Should these doctors be fired ???

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/patient-records-operation-smartphone-shocked-5941458

I think it was unprofessional but im kinda on both sides. I don't like the secretly recorded conversation, but still this is kinda crazy .. Sorry if this is old news.

 

[deleted480308]

it's like the 5th thread on this topic

 

[Hospitalized]

"tuberculosis in the penis"

GOT EEM

 

[whitemagic]

Does anyone know what actually happened to these doctors?

 

[Spinach Dip]

If nothing else it should serve as a wake up call to the fact that there are smart phones, smart watches, cameras, and audio recorders, everywhere in this day.

 

[Softballgal96]

The anasthesiologist was fined $500,000 and will most likely never practice again. She was super out of line, but what shocked me more was the backlash against all doctors in the article comments. People often hold doctors to extremely high standards and most people blame doctors for rising healthcare costs - when in reality it is the insurance companies that hurt both doctors and patients.

 

[Womb Raider]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand now every surgery consent form will be one line longer.

 

[j4pac]

I think that there is a good chance that the patient was a shyster. "Accidently" recording the physicians during his procedure after apparently giving them an earful, only to go on and sew. I'm pretty sure that voice recording someone without their permission is illegal.

But with that said...the physician was clearly out of line. This is going to work as a wake up call to everyone who has said something inappropriate in the OR. Surgeons are likely pissing themselves right now because I would imagine that just about every one of them have said something that they wouldn't want to be recorded.

 

[Conflagration]

I think that there is a good chance that the patient was a shyster. "Accidently" recording the physicians during his procedure after apparently giving them an earful, only to go on and sew. I'm pretty sure that voice recording someone without their permission is illegal.

But with that said...the physician was clearly out of line. This is going to work as a wake up call to everyone who has said something inappropriate in the OR. Surgeons are likely pissing themselves right now because I would imagine that just about every one of them have said something that they wouldn't want to be recorded.

Virginia only needs one party out of a conversation to consent to recording. So, it was within the patient's legal rights.

It's a jerk thing to do, yes- but if they handled it well and didn't say anything bad about him, there would have been no issue. The fact that they decided to discuss him while he was sedated is pretty uncool.

 

[j4pac]

Virginia only needs one party out of a conversation to consent to recording. So, it was within the patient's legal rights.

It's a jerk thing to do, yes- but if they handled it well and didn't say anything bad about him, there would have been no issue. The fact that they decided to discuss him while he was sedated is pretty uncool.

OK...I didn't know that. For the record...even if the patient was being a shyster (and he very well could have been)...the doc was still in the wrong and is now paying the piper.

 

[NeuResurgens]

The anasthesiologist was fined $500,000 and will most likely never practice again. She was super out of line, but what shocked me more was the backlash against all doctors in the article comments. People often hold doctors to extremely high standards and most people blame doctors for rising healthcare costs - when in reality it is the insurance companies that hurt both doctors and patients.

I find it funny how many people think paying doctors less would suddenly make healthcare more affordable. Physician pay is one of the smallest fractions of healthcare spending (somewhere around 8% of healthcare costs). People want the simplest explanations to complex issues and that's just not the way our global society works anymore.

Someone in an article on this topic said something to this effect: if we cut physician pay in half, we'd only cut healthcare costs by about 5-10%, but would now be faced with a wholly demoralized profession on which we rely for our health and our lives.

The root of the issue is the structure for payment. No other field relies on insurance for payment of routine items and services - we don't consult our auto or homeowner's insurance to pay for cars and houses. It makes it harder for marker forces to drive down costs and keep them within reach of an average person.

 

[Spinach Dip]

The fact that they decided to discuss him while he was sedated is pretty uncool.

AND to his face.

It's not like they were badmouthing him over drinks at the bar after their shift was over. They did it while he was actually in the room (and doped up).

 

[Dr. Death]

Last year I was shadowing an ortho and he and almost everyone else in the room was talking crap on almost every patient. Ironically they mentioned another incident like this that happened a few years ago where a recording was made and dr.s got in trouble. I thought this was kind of the norm in ORs

 

[medic86]

Last year I was shadowing an ortho and he and almost everyone else in the room was talking crap on almost every patient. Ironically they mentioned another incident like this that happened a few years ago where a recording was made and dr.s got in trouble. I thought this was kind of the norm in ORs

There's regular crap talking, then there's this.

Even I felt the **** was inappropriate, and I worked in an ED for some years.

