Sleep depravation effect your academic performance?

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For aspiring doctors, i know that it is important that performance shouldn't be gigantically worsened by the lack of sleep, but having to read 2 chapters (which doesn't seem alot but is 88pgs) of C++ savitch book i found myself unable to function in physics lab today.I started at around 10 last night because i had to do some biology and calculus plus i had classes. I couldn't even work the damn computer to get my results.

What can i do, if i drink more stimulants i won't be able to sleep, if i don't drink anything then i will fall asleep? I don't see a way of fixing this. Or will my body just adapt to a lack of sleep?

i am currently sleep deprived right now and so i used the wrong type of 'affect' in my title.
 
Dude, not cool. Its "affect" for the verb form and "deprivation", not "depravation."


For aspiring doctors, i know that it is important that performance shouldn't be gigantically worsened by the lack of sleep, but having to read 2 chapter (which doesn't seem alot but is 88pgs) of C++ savitch book i found myself unable to function in physics lab today. I couldn't even work the damn computer to get my results.

What can i do, if i drink more stimulants i won't be able to sleep, if i don't drink anything then i will fall asleep? I don't see a way of fixing this. Or will my body just adapt to a lack of sleep?
 
Proper time management skills can help you avoid losing any sleep, which would be the best option. Of course, if you're super busy with a job, lots of credits, kid(s)/family, etc., then losing sleep is, perhaps, unavoidable.
 
Dude, not cool. Its "affect" for the verb form and "deprivation", not "depravation."

haha i know, i found that my writing skills significantly diminish if i am sleep deprived (even though i can't write that well to begin with) but do you have any tips on how to keep the mind fresh while working with <7 hours of sleep?
 
haha i know, i found that my writing skills significantly diminish if i am sleep deprived (even though i can't write that well to begin with) but do you have any tips on how to keep the mind fresh while working with >7 hours of sleep?

Yeah. Wake up.

Edit: Nevermind, you fixed it. 😉
 
I believe "sleep depravation" is what happens when you drink too much and fall asleep on your friend's couch with shoes on...
 
For aspiring doctors, i know that it is important that performance shouldn't be gigantically worsened by the lack of sleep, but having to read 2 chapters (which doesn't seem alot but is 88pgs) of C++ savitch book i found myself unable to function in physics lab today.I started at around 10 last night because i had to do some biology and calculus plus i had classes. I couldn't even work the damn computer to get my results.

What can i do, if i drink more stimulants i won't be able to sleep, if i don't drink anything then i will fall asleep? I don't see a way of fixing this. Or will my body just adapt to a lack of sleep?

i am currently sleep deprived right now and so i used the wrong type of 'affect' in my title.

Exercise. Try taking a vitamin, it helped me. Get laid. Repeat.
 
haha i know, i found that my writing skills significantly diminish if i am sleep deprived (even though i can't write that well to begin with) but do you have any tips on how to keep the mind fresh while working with <7 hours of sleep?

<7? Really? Get used to it if you're applying to med school, friend. You should prob learn pretty soon how to live on <5. I've been spoiling myself as a working girl and getting ~8/night but I'm fully aware I'm going to be getting more like 4-7 during medical school. Sorry, I just can't believe you consider <7 to be sleep deprived.

And eldoctor's advice, too.
 
<7? Really? Get used to it if you're applying to med school, friend. You should prob learn pretty soon how to live on <5. I've been spoiling myself as a working girl and getting ~8/night but I'm fully aware I'm going to be getting more like 4-7 during medical school. Sorry, I just can't believe you consider <7 to be sleep deprived.

And eldoctor's advice, too.

Eh, there's no reason you can't get a good 8 or 9 hours of sleep per night in medical school. Well, unless you have bad time management skills but that's kind of a different situation.
 
Try manage your time better - make a schedule or something. Hopefully then you won't be too busy to not get enough sleep. Don't stress yourself out.

Anyways, your body will get used to it, it feels like crap the first few weeks but then it settles in. However do try get at least 6hrs of sleep. Personally speaking, I went through freshman year 4hrs of sleep a night, not because of studying, but because of a horrible roommate and neighbors. I'd look forward to the weekend tooo much. How I managed awesome grades in that situation was a shock in the end.

