sin for Muslims to go into plastic surgery ??

[vandy1990]

I realize this isn't a religious forum, but any advice is helpful.

Here is what I know (a.k.a. what I found on google).

Found one site that asked if becoming a plastic surgeron was haram (sin), which is my question, but the site no longer exists (my luck).

Found two sites that debate if it's a sin for a Muslim woman to get plastic surgery (not really applicable to me, but better than nothing, so I continue to read...).

One site was like you probably shouldn't, but if you really want it, than it's fine (if only we had parents like this, ha)

The second site states you shouldn't because it alters what God has made (makes sense).
Than the same site gives thumbs up on some plastics, mostly referring to facial reconstructive surgery post accident. Than again, Muslims believe in predestination (i.e. things happen for a reason). So, with that said, wouldn't facial reconstructive surgery be considered a sin since, in essence, you are altering what God has done?
This same site mentions that if you are a Muslim plastic surgeon (so it is permitted?) that you have to turn away anything that alters/enhances someone's figure (than how am I suppose to pay back my student loans?)

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[Isoprop]

Muslims believe in predestination (i.e. things happen for a reason). So, with that said, wouldn't facial reconstructive surgery be considered a sin since, in essence, you are altering what God has done?

How do you know that you're not predestined to get facial surgery? How come that's not part of God's plan?

 

[CaptainSSO]

I think it's a sin to follow asinine 1400 year old rules.

Did you seriously make this thread?

 

[Acoustic]

The second site states you shouldn't because it alters what God has made (makes sense).
Than the same site gives thumbs up on some plastics, mostly referring to facial reconstructive surgery post accident. Than again, Muslims believe in predestination (i.e. things happen for a reason). So, with that said, wouldn't facial reconstructive surgery be considered a sin since, in essence, you are altering what God has done?

I'm curious how, if that applies to plastic surgery, that doesn't apply to the field of medicine as a whole? Is that ever something that's brought up?

 

[Miss Alyssa]

I'm curious how, if that applies to plastic surgery, that doesn't apply to the field of medicine as a whole? Is that ever something that's brought up?

That would be my question too. Why is it limited to plastics?

 

[MrBigglesworth]

non-practitioner here

From what I recall it has to do with not altering the image that 'God' gave you. Women are technically not allowed to shape their eyebrows, and your not allowed to get a tattoo either. (That would probably include braces too)

Anything that can improve your health/save you from death is allowed

That being said, if you can actually get into Plastics, consider that God's blessing to practice.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Shouldn't you ask someone of faith about this? Probably better than asking a random internet forum, imho.

 

[Bartelby]

I'm curious how, if that applies to plastic surgery, that doesn't apply to the field of medicine as a whole? Is that ever something that's brought up?

Exactly. OP, you should take time to carefully consider questions like these. Ask yourself what makes sense to you. You may find that reason and the rules of religion conflict, and at that time you will have to decide which is more important to you. Good luck.

 

[QuesoAndFromage]

Exactly. OP, you should take time to carefully consider questions like these. Ask yourself what makes sense to you. You may find that reason and the rules of religion conflict, and at that time you will have to decide which is more important to you. Good luck.

exactly-- if plastics is altering something "God" has done, then a pacemaker is, a transplant is, and the list goes on and on

 

[searun]

exactly-- if plastics is altering something "God" has done, then a pacemaker is, a transplant is, and the list goes on and on

Agree. Would be a sin for a plastic surgeon to repair severe facial deformities of a child? I don't think so.

 

[searun]

I strongly believe that a person shouldn't say something controversial about stuff he doesn't know well. What do you know about those 1400 year old rules. Let me give you one simple explanation. How many rules do you know that are older than those 1400 years old rules and still followed in their original shape. If these 1400 years old rules are still followed in their original shape by millions of people, there must be something special about them. They are completely followable and provide good results that is why they are alive even 1400 years after their origin.
So please show some respect or others will forget to respect you.

The teachings of Buddha are certainly much older that 1400 years and continue to influence the behavior and beliefs of millions in positive ways.