 

[cloudmurder1]

Chide me if you want, but this patient was just looking for a reason to sue. I think this punishment was excessive, and there should only be punishment for advising the assistant to lie. The patient did not receive any significant direct harm (unless I'm missing something)

This is the problem with some people in society today; they're too pussified to try and make anything of themselves, so they'll just screw someone else over and exploit them.

But most importantly, this event should serve as a wake-up call to us all, and urge us to be careful in our (future) medical careers.

If I was doped up and surgeons made jokes about me that I never found out about, I honestly would not care unless some significant harm was done to me by the procedure.

 

[625233]

Last year I was shadowing an ortho and he and almost everyone else in the room was talking crap on almost every patient. Ironically they mentioned another incident like this that happened a few years ago where a recording was made and dr.s got in trouble. I thought this was kind of the norm in ORs

Same, I was shadowing a gastroenterologist(man) and the anesthesiologist(women) present was talking crap about most of the patients. She was blabbering fowl stuff the entire day. She'd start ranting about how she doesn't get paid enough compared to the president of a hospital who only holds a masters in public health, and on and on.

 

[el_duderino]

If I was doped up and surgeons made jokes about me that I never found out about, I honestly would not care unless some significant harm was done to me by the procedure.

How could you care if you never found out? This guy *did* find out. So would you care if you did find out?

 

[ramifications]

Most of the times when I hear about a patient and what's up with them, I usually worry about it and see if they can get better. I don't know why these surgeons would bad mouth like this, don't they know that the reason people hold doctors to such a high regard is because they are able to share with them many personal issues that they probably wouldn't share with even their family? To make fun of that is kind of what I'd expect out of the people that don't have the long training of empathy like doctors do. If this is what goes on in the OR, it is a terrible thing. I'd be okay if you found something nasty and had to remove it from the patient and you expelled that feeling but your last sentence would be like "I'm glad we were able to get him/her to a better health status".

 

[cloudmurder1]

How could you care if you never found out? This guy *did* find out. So would you care if you did find out?

Not sure if it was clear, but I wouldn't stage a method to find out and let the doctors do their damn job, regardless of whether that takes joking around to make the presumably strenuous work more bearable.

edit: Also when I was shadowing a urologist (who does prostate-related clinical services as well), they would make lighthearted jokes about pateints when they were talking amongst only themselves, such as referring to one patient with testicular itching as "balls"

 

[cloudmurder1]

Most of the times when I hear about a patient and what's up with them, I usually worry about it and see if they can get better. I don't know why these surgeons would bad mouth like this, don't they know that the reason people hold doctors to such a high regard is because they are able to share with them many personal issues that they probably wouldn't share with even their family? To make fun of that is kind of what I'd expect out of the people that don't have the long training of empathy like doctors do. If this is what goes on in the OR, it is a terrible thing. I'd be okay if you found something nasty and had to remove it from the patient and you expelled that feeling but your last sentence would be like "I'm glad we were able to get him/her to a better health status".

Joking around among people who are present to underunderstand the joke and who have access to the information isn't the same as disseminating private information.

People, I don't think, highly esteem doctors anymore, but they don't have any problem holding them to lofty standards that they themselves may (have) occasionally comprise(d) once in their own careers.

 

[ramifications]

oh yes, Doctors do get the brunt of all blames in healthcare, I won't say no to that; apparantely every profession besides the doctor's has this attitude towards them. But this was slightly disturbing to watch. Usually, people wait before the patient left to privately discuss any inappropriate behaviour that might have wrought any bad feelings, but they didn't even do that. They were literally speaking at his face; who knew if anesthesia was really keeping the patient in REM. Perhaps the patient might have gone into anesthesia awareness and may have been listening to the conversation. I just thought it was rude no matter whether the patient was a gold digger and knowingly provoked the hostility from the doctors.

 

[Psai]

oh yes, Doctors do get the brunt of all blames in healthcare, I won't say no to that; apparantely every profession besides the doctor's has this attitude towards them. But this was slightly disturbing to watch. Usually, people wait before the patient left to privately discuss any inappropriate behaviour that might have wrought any bad feelings, but they didn't even do that. They were literally speaking at his face; who knew if anesthesia was really keeping the patient in REM. Perhaps the patient might have gone into anesthesia awareness and may have been listening to the conversation. I just thought it was rude no matter whether the patient was a gold digger and knowingly provoked the hostility from the doctors.

Because that's not how anesthesia works

 

[ramifications]

Because that's not how anesthesia works

at the end of the day we are talking about ethics, not the practice of some specialty. I'm just suggesting a rare reason to follow ethics but you should follow it nevertheless, wherever you are.