And it's okay to slack of once in a while, we're all human (not the best advice, but you know what I mean - make time for yourself.)
 
If you're sleep deprived, you should probably get more sleep.

When i'm tired to the point where I can't learn effectively, that's when I hit my bed and get some zzz's.

Of course gunners would probably just say to load up on red bull/coffee or something. But those are gunners, are you a gunner?

I have a friend that is like that, she's kinda crazy...
 
Yeah, I stayed up way too late studying for an M1 biochem exam and seriously forgot a huge chunk of what I had learned the day before. After that, I always slept >6 hours before an exam.
 
Dude not sleeping is not cool. Sure I can get by for a day or two with hardly any sleep if I have to, but the harm of long-term deprivation WAY outweighs the benefits of a few extra hours of wakefulness each day.

When you are trying to learn mountains of information, you have to have a little more faith in your grey matter. Adequate sleep (6+ hours at least 5 nights a week, preferably more) is essential for transferring the stuff you crammed into brain all day into your "long-term" memory. Your brain also is an extremely efficient organizer when you sleep and will connect freshly learned information to other areas of thought you may not even consider as related to that info. In short, sleeping makes you a much more critical thinker.

Obviously doctors, especially residents, are extremely busy and it is easy to sacrifice sleep for other things. But if you make it a priority, even the busiest of residents will be able to afford a solid 45 hours of sleep/week. They might not get 7 hours each night, but they almost always have some recuperation time, relatively speaking, after a day or two with no sleep. Yeah there are 36 hour shifts, which are hardcore and intense, but its not like they work 36, have 12 off, and then are back for another 36.

Yes it is important to have the ability to think clearly when you get paged 15 minutes after falling asleep and are suddenly forced to be awake for another 8 hours, but it is foolish and excepting way to much of yourself to think you have to function like that ALL the time.

Hardcore people who seem to be excellent at everything they do, do EVERYTHING hardcore and 100%. They work hardcore, they play hardcore, and when they need to they sleep hardcore!



Plus you don't wanna end up like my friend's dad when I was a teenager. He was a orthopaedic surgeon and he seriously hardly ever slept. He averaged 3 hours or so a night. He was not forced to sleep so little, but he just had way too much on his plate that he had chosen to bite off. If he had made it a priority, who could have slept, but he made other things priorities instead. Everybody thought he was like a god for being so intense, until he had a massive coronary in his 40s from a life so packed full of stress and sleep deprivation. He had to have a quadruple bypass, and barely survived. Now he's slowed down and even though he still works a lot and is very successful, he takes time for himself and is much happier too.
 
You should be able to sleep 8 hours a night during MS1 and 2 if you are relatively efficient with your time. 24 hours day...use it wisely. But yeah, 5 or 6 hours is not too bad. However, if you sleep 5 or 6 hours consistently....🙁:scared:

<7? Really? Get used to it if you're applying to med school, friend. You should prob learn pretty soon how to live on <5. I've been spoiling myself as a working girl and getting ~8/night but I'm fully aware I'm going to be getting more like 4-7 during medical school. Sorry, I just can't believe you consider <7 to be sleep deprived.

And eldoctor's advice, too.
 
<7? Really? Get used to it if you're applying to med school, friend. You should prob learn pretty soon how to live on <5. I've been spoiling myself as a working girl and getting ~8/night but I'm fully aware I'm going to be getting more like 4-7 during medical school. Sorry, I just can't believe you consider <7 to be sleep deprived.
Please don't go that to yourself appbuddy. Sleep is important not only to learn BUT also to maintain your beauty (i love my beauty sleep). I expect to get 7+ hours almost every night during M1/ M2 and than 45-50 hours magically during M3/M4 and residency. Sleep is one of the more important things to me -- it even tops food and having a social life (hopefully though I will have a cuddle buddy to make sleep seem social)
 
Proper time management skills can help you avoid losing any sleep, which would be the best option. Of course, if you're super busy with a job, lots of credits, kid(s)/family, etc., then losing sleep is, perhaps, unavoidable.