 

[Prodromo]

I strongly believe that a person shouldn't say something controversial about stuff he doesn't know well. What do you know about those 1400 year old rules. Let me give you one simple explanation. How many rules do you know that are older than those 1400 years old rules and still followed in their original shape. If these 1400 years old rules are still followed in their original shape by millions of people, there must be something special about them. They are completely followable and provide good results that is why they are alive even 1400 years after their origin.
So please show some respect or others will forget to respect you.

What difference does it make how long people have followed the rules or believed the stories? Does a certain length of time make it correct? The Buddha lived and taught around 500 years BCE. That makes Buddhism around 2500 years old. Does that make it better than the younger religions? Christianity is around 2000 years old. Is it better than Islam?

I think the rules of the Abrahamic religions are well known enough for most individuals to have concrete opinions about them. I hope that most individuals in medical school will be at least skeptical about the stories given in these texts.

And what are the good results you are speaking of? The results of religion that quickly come to my mind is the oppression of people (especially women), war, death, and keeping the powerful in power.

 

[xanthomondo]

I think it's a sin to follow asinine 1400 year old rules.

Did you seriously make this thread?

Religious tolerance, man. Live and let live.

 

[DeadCactus]

Depends on your personal beliefs and interpretations of the Quran. It may also depend on the type of plastics you go into. Doing tummy tucks and breast implants seems different than fixing cleft palettes and disfiguring trauma...

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Plastic (cosmetic) surgery is one of the most controversial topics in Islam. While many rules advocate for promoting the health and quality of the human beings, there are others that clearly prohibit certain practices that alter the creation of God.

It's certainly permissible in Islam to undergo/perform corrective surgeries to fix/restore "deformed" features. However, the term "deformed" can be very broad and cultural dependent. Therefore, if following religious rules to the letter is important to you, I would advise you to stay away from cosmetic surgery.

 

[Wordead]

I strongly believe that a person shouldn't say something controversial about stuff he doesn't know well. What do you know about those 1400 year old rules. Let me give you one simple explanation. How many rules do you know that are older than those 1400 years old rules and still followed in their original shape. If these 1400 years old rules are still followed in their original shape by millions of people, there must be something special about them. They are completely followable and provide good results that is why they are alive even 1400 years after their origin.
So please show some respect or others will forget to respect you.

Slavery has been around since the beginning of man. Just sayin.

 

[nard9032]

I don't have the numbers for plastics, but I am also curious. I took a religion course and the instructor asked us what we do for current problems, for example plastics and birth control, abortion, etc., that wasn't around when whatever religious book you follow was created. Anyways, every student said they ask the pastor or church leader.

But, I feel it can go both ways. I live in a very conservative southern city, so If I asked here, they probably would be against plastic surgery. However, I have two cousins in southern California and both have nose jobs and they said a lot of people have something done there.

 

[FutureInternist]

I realize this isn't a religious forum, but any advice is helpful.

Here is what I know (a.k.a. what I found on google).

Found one site that asked if becoming a plastic surgeron was haram (sin), which is my question, but the site no longer exists (my luck).

Found two sites that debate if it's a sin for a Muslim woman to get plastic surgery (not really applicable to me, but better than nothing, so I continue to read...).

One site was like you probably shouldn't, but if you really want it, than it's fine (if only we had parents like this, ha)

The second site states you shouldn't because it alters what God has made (makes sense).
Than the same site gives thumbs up on some plastics, mostly referring to facial reconstructive surgery post accident. Than again, Muslims believe in predestination (i.e. things happen for a reason). So, with that said, wouldn't facial reconstructive surgery be considered a sin since, in essence, you are altering what God has done?
This same site mentions that if you are a Muslim plastic surgeon (so it is permitted?) that you have to turn away anything that alters/enhances someone's figure (than how am I suppose to pay back my student loans?)

