkeley and I was wondering as far as applying to med school, does it matter where you go to undergrad? I've been doing really good at Chapman, but I know UCs are pretty competitive. Any advice?

You might be surprised how much going to private school can make you a different applicant. How many other ppl are applying to med school from Chapman compared to UC Berk? Definitely not as many so you have less competition in terms of the pre-med pack at Chapman. Med schools are not shy about accepted students from private schools. Especially in So-Cal, Chapman is a highly respected institution. If you are doing well and like it at Chapman, why try to fix something that isn't broken?
 
If you are doing well and like it at Chapman, why try to fix something that isn't broken?

This is actually what I wanted to really say. Aside from cal being very difficult, blah, blah, blah, I would say go there if you were unhappy at your current school. But since you aren't, why mess up a good thing?
 
You'll be like salmon swimming upstream all the time. As you probably know, the smartest of the CA high school students go to Berkeley compared to the other UCs. The big thing that stands out about Berkeley is the extremely high % of Asian-Americans who go there; a lot of whom are pre-med, science-oriented, and fit the academic stereotypes. A lot of Berkeley students could do the job at Ivies, but their student body is not as uniformly talented as the HYPS schools.

Overall, Berkeley is a lot like CalTech and UChicago, harder than the bumps they get from their reputation. I don't think UCLA will be that much easier, as some have suggested. They attract a comparable, if slightly less accomplished, student body than Berkeley.

I've heard really great things about UC Davis from nearly all their alumni, including my ex-gf.
 
I would transfer to Cal because I rather get knocked down in undergrad than make it to med school and get knocked down there with a higher debt at the end. Just my $0.02.
 
why did you apply if you didn't want to go? you applied for a reason... to study at the world's premier public university.

if you were worried about it being too hard, you shouldn't have applied to begin with. they wouldn't have accepted you if they didn't think you could do well.
 
Does anyone have any experience with the upper division classes at Berkeley? Do people there really try to sabotage your grade?
 
Hey guys this is actually the guy who has to make the decision, it was initially my friend who inquired for me because I don't have an account. To provide a few more facts, I currently have a 3.91 GPA at Chapman (probably going up this semester as well) and many research opportunities. However I applied to transfer to Berkeley for a number of reasons. Probably the most important is the money; Chapman is not cheap. I was a slacker in high school and only started working my tail off in college so I didn't get great scholarships. Secondly, Berkeley has a great name. I honestly feel that I will excel there and I won't see any sort of drop in my GPA. Like I said before, I'm currently at the top of all my classes here and I'm not even putting in the maximal amount of effort. Sometimes I even feel that the tests here are too easy and don't justify the subject material. Finally I hear if you are top 5% or so in the graduating class at cal, your chances at going to med school right out of senior year are pretty good.
 
I have never experienced people "sabotaging" me in any class. Cutthroat competition is a myth. The only person who can sabotage your grade is you, by not studying hard enough.

Go to Cal -- get a world class education for a public school price. Even with tuition hikes, it's dirt cheap.
 
why did you apply if you didn't want to go? you applied for a reason... to study at the world's premier public university.

if you were worried about it being too hard, you shouldn't have applied to begin with. they wouldn't have accepted you if they didn't think you could do well.

on that basis...they would be wrong about the majority of applicants that they admit

don't go to Berkeley.
 
Wow did any of you people with the negative comments actually went to Berkeley?

Okay I 😍 Berkeley. Sure it was tough but as long as you study you should be fine. I actually hear this myth of students messing each other up a lot and it has NEVER happened while I went there. I also taught OCHEM for 2 semesters and everyone helps each other with their experiments. It is essentially pointless to sabotage because you get graded on your lab report and not the results itself.

If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen, but if you can, you'll find Berkeley to be challenging but prepare you for the toughness that is medical school.

If you do really well here, >3.7 then you'll have a great shot at the UC medical schools. Even if you have a 3.4-3.6 you'll probably get in to a pretty decent one.

I agree with someone else above that along the interviewing trail, I have only met UC Berkeley students out of the ones from CA, and of course Standford students.

Look I believe the #1 cause of students doing poorly here is because they slack off, procrastinate, and over commit. If you study every day, do you assignments, go to office hours, and keep your work load manageable then you will be fine.

Someone else commented on the research opportunities being hard to get which is not true. I don't have any friend who couldn't find a research position. On top of that, UCSF, Bayor, Genetech are all within 20 mins of driving so you can actually find a lab position that PAYS.

