Silly Question: #43 in Top 50 Program?

[McGillGrad]

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I see that a hospital that I am interested in doing my residency is #43 for cardiology in US News and World Reports. Silly, but is #43 still highly competetive for that program oris #43 more relaxed?

 

[InductionAgent]

I see that a hospital that I am interested in doing my residency is #43 for cardiology in US News and World Reports. Silly, but is #43 still highly competetive for that program oris #43 more relaxed?

#43 is more competitive than #44 and more relaxed than #42

 

[McGillGrad]

#43 is more competitive than #44 and more relaxed than #42

At least you can count.

 

[dchristismi]

Does it really matter? And how did they come up with the ranking? There's a good chance that it has nothing at all to do with the training, and instead is that new thing where they look at the percentage of patients who got pneumonia shots or ASA when they came in with chest pain.

Forget this ranking thing. The bigger question is "will I be happy training there." Even if it's the #1 program, you could still be miserable there.

Danielle

 

[McGillGrad]

Your post is valid, but the fact remains that I am interested in ranked programs because I plan on perusing a fellowship and if you want to walk that path, you must follow the protocol.

Happiness is all fine and dandy, but what is really important is that you do not hate the program. Luckily, totally hating a program is much rarer than finding a place that makes you happy.

Does it really matter? And how did they come up with the ranking? There's a good chance that it has nothing at all to do with the training, and instead is that new thing where they look at the percentage of patients who got pneumonia shots or ASA when they came in with chest pain.

Forget this ranking thing. The bigger question is "will I be happy training there." Even if it's the #1 program, you could still be miserable there.

Danielle

 

[madcadaver]

Your post is valid, but the fact remains that I am interested in ranked programs because I plan on perusing a fellowship and if you want to walk that path, you must follow the protocol.

Happiness is all fine and dandy, but what is really important is that you do not hate the program. Luckily, totally hating a program is much rarer than finding a place that makes you happy.

Sorry, the cutoff for fellowships is #37. #43 would be a "protocol" violation.

 

[McGillGrad]

Sorry, the cutoff for fellowships is #37. #43 would be a "protocol" violation.

You almost made sense there. Nice try, though. I appreciate the effort.

Now please step aside and let the adults try, k, honey?

 

[madcadaver]

Perhaps the reason you are not getting any satisfactory replies is that your question is really unclear.

Or maybe you just haven't realized that most people who base decisions on US News and World Report get flamed pretty heavily because it's a really stupid thing to do.

 

[McGillGrad]

Perhaps the reason you are not getting any satisfactory replies is that your question is really unclear.

I asked a simple question about rankings. If you cannot wrap your mind around a question that asks about the relative competitiveness of ranked programs then that is your issue.

If no one answers the question, then no one knows the answer. It is as simple as that.

Then there are people like you who try to be cute, but fall a bit short. At least if you are going to flame, make it worth reading.

Or maybe you just haven't realized that most people who base decisions on US News and World Report get flamed pretty heavily because it's a really stupid thing to do.

Have you even read the report and their methodology or are you parroting what the 'cool kids' have been saying? If you would take the time to look at the criteria for ranking, you would see that they use important indicators such as a representative survey of board-certified physicians, level of technology available, mortality rate and patient services.

Although it is not the whole picture (considering that this is a patient-oriented ranking), I am interested in learning more about them.

 

[fedor]

Please clarify: Are you planning on applying to that hospital for IM with the intention of eventually doing a cards fellowship?

Or are you planning on applying there for cards with the intention of further training down the road?

US News ranking is for patients and not residents. Also it has cards/ct surgery in the same ranking much like it does for neuro/ns which is pretty useless as they have Mayo ranked #2 for neuro/ns and Mayo is certainly not close to be #2 for NS.

 

[McGillGrad]

Please clarify: Are you planning on applying to that hospital for IM with the intention of eventually doing a cards fellowship?

As stated in my first post, it is for residency.

As you know, your residency is important when being considered for fellowships. Therefore, I was interested in a solid residency program.

US News ranking is for patients and not residents.

If you would have read my last post, you would have seen that I already posted this information.

Also it has cards/ct surgery in the same ranking much like it does for neuro/ns which is pretty useless as they have Mayo ranked #2 for neuro/ns and Mayo is certainly not close to be #2 for NS.

Thank you for the information. This is the type of info that is helpful.