If you are not comfortable posting on the forum, you can message me 🙂

As a med student, you will be doing LOTS of things that are against Islam
1) Paying interest on loans
2) Missing prayers
3) Mutilating dead bodies
4) Keeping patients alive just so their kids can cash in their SS checks
etc, etc
Better decide now how far you are going to go with this before you decide on Medicine as a career.
Also, what are your chances of getting a 99.9999999% on your USMLE 🙂

 

[FLaughaLot]

If this is really a big personal and religious issue for you, I would recommend asking an imam that you trust. That being said, I also tend to mistrust anything that specifically says "women" should not do a certain thing because translations of the Koran do have some interpretation by the translator and I'm betting it's a man who did that. If you find any websites, I'd look for only the ones tha refer to a certain passage of the Koran- and then go read that part yourself and see what is actually being said. In the end, you have to apply your religion to your own life in terms of your personal beliefs and what you feel comfortable with.... (though personally, i think rather than the field itself- it's how it's used. If someone's interest in plastic surgery is to help those with a cleft lip, burns, deep insecurities and bullying related to something...it's very different than someone who manipulates people's fears for the money alone without any care). Good luck!

 

[Dr Love]

The default position is that something is allowed unless there is an explicit reason to ban it. Cosmetic surgery was not around a thousand years ago and so is not mentioned in the Koran or Hadith. Some people extrapolate from the ban on shaping of eyebrows (i.e. if this simple thing is banned then a complex nose job is of course banned). That is either ridiculous or makes total sense depending on your perspective. In making your decision, bear in mind that cosmetic surgeons make bank.

The idea that you shouldn't alter what God has made makes no sense whatsoever, since it can apply to any action "Why should you workout at the gym? You are changing what God has made".

Ultimately, I think a lot of people are quick to label something halal or haram without any actual reason behind it, just based on their gut feeling or what they heard from a friend of a friend. Again, you have to decide for yourself and remember, cosmetic surgeons make bank.

 

[Torr]

As a med student, you will be doing LOTS of things that are against Islam
1) Paying interest on loans
2) Missing prayers
3) Mutilating dead bodies
4) Keeping patients alive just so their kids can cash in their SS checks
etc, etc
Better decide now how far you are going to go with this before you decide on Medicine as a career.
Also, what are your chances of getting a 99.9999999% on your USMLE 🙂

All good points. You'd think things like this would be the initial moral dilemmas to consider before jumping into a debate about specialty choice .

 

[topsurgeon2010]

seriously?

in the end everything about life can be considered a sin because the logic you're using can be twisted and misinterpreted in any way one deems fit, which is sadly what is done today---none of the religious books in ANY religion were written in an easy to understand manner..they're like poetry..highly open to interpretation so you will NEVER get a consistent answer because they're all OPINIONS of regular HUMAN BEINGs (i.e. not divine beings)..and this includes religious leaders..

but you know what is not open to interpretation? being a good person and treating others with respect and dignity regardless of their religion, nationality, race or socioeconomic status...instead of focusing energy on things like whether a certain specialty is a sin, focus on your education, be an open-minded and honest person..support the less fortunate..and be a respectful and loving person of ALL people---there is no gray area or room for debate about these things, these PRACTICAL characteristics are heavily stressed in our religion but are overlooked and sadly not given much importance by people..

so my recommendation to you my friend is to instead focus on constantly striving and maintaining those traits before worrying about things like a specialty..consistently maintaining those traits are hard enough for any person...and in the end you will be judged not on your specialty but on your intentions and the type of person that you were..

and plastics is not just about elective cosmetic procedures...see below about how plastic surgery impacted a life..

www.cleveland.com/medical/index.ssf/2009/05/face_transplant.html

 

[DoctwoB]

I strongly believe that a person shouldn't say something controversial about stuff he doesn't know well. What do you know about those 1400 year old rules. Let me give you one simple explanation. How many rules do you know that are older than those 1400 years old rules and still followed in their original shape. If these 1400 years old rules are still followed in their original shape by millions of people, there must be something special about them. They are completely followable and provide good results that is why they are alive even 1400 years after their origin.
So please show some respect or others will forget to respect you.

The old "its been around a long time/popular so it must be true/special" argument

The practice of bleeding patients was also around for centuries. For over a millenia it was thought that the 4 humors caused disease. For over a thousand years christians believed that the earth was the center of the universe. Many still believe the world was created in 6 days.