Someone else commented on the lack of volunteering opportunites. Are you kidding me? Highland Hospital in Oakland has the best volunteering opporutnities in the Bay Area. Here are some of things I've gotten to do there:

OB/GYN program:

1. Observe c-sections, tubal ligations, other ob surgeries
2. Observe and aid in deliveries
3. Feed newborns
4. Prepare fetal demises for parental viewing

ED program:

1. Perform 12 lead EKGs on patients
2. Observe level 1 and 2 traumas
3. Attend resident lectures and follow residents on rounds

Surgery Program: (Watch a day of surgery every month)

I've seen by now:

1. Whipple
2. Bilateral Mandible Repair
3. Nephrectomy
4. Craniotomy (yes I watched 8 hours of a brain surgery)

These are just to name a few...but that other poster obviously did not do his/her research on volunteering....
 
Wow did any of you people with the negative comments actually went to Berkeley?

Okay I 😍 Berkeley. Sure it was tough but as long as you study you should be fine. I actually hear this myth of students messing each other up a lot and it has NEVER happened while I went there. I also taught OCHEM for 2 semesters and everyone helps each other with their experiments. It is essentially pointless to sabotage because you get graded on your lab report and not the results itself.

If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen, but if you can, you'll find Berkeley to be challenging but prepare you for the toughness that is medical school.

If you do really well here, >3.7 then you'll have a great shot at the UC medical schools. Even if you have a 3.4-3.6 you'll probably get in to a pretty decent one.

I agree with someone else above that along the interviewing trail, I have only met UC Berkeley students out of the ones from CA, and of course Standford students.

Look I believe the #1 cause of students doing poorly here is because they slack off, procrastinate, and over commit. If you study every day, do you assignments, go to office hours, and keep your work load manageable then you will be fine.

Someone else commented on the research opportunities being hard to get which is not true. I don't have any friend who couldn't find a research position. On top of that, UCSF, Bayor, Genetech are all within 20 mins of driving so you can actually find a lab position that PAYS.

Someone else commented on the lack of volunteering opportunites. Are you kidding me? Highland Hospital in Oakland has the best volunteering opporutnities in the Bay Area. Here are some of things I've gotten to do there:

OB/GYN program:

1. Observe c-sections, tubal ligations, other ob surgeries
2. Observe and aid in deliveries
3. Feed newborns
4. Prepare fetal demises for parental viewing

ED program:

1. Perform 12 lead EKGs on patients
2. Observe level 1 and 2 traumas
3. Attend resident lectures and follow residents on rounds

Surgery Program: (Watch a day of surgery every month)

I've seen by now:

1. Whipple
2. Bilateral Mandible Repair
3. Nephrectomy
4. Craniotomy (yes I watched 8 hours of a brain surgery)

These are just to name a few...but that other poster obviously did not do his/her research on volunteering....

I have to choose between UC Berkeley and UCLA. You my friend have made my decision so much easier 👍
 
I recently graduated from Berkeley.. came from a competitive public high school, so trust me I know how to work hard. Let me make a few comments about the above post by Ilvcurst.

Research positions? I know MANY people who spend a year or more to find a VOLUNTEER research position in the area. I know I did. Paid positions? I know a lot of people in the pre-med community here and don't know a single one getting paid for research.

As for volunteering, you may have to be on a waitlist for months before getting into a volunteer program at a hospital. There are so many pre-meds here that it is just that competitive. There is the Berkeley Free Clinic and Oakland Children's Hospital, but it's really competitive to get a spot there. Highland Hospital? I hear you have to work 100 hours at the gift shop before you get to move to something more interesting like the ED.

And don't even get me started about advising. Oh wait, what advising? We have none. Unless you count the douche at the career center who tells everyone they have nothing special about them and they won't be competitive for med school. It's hard to get accurate info about what courses to take, timeline for apps, things like that.

When people say you're just a number, it's completely true. Yes, you can go to office hours, but chances are you won't be the only person there, so it's hard to get to know a professor one-on-one. It's a fairly unanimous opinion that UC Berkeley students consistently have poor rec letters (even stated by the UCSF Med School dean of admissions). Most people I know end up getting recs from GSI's or written by GSI's and co-signed by the professor. Don't count on getting the classes you want or graduating on time because the major advisors are beezies when it comes to letting people into classes. They don't take pity on you no matter how badly you need a class, and to top it off they have no shame in being rude or treating you without courtesy, no matter how respectfully you address them.

Transfer students in particular have a hard time adjusting to Berkeley... I'm sorry but I have spent the past couple years wishing I went to a small private school instead. The majority of pre-med students here wish they didn't come here, and when I talk to med students who came from small private schools, they were much happier with their experience. Stick with the private school, get a good GPA, and apply. I've been told by several admissions committee directors that a 3.6 from Berkeley isn't valued any higher than a 3.6 from a Cal State or community college.

Message me if you have any questions.-
 
Wow corpus luteum! I take it you're not on the UC Berkeley recruitment team or a student host for people on tours. After reading your post, I'm glad I didn't consider going there.
 
to address what corpus luteum said...

