Something I don't get......

[DropkickMurphy]

---

Members don't see this ad.

One of my friends and I were discussing places we plan to apply to.....he asked a really decent question (at least so far as I am concerned) regarding interview questions. You never hear of an allopathic school asking why you are applying to there as opposed to osteopathic programs....but you are heavily warned in this forum to be sure to have an answer to this question if you're interviewing at a DO program. I honestly don't see why this is asked, as if your answer to why you want to be a physician isn't sufficient.

 

[Ema]

That is good observation. I was asked "why medicine" at 3 MD interviews, and "why medicine" and "why DO" at a DO interview. Actually, I had few other questions regarding the DO route. ( it felt like grilling ‘cause at the time I thought my answers were poor). My assumption is that if the osteopathic medicine involves some elements that makes it different from the traditional medicine, then they want to know your reasons for choosing it. 🙂

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Agreed....I think it has a lot to do with the minority who wish to take the (as DrMom described it) "seperate, yet equal" approach to everything regarding the profession.

Personally I hope DO programs will accept "I want to be a physician, and I've worked around DO's for several years and they tend to be as sharp as anyone out there, and actually when it comes to assessment and problem solving skills they outshine their MD counterparts. I figure why not pursue the route that will put me ahead of the curve...." as an acceptable reasoning because that's exactly what I intend to state.

 

[Ema]

Agreed....I think it has a lot to do with the minority who wish to take the (as DrMom described it) "seperate, yet equal" approach to everything regarding the profession.

Personally I hope DO programs will accept "I want to be a physician, and I've worked around DO's for several years and they tend to be as sharp as anyone out there, and actually when it comes to assessment and problem solving skills they outshine their MD counterparts. I figure why not pursue the route that will put me ahead of the curve...." as an acceptable reasoning because that's exactly what I intend to state.

I am not one of those people who get all worked up about some posts, and expressed opinions, but I would like to add something about what you have said. I think that DO do not "outshine their MD counterparts" nor MD outshine their DO counterparts. What kind of physican you are, and how good you are simply depends on your personal qualities, as well as the medical knowledge. There are MD's and DO's who diagnose quickly, and are able to choose the best treatment plans, and there are those who use every possible test to conclude what is going on with a patient. Man, now I am one of those who start arguments ha? LOL Have you been accepted anywhere? Happy Holidays🙂

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I am not one of those people who get all worked up about some posts, and expressed opinions, but I would like to add something about what you have said. I think that DO do not "outshine their MD counterparts" nor MD outshine their DO counterparts. What kind of physican you are, and how good you are simply depends on your personal qualities, as well as the medical knowledge. There are MD's and DO's who diagnose quickly, and are able to choose the best treatment plans, and there are those who use every possible test to conclude what is going on with a patient. Man, now I am one of those who start arguments ha? LOL Have you been accepted anywhere? Happy Holidays🙂

No, I'm not applying this time around.

 

[Ema]

Oh you said you were gonna use that as a reason why you want to be a DO?
Hmm... I would come up with something more meaningful then that. It's almost ad absurdum to say that on an interview. You will be a doctor, a proffesional, and as such you will be working along side with MD's, you are not supposed to bash anyone. 😉 (in case u were joking, sorry its hard to tell when its written)

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Oh you said you were gonna use that as a reason why you want to be a DO?
Hmm... I would come up with something more meaningful then that. It's almost ad absurdum to say that on an interview. You will be a doctor, a proffesional, and as such you will be working along side with MD's, you are not supposed to bash anyone. 😉 (in case u were joking, sorry its hard to tell when its written)

Check your PM inbox......

I can't come out and say what I feel in my heart: "I just want to be a physician and I happen to like your location."

 

[premed2007]

this is just a guess, but maybe it is because DO schools want to see if the people who are applying there are really into going to Osteopathic Medicine or just applying as a backup to MD schools. If you are really interested in going to a DO school for the philosophy or if you applied to X number of MD schools didnt get into any and are now going to DO route. Just a guess, Im not sure.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

if you applied to X number of MD schools didnt get into any and are now going to DO route.

Well, since I'll be applying at the same time to both (as well as Ross and the Irish schools), that's not really the case for me, but I see your point. Of course, there are reasons WHY premeds treat the DO programs as backups but we're not going there now.......

 

[czanetti]

Its not just premeds that treat it as that some advisors portray DO schools as that it ticks me off.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Well......as I said.....not going there but suffice to say: "sins of the fathers".

 

[czanetti]

regardless if you are going to differenciate use the OMM ruite, Osteopathic philosophy applied in physical terms, it shows promise that the philosophy of whole person is the true heart of the profession.

 

[Ema]

Its not just premeds that treat it as that some advisors portray DO schools as that it ticks me off.

Oh yeah... and what about premeds who hold some titles in a premed honor societies.LOL
"Oh you wanna go into osteopathic medicine, you can always work with orthopeadic surgeons ha?" - the president of a premedical honorary society. Well, it was kinda offensive in the begining, now is amusing.

 

[czanetti]

that is arrogance attempting to make up for lack of information. In those situations you respectfully correct there statement and ask them to read up a little more on the topic before assuming anything.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Come again? It's the "heart" of a lot of allopathic programs too. It's also basic common sense to anyone who has ever treated a real patient.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Oh yeah... and what about premeds who hold some titles in a premed honor societies.LOL
"Oh you wanna go into osteopathic medicine, you can always work with orthopeadic surgeons ha?" - the president of a premedical honorary society. Well, it was kinda offensive in the begining, now is amusing.

What's funny is 3/4 of our DO's in this area ARE orthopedic surgeons and the father of one of them is on the faculty at KCOM as an orthopod.