Old/accepted != Truth

And OP: If you're not a troll, then as a med student smart enough to aim for plastics you should be able to read about and know your own faith and develop your own interpretation of what is moral, not accept some random person's post on the internet.

 

[druggeek]

How do religious people even get into med school? You'd think they wouldn't make the IQ cut.

Oh wait that's why the carribean schools are full of muslims and a large majority of the small number of religious people in north american med schools are partial agnostics anyway.

 

[Mizoodles]

 

[KeyzerSoze]

How do religious people even get into med school? You'd think they wouldn't make the IQ cut.

Oh wait that's why the carribean schools are full of muslims and a large majority of the small number of religious people in north american med schools are partial agnostics anyway.

Wtf is a "partial agnostic", and please provide a source that there are only a "small number of religious people in north american med schools."

 

[theseeker4]

Wtf is a "partial agnostic", and please provide a source that there are only a "small number of religious people in north american med schools."

Who needs a source when you are randomly bashing groups of people you don't agree with or who believe differently than you do? Isn't that the number-one sign of academic and intellectual prowess?

 

[druggeek]

Wtf is a "partial agnostic", and please provide a source that there are only a "small number of religious people in north american med schools."

A partial agnostic is someone who has some doubts in their faith.

It's difficult to find a source for such a thing because no one polls med students for their beliefs. We could have a poll on this forum if you'd like though 🙂 On the canadian premed101 forum, I think atheists and agnostics totalled 70% or so.

I'm also going based off of observations. It is well known that higher IQ and intellect is correlated with atheism and agnosticism (in fact very well known, you're one google search away). Higher IQ and intellect is also associated with being a med student. Add 1 + 1.

 

[Acoustic]

A partial agnostic is someone who has some doubts in their faith.

It's difficult to find a source for such a thing because no one polls med students for their beliefs. We could have a poll on this forum if you'd like though 🙂 On the canadian premed101 forum, I think atheists and agnostics totalled 70% or so.

I'm also going based off of observations. It is well known that higher IQ and intellect is correlated with atheism and agnosticism (in fact very well known, you're one google search away). Higher IQ and intellect is also associated with being a med student. Add 1 + 1.

I think you'd be surprised by the number of practicing physicians who were religious, or at least spiritual. Just because you're supposing that a high IQ correlates with atheism doesn't mean that's the "smart" decision, and that you must be stupid to be religious. This is a similar argument to the above "just because it's been around forever doesn't make it right".

One thing is for sure, that attitude of yours will certainly alienate MOST of your patients.

If you're a troll, then good job, because so far you've spouted some of the most offensive and short-sighted things I've seen on SDN.

 

[druggeek]

I think you'd be surprised by the number of practicing physicians who were religious, or at least spiritual. Just because you're supposing that a high IQ correlates with atheism doesn't mean that's the "smart" decision, and that you must be stupid to be religious. This is a similar argument to the above "just because it's been around forever doesn't make it right".

One thing is for sure, that attitude of yours will certainly alienate MOST of your patients.

If you're a troll, then good job, because so far you've spouted some of the most offensive and short-sighted things I've seen on SDN.

I'm well aware theres a good number of physicians who are religious. But a majority of physicians I know are not one bit religious. I'm making a generalization that is for the most part accurate (again in general) unless you're one of those dudes who wont believe it's sunny outside without a study for it.
And you're not dumb if you're religious, just that every religious person I've ever known who was smart was purely book smart and couldnt make a wise decision outside of school if his/her life depended on it.

No reason any of this would alienate any physician's patient. In fact, that is a MUCH more likely scenarion for a religious doctor 😉

 

[Acoustic]

I'm well aware theres a good number of physicians who are religious. But a majority of physicians I know are not one bit religious. I'm making a generalization that is for the most part accurate (again in general) unless you're one of those dudes who wont believe it's sunny outside without a study for it.
And you're not dumb if you're religious, just that every religious person I've ever known who was smart was purely book smart and couldnt make a wise decision outside of school if his/her life depended on it.