I am graduating Cal and heading to a top 10-15 med school (by UNSWR) in the fall.

Berkeley is for go-getters. It's true that getting positions at places like the Free Clinic are competitive. That's life though -- when have you ever been handed something? There are many opportunities to find clinical exposure -- you just have to look, and be willing to work for it. For example, I know a good number of students who volunteer at hospitals in San Francisco especially at UCSF affiliated places -- so you have to make a BART commute. Not the closest location, but who can complain when you have the chance to work at another world class institution?

Berkeley is also well known for its commitment to community service. There are hundreds of clubs/organizations on campus. It is so easy to get involved with a service group. You also have a chance to find your niche in something you're passionate about. Or you could create your own club.

Research positions are plenty but again you have to look. Some departments like molecular and cell biology are pretty competitive to get research in. However, there are many other departments, and other places you can do research including Lawrence Berkeley National Labs, UCSF, Children's Hospital in Oakland.

Yes, office hours can be crowded. But if you go early and consistently, the professor will get to know you. Like I said, Cal is for go-getters. I will admit that I got a letter from a grad student co-signed by the prof. I don't think it significantly hurt my application.

You were spot on about the advising though. Advising is terrible and that pre-med advisor doesn't know jack. SDN is a pretty good advisor, and you can ask other people who were successful at getting into med school.

Don't come to Cal if you expect to be babied. But if you study hard, work hard, are pro-active/a go-getter, then you can do well, and in my opinion, grow a lot more than if someone was holding your hand the whole time.
 
i love Cal. best school in the world. opportunities are truly abound (as long as you are willing to look for them). berkeley does a good job in forcing people to be pro-active... which is important for med school anyway.

the sports is definitely nothing to ignore either. some of the best days of my life were at football gamedays.

roll on you bears!
 
i love Cal. best school in the world. opportunities are truly abound (as long as you are willing to look for them). berkeley does a good job in forcing people to be pro-active... which is important for med school anyway.

the sports is definitely nothing to ignore either. some of the best days of my life were at football gamedays.

roll on you bears!

Would that be during gameday against the Trojans or the Ducks? Or you must be referring to the multiple times the Bears blew their #1 ranking or multiple Rose Bowl bids. As an outside follower of Pac 10 football, I'd have to say the Bears are the most overhyped & underperforming team during Tedford's entire tenure....

Your alumni spirit is to be admired, but this post is way over the top. Best school in the world?
 
Isn't Berkeley the weed capital of the West Coast, with the possible exception of Eugene, Oregon? What are the possibilities of a naive young premed being led astray and transformed into a weed fiend while sauntering innocently down Telegraph Avenue. And then everything tumbles out of control, instead of studying OChem, the poor kid just reaches for his pipe and.....well, you know the rest of the story. And suddenly Loma Linda is no longer an option.
 
Would that be during gameday against the Trojans or the Ducks? Or you must be referring to the multiple times the Bears blew their #1 ranking or multiple Rose Bowl bids. As an outside follower of Pac 10 football, I'd have to say the Bears are the most overhyped & underperforming team during Tedford's entire tenure....

Your alumni spirit is to be admired, but this post is way over the top. Best school in the world?

You are right. I enjoyed watching the Ducks undress Cal last year. It was a veritable massacre.
 
Would that be during gameday against the Trojans or the Ducks? Or you must be referring to the multiple times the Bears blew their #1 ranking or multiple Rose Bowl bids. As an outside follower of Pac 10 football, I'd have to say the Bears are the most overhyped & underperforming team during Tedford's entire tenure....

Your alumni spirit is to be admired, but this post is way over the top. Best school in the world?

lol. you cut deep docelh!!!

it doesn't matter! USC is going down! Oregon lost Masoli to idiocy! We're getting one of the best recruitment classes that I can remember in Bear history!! save for more admittedly possible letdowns against arizona or oregon state, we should come out on top!!

and yes you heard! best school in the world! or at the very least top 3!!! lol
 
Would that be during gameday against the Trojans or the Ducks? Or you must be referring to the multiple times the Bears blew their #1 ranking or multiple Rose Bowl bids. As an outside follower of Pac 10 football, I'd have to say the Bears are the most overhyped & underperforming team during Tedford's entire tenure....

Your alumni spirit is to be admired, but this post is way over the top. Best school in the world?
Ouch.... oh well, at least we got the axe 🙂
 
lol. you cut deep docelh!!!

it doesn't matter! USC is going down! Oregon lost Masoli to idiocy! We're getting one of the best recruitment classes that I can remember in Bear history!! save for more admittedly possible letdowns against arizona or oregon state, we should come out on top!!

and yes you heard! best school in the world! or at the very least top 3!!! lol

With ya all the way GoBeers! Best school in the world! Also agree my fondest times have been related to football. Ignore the haters lol.
 
