Should one consider DO if their stats are?

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I think you have a good shot at MD school. Apply early and broadly. Apply to osteopath school too if you are unwilling to take the chance of having to reapply/strengthen your application for a new round.
 
Totally depends on other things like URM status and state residency and PS and LOR's, etc.

If you're a Latino from Texas then you're set.

If you're an Asian from California then strongly consider applying DO if you don't want to reapply (consider retaking MCAT if you reapply).
 
Those stats seem fine to me for MD. MCAT could be a point or two higher I spose. Not considering the top 1/3 of schools that drive up averages, those stats are standard.
 
NickNaylor said:
If you're serious about becoming a physician, you should consider all options that would enable you to get there.
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Respectfully disagree. If the only medical school I got into was in kazakhstan, for example, I would go to law school instead. Everyone sets the bar at a different level of what they find acceptable/unacceptable means to an end and this should be respected.
 
Decicco said:
Respectfully disagree. If the only medical school I got into was in kazakhstan, for example, I would go to law school instead. Everyone sets the bar at a different level of what they find acceptable/unacceptable means to an end and this should be respected.
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I think we can agree that DO isn't the equivalent of medical school in Kazakhstan.
 
Decicco said:
Respectfully disagree. If the only medical school I got into was in kazakhstan, for example, I would go to law school instead. Everyone sets the bar at a different level of what they find acceptable/unacceptable means to an end and this should be respected.
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+1

I have far more respect for people who look into Osteopathy, don't like it, and choose not to apply there even thought their stats literally scream DO school (ie - gujuDoc) over people who apply to DO school as a backup and then get cold feet in late spring/early summer when all they have is a DO acceptance and post a thread like "Should I go to DO school or reapply?"
 
NickNaylor said:
I think we can agree that DO isn't the equivalent of medical school in Kazakhstan.
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Unless you want to do research in potassium because all other countries have inferior potassium.
 
dbeast said:
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Unless you want to do research in potassium because all other countries have inferior potassium.
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I'm so sad I was beaten to a Borat joke. 🙁

Anyway, to answer the OP's question, you are around the median for plenty of MD matriculants, but applying to DO schools wouldn't be a bad idea by any stretch.
 
Surely some people do want to go to DO schools...?
 
what about a 3.8 and a 30 (mcat three times)....i applied to 25+ MD schools....should i consider DO as well?
 
wlee43 said:
around 3.65 gpa, 30 mcat, with decent to strong EC? (Just being hypothetical here)
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Your chance of acceptance at an MD school is about 79%
lovedocta07 said:
what about a 3.8 and a 30 (mcat three times)....i applied to 25+ MD schools....should i consider DO as well?
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Your MD chance is about 72%
 
lovedocta07 said:
what about a 3.8 and a 30 (mcat three times)....i applied to 25+ MD schools....should i consider DO as well?
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Okay.. I see these questions a lot so:

Would you rather re-apply next year to get into an MD than go to DO if you got no MD acceptances?

If Yes, don't apply DO.

Simple!

(If you are saying do you have a good shot at an MD program, then, yes, I think you do)
 
Decicco said:
I think you have a good shot at MD school. Apply early and broadly. Apply to osteopath school too if you are unwilling to take the chance of having to reapply/strengthen your application for a new round.
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This thread would not have been complete without you calling DO schools "osteopath schools," as in every other MD vs DO school thread you post in!

/thread
 
flatearth22 said:
+1

I have far more respect for people who look into Osteopathy, don't like it, and choose not to apply there even thought their stats literally scream DO school (ie - gujuDoc) over people who apply to DO school as a backup and then get cold feet in late spring/early summer when all they have is a DO acceptance and post a thread like "Should I go to DO school or reapply?"
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I mean, I don't really have respect for either of these people because the second one doesn't realize how good they've got it, and the first one is making distinctions that are far too dismissive. In any case.. if you're set on it properly enough, doctor > not doctor (minus Caribbean or Borat Medical School)
 
NickNaylor said:
Replace "every" with "most" and if you were to ask applicants before they matriculated anywhere, yes, I think most would.
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^probably just jelly he can't charge for randomly putting his hands on patients and massaging them.
 
flatearth22 said:
^probably just jelly he can't charge for randomly putting his hands on patients and massaging them.
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Dude come on dont be a dick OMM is totally backed by real science and countless studies have proved it to be superior to all other treatment modalities for every human disease.
 
OP, another thing you risk if applying to DO with stats well above their averages is MONEY. You have to pay for an entire other application to be processed, more secondary fees, interview costs, and huge, non-refundable seat deposits. Some can be over $1000. 😱 All money wasted if you get into any other school you'd rather attend (which you have a good chance to). So, if you do apply to any, I would limit them and try to schedule interviews later in the season.
 
willen101383 said:
Dude come on dont be a dick OMM is totally backed by real science and countless studies have proved it to be superior to all other treatment modalities for every human disease.
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"By combining all available medical procedures with OMT, D.O.s offer their patients the most comprehensive care available in medicine today."

"D.O.s practice a “whole person” approach to medicine. Instead of just treating specific symptoms or illnesses, they regard your body as integrated whole."

"Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine emphasize preparing students to be primary care physicians."

http://www.dmu.edu/do/what-is-osteopathic-medicine

I don't understand why most pre-DOs completely dismiss or deny these statements about osteopathic medical education when it is precisely what the schools themselves are selling. 😕
 
startswithb said:
"By combining all available medical procedures with OMT, D.O.s offer their patients the most comprehensive care available in medicine today."