No reason any of this would alienate any physician's patient. In fact, that is a MUCH more likely scenarion for a religious doctor 😉

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2001/0101/p81.html

Apparently the physicians you know are not at all indicative of the norm, so your generalization isn't at all accurate. That's a lot of spiritual physicians and patients, most of the population even at the lowest numbers. And a lot of patients whose spirituality is important enough that they wish it was a bigger part of their health care.

If you were to say to these patients that a high IQ correlates with atheism, I can almost guarantee you they will look elsewhere for healthcare, and you will have done nothing to advance their health. Even if you disagree with it, it's important to them.

 

[druggeek]

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2001/0101/p81.html

Apparently the physicians you know are not at all indicative of the norm, so your generalization isn't at all accurate. That's a lot of spiritual physicians and patients, most of the population even at the lowest numbers. And a lot of patients whose spirituality is important enough that they wish it was a bigger part of their health care.

If you were to say to these patients that a high IQ correlates with atheism, I can almost guarantee you they will look elsewhere for healthcare, and you will have done nothing to advance their health. Even if you disagree with it, it's important to them.

There's a pretty large gap in your % of physicians who believe in god. A quick google search shows that it's roughly about 70% (which is in the low end of your percentage range). Now if we wait 10-15 years until all baby boomers retire and do a re-poll, you'll find the number will significantly drop from 70%. When a big chunk of your poll is based on old-timers, do you expect them to not believe in god?
The newer generation has far more atheists and agnostics than old-timers, why? Because there's been more and more access to info. to researching your beliefs instead of accepting what mommy n daddy say.

Also, belief in god =/= religious belief. I know tons of people who think there's some superpower there, but are not one bit religious (and many find religion to be nonsense).

As for spiritual health being important...okay great, I agree. It's about as useful as someone being joyful and being in a good mental state. There's tons of terminal cancer patients praying 24/7, do you think they survive?

 

[hot sauce]

If you object to cosmetic surgery you would probably have difficulty with residency. I've never been (nor ever will be) a plastic surgery but I would imagine that is part of the training.

 

[I4GOTMYWATCHINU]

Your picture reminds me all too much of a poem from my favorite book series


“See the TURTLE of enormous girth,
On his shell he holds the earth.
If you want to run and play,
Come along the BEAM today.”
“See the TURTLE of enormous girth!
On his shell he holds the earth.
His thought is slow but always kind;
He holds us all within his mind.
On his back all vows are made;
He sees the truth but mayn’t aid.
He loves the land and loves the sea,
And even loves a child like me.”

 

[lilqu]

seriously?

in the end everything about life can be considered a sin because the logic you're using can be twisted and misinterpreted in any way one deems fit, which is sadly what is done today---none of the religious books in ANY religion were written in an easy to understand manner..they're like poetry..highly open to interpretation so you will NEVER get a consistent answer because they're all OPINIONS of regular HUMAN BEINGs (i.e. not divine beings)..and this includes religious leaders..

but you know what is not open to interpretation? being a good person and treating others with respect and dignity regardless of their religion, nationality, race or socioeconomic status...instead of focusing energy on things like whether a certain specialty is a sin, focus on your education, be an open-minded and honest person..support the less fortunate..and be a respectful and loving person of ALL people---there is no gray area or room for debate about these things, these PRACTICAL characteristics are heavily stressed in our religion but are overlooked and sadly not given much importance by people..

so my recommendation to you my friend is to instead focus on constantly striving and maintaining those traits before worrying about things like a specialty..consistently maintaining those traits are hard enough for any person...and in the end you will be judged not on your specialty but on your intentions and the type of person that you were..

and plastics is not just about elective cosmetic procedures...see below about how plastic surgery impacted a life..

www.cleveland.com/medical/index.ssf/2009/05/face_transplant.html

^ This
Religious ideologies were writen open ended to flexible interpretations... sure some are wild and irrational interpretations but as a whole it all comes down men having written texts thousands/hundreds of years ago.... us having no proof that what we have is the original works to the tee....And leaving whoever to interpret it according to their subjective and objective data....

 

[druggeek]

^ This
Religious ideologies were writen open ended to flexible interpretations... sure some are wild and irrational interpretations but as a whole it all comes down men having written texts thousands/hundreds of years ago.... us having no proof that what we have is the original works to the tee....And leaving whoever to interpret it according to their subjective and objective data....