With ya all the way GoBeers! Best school in the world! Also agree my fondest times have been related to football. Ignore the haters lol.

🙄 at you kal kids

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🙄 at you kal kids

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Stanford has the best quarterback in the Pac 10 this year. That mother has an NFL calibre arm, based on the throws he made against Oregon last year. Stanford will win the battle of the Bay Area again.
 
Stanford has the best quarterback in the Pac 10 this year. That mother has an NFL calibre arm, based on the throws he made against Oregon last year. Stanford will win the battle of the Bay Area again.

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UCB grad student familiar with the pre-med community here. Ilvcurst and corpus luteum both have valid points, and from my experience represent two common types of students I've seen here. If you're truly outgoing, can handle being beaten down a little, and know what you want, then Berkeley is an amazing place. Everything you could dream of (academically) is here: awesome professors, world class research, tons of opportunities, and awesome place to live, and the best public school name in the world. It's all at your fingertips, but they'll make you work for it. Unfortunately, a lot of people are unwilling to put in the work required, and end up bitter like corpus seems to be. If you think there's a decent chance that you'll fall into that camp, then avoid Cal. If you're thick skinned, outgoing, and have a good work ethic, come here, and you won't regret it.

That being said, I do have a few comments about Cal's undergrad culture. From my perspective, undergrads here (at least in their first few years) tend to have incredibly inefficient study habits and get into this "well, I slept less than you did" one-upmanship ****. Don't do that. Put in the time you need to learn the material and don't worry about what anybody else did. Ask professors and GSIs how they suggest studying that material, then listen to their advice. Go to office hours: GSIs are here to help. I'd say >50% of the GSIs are really interested in teaching and are willing to help out, so don't be discouraged if the first GSI you talk to is a dud. Teaching is a requirement for us, so not all of us are excited about it--but there are a lot of us that are.

Advising here apparently sucks. I've had a huge number of students talk to me about going into medicine that have no clue what that actually entails. If you don't seek out career, major, or coursework advice, you won't get it. Be proactive, and you'll be fine.

Grading here is hard. I've been a GSI for chem 3A (intro ochem) for three semesters, and have only seen one perfect score on a test. The class average on exams is usually somewhere around ~55%. Get used to the near certainty that you won't be graduating with a 4.0. However, adcoms also know how tough the grading is here, and if you get a ~3.5-3.6+, you'll have a lot of options. Outside of CA, the vast majority of med students I've meet from CA came from UCB. The reputation will help you.

If you are seriously considering coming here, realize that currently you're a big fish in a little pond. While there's a small chance I may be wrong, it's very unlikely that you'll be the top of your class here. Don't let that break you. Berkeley is excellent because the students are excellent. You'll have peers that are just as smart and hard working as you are. Then you'll have grad students (~20k of us) that are smart, hard working and have significantly more experience than you. Then there are professors that are leaders of their respective fields, many of whom are downright brilliant. It's humbling and intimidating, but that's what makes Cal what it is. I would put the top 10% of students here against the top 5% of students at any other institution in the world anyday.
 
Ilvcurst and corpus luteum both have valid points, and from my experience represent two common types of students I've seen here. If you're truly outgoing, can handle being beaten down a little, and know what you want, then Berkeley is an amazing place. Everything you could dream of (academically) is here: awesome professors, world class research, tons of opportunities, and awesome place to live, and the best public school name in the world. It's all at your fingertips, but they'll make you work for it. Unfortunately, a lot of people are unwilling to put in the work required, and end up bitter like corpus seems to be. If you think there's a decent chance that you'll fall into that camp, then avoid Cal. If you're thick skinned, outgoing, and have a good work ethic, come here, and you won't regret it.

I don't take offense to this, because it's true, there are people here who are unwilling to put in the work required. However, there are also people who are outgoing, do put in a lot of work, and yet have only mediocre results. I believe I'm one of those people.. I am in the top ~10% of my college, and I have worked my way into numerous positions, research and clinical, yet I'm not one of the most competitive med school applicants because I didn't have the luxury of good advising, a GPA cushion, or professors who know me just by coming to class. I'm just being realistic and trying to warn people that it's not an easy road here. You have to work hard to get those letters of rec and honestly you have to work hard for everything here. Nothing gets handed to you- and in some ways I don't regret coming here because now I know what it's like having to fight hard for everything. I don't like the cut-throat atmosphere, and having it be so hard to find people who are willing to collaborate. But hey, sometimes it's like that in the real world. Just trying to warn people because these are things I wish I had been aware of when I chose to come to Berkeley.
 
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