Should URMs be eliminated on amcas application?

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Should URMs be emininated on amcas application?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 36.5%

  • No

    Votes: 33 63.5%
  • Total voters
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You can be proud of your race if you're white...personally, I'm not, but that's less because I am barred from it and more because I see nothing to be proud of.
Not proud of being American either, nor of being female, nor of having blue eyes.

I mean, seriously, why would I be proud of being born to the parents I was born to? Did I pick them or something?
 
reluctantoptimism said:
Yes, they apply to everyone but it is far from objective. For example, 28g of crack is a mandatory 5 year sentence while it takes about 500g of powder cocaine to receive the same sentence; is this because one is more dangerous than another? The answer to the aforementioned question is a resounding NO! It just so happens that crack cocaine is more prevalent in black communities. The laws aren't always objective and even when they are, punishments are often subjective in that race dictates punishment.
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Simple solution: stay away from drugs. That's the best way to stick it to the white man, no? Give me a freaking break would you please. I've never seen such absurd drivel in my life. Well, maybe the whole "URM's need to attend Top-25's because of the resources those schools have!", that might top your post.
 
Flashfan said:
The ONLY way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it, stop including it in admissions to programs, stop giving scholarships specifically to URM, etc.

No, the only way to stop racism is to make it unacceptable for racist actions to happen. Do you really think my girlfriend is followed around in a store by a shopkeeper because there are scholarships for Latinos? That my friend is constantly asked for weed connections even though he was raised in a suburb? That it is assumed that I am wealthy even though I am the one with a Pell grant?
The argument against affirmative actions makes me wonder if it comes from delusional suburbanites.
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Half the time racism cases these days are from those looking for t*ts on an ant.
 
The Buff OP said:
Put those racist people on blast. Derm, you shared do have a lot of time in your hands, I see you all over the place here.
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@The Buff OP, Except you're not putting anyone on blast and categorizing them as "racist" makes you look like a fool. And yes, there's a lot of stupid to disinfect on both sides of the debate.
 
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mehc012 said:
You can be proud of your race if you're white...personally, I'm not, but that's less because I am barred from it and more because I see nothing to be proud of.
Not proud of being American either, nor of being female, nor of having blue eyes.

I mean, seriously, why would I be proud of being born to the parents I was born to? Did I pick them or something?
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I see what people are coming from when they say they feel like they can't be proud of being white, but it certainly isn't true.

I've heard minorities joke about white people 'not having a culture' and while that's ridiculous - everyone has a culture even if it is not limited or exclusive to their ethnicity, birthplace, etc. - it is certainly a fact that white, american, and especially suburban subcultures are experiencing a crisis of authenticity and have been since the 70s. What happened was that organizations of people and their life trajectories became so homogenized and the formation of identity became so closely tied to material goods and wealth that it became difficult if not discouraging for anyone to try to create an identity for themselves or somehow provide themselves with meaning. Fight Club does a pretty good job of illustrating how this internal conflict plays out.
 
bakedbeans18 said:
For anyone who suspects a URM applicant was accepted on terms less than merit, take solace in the fact that there will be no more handouts thereafter. As far as residency goes, you either have the numbers or you don't. If your URM constituents are as unskilled/incompetent as their numbers may lead you to believe, they won't get the top residencies or the competitive specialties. If they were capable, despite their MCAT/GPA, then they will earn those residency spots on their merit, and the discussion can just end there. Sound good people? Great.
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Correct. At the residency application level, on the average, URM status, will be a slight star, but will not make up for Step failures, poor grades, etc.
 
DermViser said:
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DermViser, I'm proud to be an American.

Do I have a flag over my porch? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I shake the hand of every man and woman I meet that is serving or has served in the military? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I drive an American automobile? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I crack a tear everytime I hear The National Anthem? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I hate it when people belittle American Pride? You're God Damned Right I Do.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/0...n-protesters-flying-upside-down-american-flag
 
Narmerguy said:
Long ago when I first joined SDN I used to be worked up and concerned about these threads. The arguments suggest a misguided notion that somehow there is an objective measure of which applicants are "more deserving" of a medical school seat than another. This is not the case. Medical schools are free to choose the applicants they believe will craft the best medical school class and that will best serve the mission of the school. This includes several non-objective markers such as extracurricular interests (should someone get a boost simply because they like to paint acrylics on Sundays?), background story (should someone get a boost because they've lived 7 years in Tibet?), and supposed interests (preferring people who profess an interest in underserved communities).

Being URM, like any of these other attributes, brings with it a unique experience and perspective on healthcare and social community. Some schools may value this experience and think that they want it as a part of their class or to help serve their school mission. Other schools may not. It's up to them. To foam at the mouth over racial minorities and ignore all the other boosts applicants get is either illogical or simply malicious.
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Hey Narmerguy, I guess that 43 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, and good Ec's didn't help you get in, but your ethnicity. Some people don't get it that regardless of race we need to have good scores to apply to medical school.
 
Being proud of whatever seemingly arbitrary social construction you were lucky enough to be born into is incredibly silly. It is like being proud of being tall or having red hair (in fairness, I doubt anyone with red hair is particularly pleased).
 
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DermViser said:
Correct. At the residency application level, on the average, URM status, will be a slight star, but will not make up for Step failures, poor grades, etc.
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oops you were talking about residency nvm
 
bakedbeans18 said:
DermViser, I'm proud to be an American.