And then you use a little bit of common sense and realize it's all fairytales.

 

[Wordead]

A partial agnostic is someone who has some doubts in their faith.

It's difficult to find a source for such a thing because no one polls med students for their beliefs. We could have a poll on this forum if you'd like though 🙂 On the canadian premed101 forum, I think atheists and agnostics totalled 70% or so.

I'm also going based off of observations. It is well known that higher IQ and intellect is correlated with atheism and agnosticism (in fact very well known, you're one google search away). Higher IQ and intellect is also associated with being a med student. Add 1 + 1.

Myopic view of the world. About a quarter of my M1 classmates were serious bible thumpers.

Also those "studies" have the most idiotic methodology and mean absolutely nothing. Their results can be explained by 500 other factors they don't account for.

And this is coming from a hardcore atheist. I think religion is bull****, but basing your argument on garbage research doesn't make you seem any more intelligent.

 

[SexualOffender]

A partial agnostic is someone who has some doubts in their faith.

It's difficult to find a source for such a thing because no one polls med students for their beliefs. We could have a poll on this forum if you'd like though 🙂 On the canadian premed101 forum, I think atheists and agnostics totalled 70% or so.

I'm also going based off of observations. It is well known that higher IQ and intellect is correlated with atheism and agnosticism (in fact very well known, you're one google search away). Higher IQ and intellect is also associated with being a med student. Add 1 + 1.

Higher IQ and intellect is also associated with being a serial killer. Add 1 + 1 🙂

 

[shanighias]

Plastic surgery for beautifying and andorement is haram(prohibited) but to cure abnormality its halal(allowed).

 

[druggeek]

Myopic view of the world. About a quarter of my M1 classmates were serious bible thumpers.

Also those "studies" have the most idiotic methodology and mean absolutely nothing. Their results can be explained by 500 other factors they don't account for.

And this is coming from a hardcore atheist. I think religion is bull****, but basing your argument on garbage research doesn't make you seem any more intelligent.

Well I was presented with a study that gave percentages, and I refuted that by saying there's tons of studies which show a similar percentage. All garbage or not, who cares? Point remains the same.

Higher IQ and intellect is also associated with being a serial killer. Add 1 + 1 🙂

Strong username to post content ratio.

Serial killers are also sociopaths, and this alone throws your statement into the garbage.
And higher IQ and intellect is a "requirement" for being a serial killer, or else they wouldn't become a "serial" killer at all, and would end up in prison like any next ******* murderer who kills someone.

Plastic surgery for beautifying and andorement is haram(prohibited) but to cure abnormality its halal(allowed).

How does one complete a residency in plastic surgery under those conditions?

 

[SexualOffender]

Serial killers are also sociopaths, and this alone throws your statement into the garbage.

I don't understand.

And higher IQ and intellect is a "requirement" for being a serial killer, or else they wouldn't become a "serial" killer at all, and would end up in prison like any next ******* murderer who kills someone.

Yes, so what? The same is true of med students. A higher IQ is a "requirement" for being a med student, or else they wouldn't do well enough to get into med school. 🙂

 

[druggeek]

I don't understand.



Yes, so what? The same is true of med students. A higher IQ is a "requirement" for being a med student, or else they wouldn't do well enough to get into med school. 🙂

My second point should have been my first.
Being a sociopath essentially sets you up to live a nihilistic life. Meaning, you think that nothing matters and you should do whatever you feel like. Most of these people don't go around killing people, but a few do for various reasons like sexual fetishes and money (and these are the serial killers).

A high IQ allows them to justify nihilism which in reality is not wrong. Nothing really matters, we're all animals, morals are all fake, and you can do whatever the hell you want because in the end you die and nothing matters (for anyone).
I believe that's all true ^ , but I don't act on it because I'm not a sociopath and don't consider it "right." My IQ has nothing to do with my decision making in this case.

 

[jcruiser]

I'm Muslim. I just asked my mom and she told me that it was a sin to do plastic surgery since medically it isn't going to help you live longer and you are altering the body god gave you at birth. She went on further to say that a man doing breast implants is an even bigger sin, but I'm not sure why. Probably referring to unfaithfulness if you are married - and being unfaithful in Islam is extremely haraam.