Yeah I agree.
 
Work on improving your efficiency so that you can get more sleep.
 
<7? Really? Get used to it if you're applying to med school, friend. You should prob learn pretty soon how to live on <5. I've been spoiling myself as a working girl and getting ~8/night but I'm fully aware I'm going to be getting more like 4-7 during medical school. Sorry, I just can't believe you consider <7 to be sleep deprived.

And eldoctor's advice, too.

I enjoy 7-8 hrs. I plan on doing that in medical school too except during rotations.
 
Yeah, I stayed up way too late studying for an M1 biochem exam and seriously forgot a huge chunk of what I had learned the day before. After that, I always slept >6 hours before an exam.

If you don't clock in a decent amount of REM, you're not really going to retain much.

and now you know

AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE

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(the other half is red and blue lasers)
 
Please don't go that to yourself appbuddy. Sleep is important not only to learn BUT also to maintain your beauty (i love my beauty sleep). I expect to get 7+ hours almost every night during M1/ M2 and than 45-50 hours magically during M3/M4 and residency. Sleep is one of the more important things to me -- it even tops food and having a social life (hopefully though I will have a cuddle buddy to make sleep seem social)

we would make a great couple.
 
<7? Really? Get used to it if you're applying to med school, friend. You should prob learn pretty soon how to live on <5. I've been spoiling myself as a working girl and getting ~8/night but I'm fully aware I'm going to be getting more like 4-7 during medical school. Sorry, I just can't believe you consider <7 to be sleep deprived.

And eldoctor's advice, too.

i seriously love people like you who tell him he is not going to get more than 7 hours of sleep in med school when you have NO experience on the subject. That is ridiculously funny to me. As the poster right below you said, there is no reason you should not be able to get a full nights sleep THE FIRST TWO YEARS of medical school. Third and fourth year hospital (especially surgical) rotations are a whole other story. There, yes, you can expect to consistently get approximately 4 hours of sleep (sometimes less)....
 
If you don't clock in a decent amount of REM, you're not really going to retain much.

and now you know

AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE

GiJoe_TV-Title1985.jpg


(the other half is red and blue lasers)
This man knows what's up.
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Some of you are being extremely rude. Come on, now.

I won't be mean, but 7 hours of sleep is PLENTY. Don't sweat this. If you are doing poorly getting 7 hours of sleep your rest is to no blame.
 
yezz zirr it can. Definitely need to find time for some sleep and a good bed.👍
 
Not everybody can get by with 7 hours of sleep. Its dangerous to make blanket statements; some people just need more zzz's than others. Generalizations can be harmful in certain cases. What if I said that humans really just need 8 hours of sleep? That goes against the data saying that babies and teenagers need considerably more sleep than adults, for example.

Some of you are being extremely rude. Come on, now.

I won't be mean, but 7 hours of sleep is PLENTY. Don't sweat this. If you are doing poorly getting 7 hours of sleep your rest is to no blame.
 
Not everybody can get by with 7 hours of sleep. Its dangerous to make blanket statements; some people just need more zzz's than others. Generalizations can be harmful in certain cases. What if I said that humans really just need 8 hours of sleep? That goes against the data saying that babies and teenagers need considerably more sleep than adults, for example.

I agree 100%. I like this fellow; spot on and straight to the point!
 
I happen to have taken a class on sleep taught by a neuroscientist, so I'll share some facts:
- Sleep is necessary for memory consolidation, Sleep deprivation or low quality sleep ==> poor encoding, much less retention of info, impaired ability to make associations, generalizations, and necessary for deep and creative thinking.
- Sleep deprivation actually CHANGES your brain structure. Scary stuff, huh? For instance, it's related to hippocampal size reduction (the structure for memory), amygdala enlargement (becoming too emotionally sensitive), and changes in prefrontal activity (decision-making)
- Also related to elevation of stress, and high cortisol levels are pretty much bad for every system in your body. Not to mention it's related to obesity, sickness, and mental health.

In short, don't disregard the importance of sleep! Don't fall into over-simplified thinking of premeds and even med students that sleep is something you can survive without, or replace. Just manage your time.
 
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