Simulation Labs - Of Any Use?

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So at every school I have interviewed they go on and on about their simulators and how awesome they are. They have very ornate labs dedicated just to the sims. Can any CURRENT students comment on their usefulness? Do you actually learn a lot from these things?
 
So at every school I have interviewed they go on and on about their simulators and how awesome they are. They have very ornate labs dedicated just to the sims. Can any CURRENT students comment on their usefulness? Do you actually learn a lot from these things?
I've heard the answer is a big fat no. Most people are telling me they are just annoying but I'm not a current student, I'd love to hear from one too 🙂.
 
I really think it's up to the person and your attitude coming in, much like OMM. If you do a code simulation on the dummy, it *might* help you when the real thing hits and just going through the motion before is better than no experience whatsoever. I'm not a student yet, but have worked on these dummies in my current career. I enjoyed it and it has helped me with practice. They are in no way replacement for standardized patients, but helps you familiarize with equipment and protocols.
 
Sim labs are way overated. I was stoked to do this part coming in but the truth is nothing replaces true experience and you'll get that 3/4 year. Ya they can be fun but they won't make or break your education
 
I think simulators for running codes is useful. You need to do them somewhat frequently for them be useful. My school did them infrequently, so I didn't think they were that great at the time. However, as an intern, we did simulators on a weekly basis, and it was helpful.
 
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We had a couple of sim labs at my school and looking back, I can't think of anything that was remotely helpful.

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Simulations done to right are fantastic learning experiences. Unfortunately it takes a willing learner and a quality, experienced similationist to set up appropriate scenarios and (most importantly) quality debriefs.

So my answer to your question is - it depends.. I've watched critical lessons happen in sims that could have only occurred there, but I've also seen simulations that were nothing more than tabletop discussions that incorporated $50k+ robots.

I encourage you to go in with an open mind and attempt to immerse yourself as much as possible and try to treat the sim as a real patient encounter. If you do your part and the simulationist does their part, I think you'll enjoy it.
 
Simulations done to right are fantastic learning experiences. Unfortunately it takes a willing learner and a quality, experienced similationist to set up appropriate scenarios and (most importantly) quality debriefs.

So my answer to your question is - it depends.. I've watched critical lessons happen in sims that could have only occurred there, but I've also seen simulations that were nothing more than tabletop discussions that incorporated $50k+ robots.

I encourage you to go in with an open mind and attempt to immerse yourself as much as possible and try to treat the sim as a real patient encounter. If you do your part and the simulationist does their part, I think you'll enjoy it.

Agreed!

I've worked at several different shops where we incorporated the simulation. If done well, it can enhance the education. If done poorly, it is a waste of time.

We had one of students remark that the repetition on the critical care/ACLS stuff was too much....until he had an experience on a commercial aircraft where he rendered aid. He then stated that we should get more of the simulation training. From his experience, he said he automatically knew what to do during this medical emergency because it had been drilled into him.

Realize, my slant on this is related to prehospital and Emergency Medicine, so simulation is critical to reinforce knowledge and develop "muscle memory".

As FireMedic stated, keep a good attitude. You can learn from every experience and you only get out of it what you put in.



As I like to tell my trainees:

Train as you would like to do,
and you will do as you train.



Thanks.


Wook
 
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Simulation lets you do stuff that you couldn't otherwise do. In no way does it replace the real thing (and experience/practice with the real thing)

Codes (and ACLS certification) in sim labs are no where close to the real thing but it's the closest you can get. Repetition, and a couple real experience under your belt - and if you are suddenly the code leader at a real code, you won't freeze - you'll know automatically what to do (hopefully).

Central lines simulation are good at knowing the steps and techniques - it is no where close to the real thing (eg., no beating carotid and moving patients for jugular, no morbidly obese simulation for subclavian or femoral, etc) - but at least you can practice identifying landmarks, and if you have ultrasound, practice needle placement in real time with ultrasound

The laproscopic 3D simulation is good at improving hand-eye coordination

As a fellow, the bronchoscopy simulator was helpful in getting used to the bronchoscope and how to drive it down various airways - as well as learning the various airways which is very important to a bronchoscopist. I could also practice invasive procedures (ie transbronchial biopsy, endobronchial biopsy, EBUS and identification of lymph nodes and TBNA, etc) without worry about the "patient" and excessive bleeding, pneumothorax, hypoxia, excessive endoscopy staff or anesthesia staff time, etc

I can see them useful for fellows, residents, and even attendings who want to learn new tricks and techniques. For 1st and 2nd year students - not so much (practicing IV placement on a simulated arm before a real person would be helpful, practicing ABG on a simulated forearm instead of a real patient could be useful). I can see it useful for 3rd year and beyond.

But nothing beats the real thing. But to get the technique down and knowing landmarks before your first real patient encounter - it is useful

Just my opinion
 
So at every school I have interviewed they go on and on about their simulators and how awesome they are. They have very ornate labs dedicated just to the sims. Can any CURRENT students comment on their usefulness? Do you actually learn a lot from these things?
Completely. ****ing. Useless.

They're good for clinicians down the line though, particularly for ACLS training so you know how to approach different situations in a code. Most med student bots aren't set up for that, they're just for BS normal patient encounters.
 
I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but I have personally had to train in a simulation lab for 2 weeks before I could start my work at the hospital (happens to be the first hospital in the U.S. that requires nursing staff to do this). The simulation lab helped me refresh on my skills and taught me an incredible amount of information. There is no such thing as too much training. If you learn well with hands on experience, then you will love it. However, EVERY school I interviewed at had a simulation lab. Heck, nursing schools are putting these in their programs now-a-days.
 
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