 

[thechad]

I'm Muslim. I just asked my mom and she told me that it was a sin to do plastic surgery since medically it isn't going to help you live longer and you are altering the body god gave you at birth. She went on further to say that a man doing breast implants is an even bigger sin, but I'm not sure why. Probably referring to unfaithfulness if you are married - and being unfaithful in Islam is extremely haraam.

Well thank goodness we have your mother to tell us what is wrong and what is right.

 

[muhali3]

Almost anything can be said to be haram. Sometimes you just have to use your own common sense, your own moral compass.

According to the majority of scholars, a man shaking a woman's hand is haram.

Yet I'm sure you still do it, because you know that such an act is in no way immoral.

The same can be said about listening to music (which is also haram).

You should use your own common sense when it comes to these things. Even many non-Muslim MDs choose not to do cosmetic procedures for beautification purposes, just because, internally, they feel that it is not right. They do not need some book to tell them that.

 

[Dr Love]

How do religious people even get into med school? You'd think they wouldn't make the IQ cut.

Oh wait that's why the carribean schools are full of muslims and a large majority of the small number of religious people in north american med schools are partial agnostics anyway.

I always find it amusing when atheists take such pride in their perceived intellectual superiority. Particularly since most of them don't have any accomplishments that would justify their attitude (aside from passing Philosophy 101).

I suspect the reason you don't know of many doctors who are religious is that doctors modify their behavior according to the person they deal with. I have seen doctors that are pure atheist who use religious language when dealing with religious patients. Presumably doctors around you figure you're a dork who reads a lot of Nietzsche and act accordingly.

 

[so0oseta]

Hi there,,,

I just want you to know that it's not a sin at all,,,,lots of plastic surgeons where i come from and its completely ok.

Lots of people acuse religion of lots of things when its the people that are doing it not the religion it self....It never was Haram....but people talk,,,,thats how they are...doesn't have to be true tho...

 

[Acoustic]

I always find it amusing when atheists take such pride in their perceived intellectual superiority. Particularly since most of them don't have any accomplishments that would justify their attitude (aside from passing Philosophy 101).

I suspect the reason you don't know of many doctors who are religious is that doctors modify their behavior according to the person they deal with. I have seen doctors that are pure atheist who use religious language when dealing with religious patients. Presumably doctors around you figure you're a dork who reads a lot of Nietzsche and act accordingly.

This. Good doctors know how to behave in the way that will best serve the patient, not themselves, which this druggeek clearly does not understand and would rather cling to the idea that his atheism proves how awesome he is.

 

[topsurgeon2010]

I'm Muslim. I just asked my mom and she told me that it was a sin to do plastic surgery since medically it isn't going to help you live longer and you are altering the body god gave you at birth. She went on further to say that a man doing breast implants is an even bigger sin, but I'm not sure why. Probably referring to unfaithfulness if you are married - and being unfaithful in Islam is extremely haraam.

good one...

you do realize as a doctor (regardless of specialty) at some point in your training you will be putting fingers up a woman's vagina? her rectum? sometimes at the same time...also doing breast exams and touching their nipples?..performing a vaginal delivery?...you will also be putting multiple fingers through a guy's anus? touching and feeling a guys penis and testicles? etc etc

if you go through general surgery training you will be doing a lot more, including mastectomies...didn't even mention gross anatomy class (which could be considered a sin using your logic since you're messing around with a dead body)..

every aspect of life can be considered a sin using your irrational logic (some even consider using a computer or technology a sin so maybe you should stop using the computer too right?)...just need to use your own common sense when dealing with religion..its not always black or white as most people try to portray it as...

the procedures themselves are not the issues..it's your INTENTIONS..if you have dirty intentions when performing those exams/procedures thats the real issue..you will not be judged on those actions if you have a clean heart..you will be judged on your intentions

 

[druggeek]

Well thank goodness we have your mother to tell us what is wrong and what is right.

I lol'd. It's funny what type of people become physicians and make decisions which alter peoples' lives.