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I've spent a lot of time complaining on these forums about how supposedly useless my medical education was. Well, I just wanted to say that you guys were right, and I was wrong.

I'm doing research in an IM subspecialty, and I'm finding myself forced to remember tons of stuff from Anatomy, Neurology, Immunology, Genetics, and I've even had to do physical exams on some patients. I guess that the things I thought were useless ended up coming in handy.
 
Arkangeloid said:
I've spent a lot of time complaining on these forums about how supposedly useless my medical education was. Well, I just wanted to say that you guys were right, and I was wrong.

I'm doing research in an IM subspecialty, and I'm finding myself forced to remember tons of stuff from Anatomy, Neurology, Immunology, Genetics, and I've even had to do physical exams on some patients. I guess that the things I thought were useless ended up coming in handy.
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Wait....you actually thought physical exams were useless? 😵
 
Psai said:
Yeah there's this thing called experience that you don't have. Props for admitting that you were wrong though.
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Heh thanks.

I think a lot of the people who accuse me of trolling forget that I'm not an obstinate fool or a fake internet character, but a real person trying to make his way in the sometimes frustrating world of medicine.
 
Arkangeloid said:
Heh thanks.

I think a lot of the people who accuse me of trolling forget that I'm not an obstinate fool or a fake internet character, but a real person trying to make his way in the sometimes frustrating world of medicine.
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I think you're half real, half troll. I am 100% positive that stuff you posted in the lounge was trolling. And by 100%, I mean if I had any money to bet, I would bet all of it that what you wrote was calculated and deliberate.

I would paste it here to make a case, but I'm pretty sure that would be a violation of the TOS.
 
Arkangeloid said:
Heh thanks.

I think a lot of the people who accuse me of trolling forget that I'm not an obstinate fool or a fake internet character, but a real person trying to make his way in the sometimes frustrating world of medicine.
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You know we like you right? You're a character, but in a good way.
 
Arkangeloid said:
Heh thanks.

I think a lot of the people who accuse me of trolling forget that I'm not an obstinate fool or a fake internet character, but a real person trying to make his way in the sometimes frustrating world of medicine.
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Think of being "wrong" as being surprised, and when the unexpected, unfathomable, unpredictable occurs—and **** will pop up out of nowhere—you'll view it as something new, fresh, and another piece of a puzzle. Then again figuring out what piece goes in what puzzle can make for some decent times. The recurring theme I've found compelling is what's "real" and what's "troll" talk, or the "imaginary." The content within each post should be sufficient to discern what's authentic, and useful, and what's plain silliness. I think some of the "troll" posts are, if weighted no more or less strangers on the internet rambling—hardly worth the time to consider or waste time responding to.
 
Arkangeloid said:
I've spent a lot of time complaining on these forums about how supposedly useless my medical education was. Well, I just wanted to say that you guys were right, and I was wrong.

I'm doing research in an IM subspecialty, and I'm finding myself forced to remember tons of stuff from Anatomy, Neurology, Immunology, Genetics, and I've even had to do physical exams on some patients. I guess that the things I thought were useless ended up coming in handy.
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I remember you from undergrad. You complained about how worthless every class you took was, and were convinced about how superior your knowledge was to the professor, who incidentally has dedicated his life's study to that one field of study. Pretty classy. I'm glad to see you took it to the next level.

Someone is coding in the ER? You can just look up the answer on Google, wtf do you need a class for?
 
I still think you're better served starting a blog to document your experiences rather than being the most consistent thread starter in this forum.
 
Shjanzey said:
I remember you from undergrad. You complained about how worthless every class you took was, and were convinced about how superior your knowledge was to the professor, who incidentally has dedicated his life's study to that one field of study. Pretty classy. I'm glad to see you took it to the next level.

Someone is coding in the ER? You can just look up the answer on Google, wtf do you need a class for?
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Uh, do I know you? I enjoyed college, as I've stated here several times. Maybe that's because I majored in a Lib Arts field that I loved.
 
Elevencents said:
I still think you're better served starting a blog to document your experiences rather than being the most consistent thread starter in this forum.
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Dude I would read that. Also i think ark should come to the lounge more often
 
touchpause13 said:
Dude I would read that. Also i think ark should come to the lounge more often
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Heh , all right, I'll set it up. I'll post it here when I figure out my title.

No NSFW content except me calling Pulmonology and STEP1 studying "homo."
 
1. Since when is pulm a class?
2. What's wrong with pulm? It's even more straightforward than renal!
 
Brain Bucket said:
1. Since when is pulm a class?
2. What's wrong with pulm? It's even more straightforward than renal!
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Sorry, "respiratory." Whatever.

At our school, Pulmonology is the most failed class, and has a dreaded reputation. I asked my Neuro tutor to help me with it. She flat out refused and said nothing could make her go through Pulm again, and she's one of the most industrious and intelligent women I know.
 
Arkangeloid said:
Sorry, "respiratory." Whatever.

At our school, Pulmonology is the most failed class, and has a dreaded reputation. I asked my Neuro tutor to help me with it. She flat out refused and said nothing could make her go through Pulm again, and she's one of the most industrious and intelligent women I know.
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No. I wasn't mocking you. You have an entire course on the respiratory system?
 