 

[fedor]

You're being unnecessarily confrontational. Your question could have been worded much better and it's no surprise you are getting flamed for it. Just saying #43 will not provide other forum members with enough information to tell you anything about the program.

Here is the answer to the question you meant to ask.

#43 according to the US News Hospital rankings for cards/cardio surgery is Shands at the Univ of Florida at Gainsville. While a #43 is certainly good, you would be much better off going to #44 Univ of Chicago for Internal Medicine if you want to maximize your chances of getting a cards fellowship. That's why this ranking is of no value to you.

My advice is go to a research heavy school regardless of what the ranking is. #20 is the Univ of Pennsylvania and I guarantee you that Penn IM residents have little difficulty finding card fellowships. But if you're not happy at that location, you won't do well, and thus won't match. There are plenty of malignant programs out there which have good reputations but yet the residents suffer. If you do well, you can get a cards fellowship coming from even a community program.

If you absolutely need a ranking of some sort, repost this question in the IM forum asking "Which IM programs have typically placed a large number of residents into prestigious card fellowships?"

 

[Mman]

I think the most basic piece of info in this thread is that rankings of residency programs do not exist. There are generally tiers of programs that people in the field can mostly agree on, but US News and whoever else does not rank quality of resident education. If you want to know what IM residencies get the most respect from fellowship directors, I suggest you contact a bunch of fellowship directors and ask them what programs have provided the best fellows.

 

[McGillGrad]

You're being unnecessarily confrontational. Your question could have been worded much better and it's no surprise you are getting flamed for it. Just saying #43 will not provide other forum members with enough information to tell you anything about the program.

You are being unnecessarily dense.

You still do not grasp the question. This is a clear case of the principle of parsimony. You are 'unnecessarily' complicating a simple question.

I simply asked whether all 50 of the top ranked programs are competitive (irrelevant of who ranked them).

It was a silly question because I know that there are thousands of medical students that graduate every year, so 'known' programs will obviously be more competitive than the less known programs.

 

[McGillGrad]

I think the most basic piece of info in this thread is that rankings of residency programs do not exist. There are generally tiers of programs that people in the field can mostly agree on, but US News and whoever else does not rank quality of resident education. If you want to know what IM residencies get the most respect from fellowship directors, I suggest you contact a bunch of fellowship directors and ask them what programs have provided the best fellows.

Thank you for the great reply.

I appreciate the intelligent and mature post.

 

[fedor]

You are being unnecessarily dense.

You still do not grasp the question. This is a clear case of the principle of parsimony. You are 'unnecessarily' complicating a simple question.

I simply asked whether all 50 of the top ranked programs are competitive (irrelevant of who ranked them).

It was a silly question because I know that there are thousands of medical students that graduate every year, so 'known' programs will obviously be more competitive than the less known programs.

You obviously are not a very intelligent individual. If you wanted to ask whether all the "top 50" programs according to US News ranking of hospitals were competitive enough to possibly land you a cards fellowship, that is exactly what you should have asked. On the other hand we're subjected to your idiotic questions. You still don't understand even the basics do you? Maybe you should take your question to the pre-med forum where your level of reading comprehension and knowledge about the health profession is more the norm.

 

[McGillGrad]

Looks like I touched a nerve, sweetie.

I assumed most people who are supposed to be somewhat intelligent would either ask for clarification or figure it out.

You have your own category, baby.

You obviously are not a very intelligent individual. If you wanted to ask whether all the "top 50" programs according to US News ranking of hospitals were competitive enough to possibly land you a cards fellowship, that is exactly what you should have asked. On the other hand we're subjected to your diotic questions. You still don't understand even the basics do you? Maybe you should take your question to the pre-med forum where your level of reading comprehension and knowledge about the health profession is more the norm.

 

[fedor]

Looks like I touched a nerve, sweetie.

I assumed most people who are supposed to be somewhat intelligent would either ask for clarification or figure it out.

You have your own category, baby.

Yes, you're right. I'm quite defensive about my intelligence. Not all of us are fortunate enough to be Caribbean grads gunning for that "#43 ranked" IM spot.

 

[McGillGrad]

Shining up that old turd, eh?

I love it when people think they know things after a little search.

Must make you feel great, but sorry, not a Caribbean grad. Wouldn't that been great, though? Damn, I wish it were true for your shattered ego, too. Honestly 😀

Yes, you're right. I'm quite defensive about my intelligence. Not all of us are fortunate enough to be Caribbean grads gunning for that "#43 ranked" IM spot.