Do I have a flag over my porch? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I shake the hand of every man and woman I meet that is serving or has served in the military? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I drive an American automobile? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I crack a tear everytime I hear The National Anthem? You're God Damned Right I Do.
Do I hate it when people belittle American Pride? You're God Damned Right I Do.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/0...n-protesters-flying-upside-down-american-flag
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Yeah, that kind of weirded me out too. Apparently people don't realize how countries like Cuba and North Korea are like to their citizens - it's downright scary.
 
The Buff OP said:
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Hey Narmerguy, I guess that 43 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, and good Ec's didn't help you get in, but your ethnicity. Some people don't get it that regardless of race we need to have good scores to apply to medical school.
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Not true. The data released by the AAMC directly contradicts the assertion you're making here.
 
DermViser said:
Yeah, that kind of weirded me out too. Apparently people don't realize how countries like Cuba and North Korea are like to their citizens - it's downright scary.
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You can be happy to be an American and not be proud of it. I'm very happy to be a Canadian, but I can hardly be proud of being a Canadian - I did nothing to accomplish the feat. I was born in Canada. I'm sure my parents are very proud of being Canadian. They moved here from another country in their early 20s with little to no money and no education.
 
Lucca said:
I see what people are coming from when they say they feel like they can't be proud of being white, but it certainly isn't true.

I've heard minorities joke about white people 'not having a culture' and while that's ridiculous - everyone has a culture even if it is not limited or exclusive to their ethnicity, birthplace, etc. - it is certainly a fact that white, american, and especially suburban subcultures are experiencing a crisis of authenticity and have been since the 70s. What happened was that organizations of people and their life trajectories became so homogenized and the formation of identity became so closely tied to material goods and wealth that it became difficult if not discouraging for anyone to try to create an identity for themselves or somehow provide themselves with meaning. Fight Club does a pretty good job of illustrating how this internal conflict plays out.
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They may not be proud of their skin color, but they're proud of their culture and heritage. Everyone should be.
 
bakedbeans18 said:
Simple solution: stay away from drugs. That's the best way to stick it to the white man, no? Give me a freaking break would you please. I've never seen such absurd drivel in my life. Well, maybe the whole "URM's need to attend Top-25's because of the resources those schools have!", that might top your post.
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I didn't say drugs were acceptable and obviously you are not equipped to debate. The "solution" you give is an utter fallacy. Following your logic, we should just ignore institutionalized inequalities and bury our heads in the sand.
 
DermViser said:
They may not be proud of their skin color, but they're proud of their culture and heritage. Everyone should be.
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I agree, I am immensely proud of where I came from and that's the only thing my father ever asked of me when I went off to college: "No matter what you do, don't forget where you came from."
 
Muffinho said:
You can be happy to be an American and not be proud of it. I'm very happy to be a Canadian, but I can hardly be proud of being a Canadian - I did nothing to accomplish the feat. I was born in Canada. I'm sure my parents are very proud of being Canadian. They moved here from another country in their early 20s with little to no money and no education.
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reluctantoptimism said:
I didn't say drugs were acceptable and obviously you are not equipped to debate. The "solution" you give is an utter fallacy. Following your logic, we should just ignore institutionalized inequalities and bury our heads in the sand.
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That's why I'm becoming a doctor, not a lawyer, son.
 
Lucca said:
Do you think on the biglaw forums they say something the likes of "You can't debate, I feel bad for your clients."
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I feel like the prevailing sentiment on SDN is "Your sentiments and values don't align with mine, I feel bad for your patients"
 
bakedbeans18 said:
I feel like the prevailing sentiment on SDN is "Your sentiments and values don't align with mine, I feel bad for your patients"
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It's basically the Godwin's Law of SDN. If any debate rages on long enough, someone will eventually be accused of being a terrible future physician.
 
There is a big difference between disagreeing between someone and attacking someone. You crossed the line.
 
reluctantoptimism said:
Yes, but the majority of white people (whether they admit it or not) do benefit from the actions of their ancestors. If America is truly equal why don't we integrate the means of acquiring wealth as opposed to integrating superficial things (i.e. movies, schools, theaters etc)?
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Everyone benefits from the actions of their ancestors. It's likely that at some point we all owe our lives to ancestral rape. That doesn't change anything at all. Your second argument here is an okay one, but you're ignoring your fallacious first one (illustrated by the comic).
 
Common guys, be the bigger man. There is no need to attack a person on this forum, public or private. There is also no need to repost his attack to a forum THAT DOESN'T CARE. We're all just here to debate this stupid thread. We don't need this crap getting in the way of our own crap arguements
 
Espadaleader said:
There is a big difference between disagreeing between someone and attacking someone. You crossed the line.
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I'm fairly certain it is a violation of TOS to make a private message available for public viewing.
 
The Buff OP said:
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Hey Narmerguy, I guess that 43 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, and good Ec's didn't help you get in, but your ethnicity. Some people don't get it that regardless of race we need to have good scores to apply to medical school.
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You know perfectly well someone who has a 43 and a 3.9 and good ECs doesn't need AA. Stop trying to use an exception to justify the policy based on the average. The problem with AA - you inadvertently pointed out, everyone else has NO WAY of knowing whether the candidate was a high MCAT/high GPA candidate or not.
 
Amba said:
I'm pretty sure that posting contents of PMs is against SDN's TOS.

Edit: BakedBeans beat me to that
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Hey @Amba, didn't you have like....spectacular stats and a bunch of publications as well? There is no such thing as URM advantage, so did you also get into Duke, Columbia, Penn, Harvard, Yale?
 
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