"D.O.s practice a "whole person" approach to medicine. Instead of just treating specific symptoms or illnesses, they regard your body as integrated whole."

"Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine emphasize preparing students to be primary care physicians."

http://www.dmu.edu/do/what-is-osteopathic-medicine

I don't understand why most pre-DOs completely dismiss or deny these statements about osteopathic medical education when it is precisely what the schools themselves are selling. 😕
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haha I could go on ALL night about this. Its an embarrassment thing. Most premeds havent really accomplished much in their lives outside of academia and want to feel important and "high society,"....so any "diss" made toward DO schools gets completely jumped all over...even if that "diss" has roots in reality. Rewind this thread one year ago and I was one of these pre DOs harping on how great OMM is...and how DOs treat the whole person etc. What I learned in my m1 year is that OMM is largely a waste of time, it will inconvenience the living ish out of you when you are trying to study for your REAL classes, and that there is entirely no reason to have two separate degrees anymore since 95% of DO grads wont use OMM in practice...and a certain subset of us DO students believe 100% that OMM is no more effective than the treatments we refer patients to PTs for. DO schools are selling a complete fallacy and false distinction and its pathetic..but we all know it will keep going on and on and on because the AOA wont get off its high horse and admit there is no difference anymore. It aint 1875, were not prescribing toxic medications (well...not as toxic haha)...and OMM just doesnt have a role anymore.

/rant
 
willen101383 said:
haha I could go on ALL night about this. Its an embarrassment thing. Most premeds havent really accomplished much in their lives outside of academia and want to feel important and "high society,"....so any "diss" made toward DO schools gets completely jumped all over...even if that "diss" has roots in reality. Rewind this thread one year ago and I was one of these pre DOs harping on how great OMM is...and how DOs treat the whole person etc. What I learned in my m1 year is that OMM is largely a waste of time, it will inconvenience the living ish out of you when you are trying to study for your REAL classes, and that there is entirely no reason to have two separate degrees anymore since 95% of DO grads wont use OMM in practice...and a certain subset of us DO students believe 100% that OMM is no more effective than the treatments we refer patients to PTs for. DO schools are selling a complete fallacy and false distinction and its pathetic..but we all know it will keep going on and on and on because the AOA wont get off its high horse and admit there is no difference anymore. It aint 1875, were not prescribing toxic medications (well...not as toxic haha)...and OMM just doesnt have a role anymore.

/rant
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That really sucks. And honestly, that, plus many DO students taking the USMLE and trying to get into an ACGME residency program anyway kind of devalues the "DO difference" even more. My cousin practices OMM on my grandma at holidays but then just posted on FB that she just took the USMLE. It seems that the new breed of DOs are definitely at odds with the establishment and it will be interesting to see what happens in the future.
 
startswithb said:
That really sucks. And honestly, that, plus many DO students taking the USMLE and trying to get into an ACGME residency program anyway kind of devalues the "DO difference" even more. My cousin practices OMM on my grandma at holidays but then just posted on FB that she just took the USMLE. It seems that the new breed of DOs are definitely at odds with the establishment and it will be interesting to see what happens in the future.
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A DO student that posted said that roughly 5% of his/her class was hard core DO sticking with the old time party line and that these people were the ones that would take leadership roles in Osteopathy. So a possible merger of MD and DO seems pretty hard.
 
flatearth22 said:
A DO student that posted said that roughly 5% of his/her class was hard core DO sticking with the old time party line and that these people were the ones that would take leadership roles in Osteopathy. So a possible merger of MD and DO seems pretty hard.
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Wait, wasn't that willen who posted that?
 
flatearth22 said:
A DO student that posted said that roughly 5% of his/her class was hard core DO sticking with the old time party line and that these people were the ones that would take leadership roles in Osteopathy. So a possible merger of MD and DO seems pretty hard.
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Exactly. I would say its the same at my school and I go to one of the most progressive DO schools. They are the ones going to all the extra OMM review sessions, getting all nasty when I get outspoken about the lack of difference in the degrees, and that I dont want to learn OMM anymore. I posted something on my facebook wall about being sick of learning a treatment modality I would never use...and this douche actually posts "maybe you shoudlnt have gone to a DO school then." Yeah its like that.
 
startswithb said:
That really sucks. And honestly, that, plus many DO students taking the USMLE and trying to get into an ACGME residency program anyway kind of devalues the "DO difference" even more. My cousin practices OMM on my grandma at holidays but then just posted on FB that she just took the USMLE. It seems that the new breed of DOs are definitely at odds with the establishment and it will be interesting to see what happens in the future.
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Hell, I am 100 percent taking the USMLE. Not that all the DO EM residencies suck...because PCOM actually has a few good programs at really high volume lvl 1 trauma centers....but I want to keep my options open obviously.
 
willen101383 said:
Exactly. I would say its the same at my school and I go to one of the most progressive DO schools. They are the ones going to all the extra OMM review sessions, getting all nasty when I get outspoken about the lack of difference in the degrees, and that I dont want to learn OMM anymore. I posted something on my facebook wall about being sick of learning a treatment modality I would never use...and this douche actually posts "maybe you shoudlnt have gone to a DO school then." Yeah its like that.
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Ouch. I'm assuming he doesn't know that 95% of DO's don't even use OMM on a consistent basis? The one DO I shadowed was a really bright GI doc who point blank told me that OMM was a joke and he went to DO school because he didn't get into a US MD school and didn't want to go all the way to the Caribbean but rather commute from home to a DO school (west coast). He says he's forgotten all but the basic OMM but would write me a "pro-DO" letter..hah.
 
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