Brain Bucket said:
No. I wasn't mocking you. You have an entire course on the respiratory system?
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Systems based education curriculum. Once done with the foundational courses (gross anatomy, biochem, etc), instead of having pathology, physiology, pharmacology, etc you have systems classes (renal, pulm/resp, cardiology, endocrinology, etc) where all of those topics are covered in respect to the system being taught. It's not an uncommon setup by any means.
 
Siggy said:
Systems based education curriculum. Once done with the foundational courses (gross anatomy, biochem, etc), instead of having pathology, physiology, pharmacology, etc you have systems classes (renal, pulm/resp, cardiology, endocrinology, etc) where all of those topics are covered in respect to the system being taught. It's not an uncommon setup by any means.
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Oh. heh. I forgot. It must suck to fail the easiest system.
 
Brain Bucket said:
Oh. heh. I forgot. It must suck to fail the easiest system.
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How is it an "easy" system? Of course if you think Renal is an "easy" system, when if you look at Costanzo's Physiology it's very intricate (i.e. countercurrent multiplier, etc.) then you're different from most medical students.
 
DermViser said:
How is it an "easy" system? Of course if you think Renal is an "easy" system, when if you look at Costanzo's Physiology it's very intricate (i.e. countercurrent multiplier, etc.) then you're different from most medical students.
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I think it's better for people who think like chemists and bad for people who think like biologists.
 
Psai said:
I think it's better for people who think like chemists and bad for people who think like biologists.
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Yeah, like Organic chemists, not General chemists.
 
DermViser said:
Yeah, like Organic chemists, not General chemists.
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I loved o chem. No joke.

Seriously, though. Yeah, any system is complex, and renal management is especially complex. I greatly respect nephrologists, but we're talking MS2 here.

Basic renal anatomy, physio, and path? Super straightforward. I love the countercurrent system. It just takes a little time to master, but once you have a basic understanding, everything else falls into place relatively easily. Once you know the functions of different cells in the nephron / how hormones relate to each other, all renal physio/path becomes so intuitive!

As for pulm - basic physics. It ties in really well with renal and cardio. If you've had those systems, pulm by itself is very little work. If not, then you're going to have to work a little harder. I called pulm the easiest system, not renal.
 
Brain Bucket said:
I loved o chem. No joke.

Seriously, though. Yeah, any system is complex, and renal management is especially complex. I greatly respect nephrologists, but we're talking MS2 here.

But basic renal anatomy, physio, and path? Super straightforward. I love the countercurrent system. It just takes a little time to master, but once you have a basic understanding, everything else falls into place relatively easily. Once you know the functions of different cells in the nephron / how hormones relate to each other, all renal physio/path becomes so intuitive!

As for pulm - basic physics. It ties in really well with renal and cardio. If you've had those systems, pulm by itself is very little work.
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Again. You are the minority. All the things you're talking about learned in MS-1/MS-2: countercurrent multiplier, hormones, different parts of the nephron and how they work, fluid deficits with Darrow-Yannet diagrams, pharmacology, etc. are complicated for most medical students who are going through the material for the first time.
 
DermViser said:
Again. You are the minority. All the things you're talking about learned in MS-1/MS-2: countercurrent multiplier, hormones, different parts of the nephron and how they work, fluid deficits with Darrow-Yannet diagrams, pharmacology, etc. are complicated for most medical students who are going through the material for the first time.
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Hm. I kinda did the basics of countercurrent/renin-angio/anatomy of the nephron in high school :/. I'm pretty sure it showed up on the MCAT.
 
Brain Bucket said:
Hm. I kinda did the basics of countercurrent/renin-angio/anatomy of the nephron in high school :/. I'm pretty sure it showed up on the MCAT.
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If it showed up on the MCAT exam, it was something that you didn't have to take a Physiology course for.
 
Arkangeloid said:
Heh thanks.

I think a lot of the people who accuse me of trolling forget that I'm not an obstinate fool or a fake internet character, but a real person trying to make his way in the sometimes frustrating world of medicine.
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You're experiencing what is called the "hidden curriculum" of med school. Don't worry it's not something you study for.
 
Anastomoses said:
I am seriously begining to consider watching that show.
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Seasons 1-3 are must watch, especially once you have some clinical experiences.

It goes downhill for a bit after that, with a uptick in quality again in seasons 7 and 8. The series finale was perfect. I do not count season 9 (scrubs 2.0) as a part of the show.
 
southernIM said:
Seasons 1-3 are must watch, especially once you have some clinical experiences.

It goes downhill for a bit after that, with a uptick in quality again in seasons 7 and 8. The series finale was perfect. I do not count season 9 (scrubs 2.0) as a part of the show.
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Depending on the low points of your MS-3 year, I don't recommend watching it at those times (or maybe so, just so you know that your feelings aren't just you). I think though it really does give an honest appraisal as to the inner thinkings of physicians both in training and as attendings, esp. JD and the woman played by Sarah Chalke, forget her name, and Dr. Cox.

Up to this point, premed, MCAT, MS-1/MS-2 are not medicine. You realize then as an MS-3 that medicine isn't a game and no one can "teach" you to be a good doctor.
 
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DermViser said:
If it showed up on the MCAT exam, it was something that you didn't have to take a Physiology course for.
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I remember having to teach myself renal physio and countercurrent multiplication for the MCAT. I think I had only taken general bio, genetics, and cellular bio by the time I took the exam, and none had taught me any appreciable amount of physiology.

I think I nearly had a heart attack the first time I looked at the diagram of a nephron in the book and realized I had to know all that.
 
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