 

[czanetti]

ofcourse its the heart of every doctor, I'm giving you want they want to hear, but because it is spelled out as a doctorine in every definition of what an osteopathic doctor is it seems more definitive, I don't disagree with you at all I know this just as anyone does but you can use it.

But OMM takes the philosophy and implements it through a different more literal perspective so it does validate what I said to an extent

 

[czanetti]

This treatment option is why I'm going into Osteopathic medicine, I believe in its purpose and the philosophy of its construction, I intend eventually do research in this area. Its philisophical construction and measurment methods, utilizing choas thoery and fractal analysis of dynamic systems is in perfect cadence with physicists paradigm shift regarding the outlook of living systems.
]
By its at the heart I mean OMM as its main distiction and platform for applied philosophy would be at the heart of Osteopathic medicine. This doesn't mean that all Osteopathic doctors have to use OMM but to be trained with a philosophy thats driven with this in mind does have an effect. Weather it is small or large depends on the individual. Either way you can be a good doctor by going to any school, like you can be a good person by following any religion or any organized way of life that is humanitarian. Its how much each individual takes the teachings to heart. You can play with this weather you believe in it or not. It leaves room for you to either BS or endulge in.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

ofcourse its the heart of every doctor, I'm giving you want they want to hear, but because it is spelled out as a doctorine in every definition of what an osteopathic doctor is it seems more definitive, I don't disagree with you at all I know this just as anyone does but you can use it.

Point taken....it just seems morally reprehensible to blatantly lie to them about how I feel. But then again.....

But OMM takes the philosophy and implements it through a different more literal perspective so it does validate what I said to an extent

Only if it's embraced and applied by even a majority of those in the profession. Last time I checked, this wasn't even close to the case.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

This treatment option is why I'm going into Osteopathic medicine

More power to you......the chance to become a doctor is why I'm going into medicine. If my best option is an osteopathic school, so be it. I don't see any benefit one way or the other between the two (except for the minor inconvenience of maybe having to do a TRI if I attend an osteopathic program).

 

[QofQuimica]

I don't see why you can't use geography as a reason, actually. I didn't apply to any DO schools, but some of the MD schools asked me why I had chosen to apply to their school. And I flat-out told them that I was looking for schools where I could do research and that I wanted to be in the South or the Midwest (preferably the South) because that's where my family is. No one ever gave me a hard time about that, except at some of the Midwestern schools where they asked me how I'd be able to handle the winters. 😉

 

[czanetti]

seriously dude all power to you to being a doctor is being a doctor, but you can't bash a person that chooses to believe in things that you may not, I would be happy/proud and honored if I get to work with you becuase you want to be a good doctor, if you can portray that any where you go I'm sure you will be fine.

 

[czanetti]

I here you there too, I choose to apply to schools for personal reasons along with location, I wanted down south because I was tired of the winters, I'm up in Buffalo NY right now and can't stand it anymore. 🙂

 

[czanetti]

Do you think it's sad that I asked for a skeleton for christmas?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Do you think it's sad that I asked for a skeleton for christmas?

No, because I asked for a copy of Netter's from my girlfriend.

 

[czanetti]

No, because I asked for a copy of Netter's from my girlfriend.

Haha, I found out tonight that I got it and I spent 15 minutes putting it together and figuring out what would be a good name for it??? have any ideas?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I'm up in Buffalo NY right now and can't stand it anymore.

Amen. One of my ex-girlfriends was from Lancaster, NY and her dad worked at UB. I have no idea how people survive there after experiencing a single winter storm up there.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Haha, I found out tonight that I got it and I spent 15 minutes putting it together and figuring out what would be a good name for it??? have any ideas?

Silent Bob

 

[QofQuimica]

Do you think it's sad that I asked for a skeleton for christmas?

No. You know what I got as gifts when I finished grad school last spring? A stethoscope and a copy of Harrison's. Aren't those just the things that every good chemist needs.

 

[czanetti]

Amen. One of my ex-girlfriends was from Lancaster, NY and her dad worked at UB. I have no idea how people survive there after experiencing a single winter storm up there. [/QUOTE/]

Every time its crapy out, and believe me its crapy out a lot I yell out loud I hate buffalo. When I went down to Texas, I have an aunt that lives in Dallas she grew up where I am originally from, she said the one thing she loves about down there is that people are always in a good mood because it is always nice out.

 

[QofQuimica]

Haha, I found out tonight that I got it and I spent 15 minutes putting it together and figuring out what would be a good name for it??? have any ideas?

Tee hee, how about "Bones?"

 

[czanetti]

Tee hee, how about "Bones?"

HAHA that would be a good one.

 

[czanetti]

Silent Bob

LMAO maybe that will be his nickname

 

[DropkickMurphy]

No. You know what I got as gifts when I finished grad school last spring? A stethoscope and a copy of Harrison's. Aren't those just the things that every good chemist needs.

As opposed to the package of batteries, gift certificate "good for one tank of anhydrous NH3", and the box of Sudafed we bought a friend of mine as a gag gift when he completed his chemistry undergrad work.....

 

[QofQuimica]

Amen. One of my ex-girlfriends was from Lancaster, NY and her dad worked at UB. I have no idea how people survive there after experiencing a single winter storm up there. [/QUOTE/]

Every time its crapy out, and believe me its crapy out a lot I yell out loud I hate buffalo. When I went down to Texas, I have an aunt that lives in Dallas she grew up where I am originally from, she said the one thing she loves about down there is that people are always in a good mood because it is always nice out.

TX does have awesome weather. I thought that was one of the biggest pluses for Houston. 👍 People would look at me and say, but it's so hot and humid there. And I would smile really big and say, Yeah, I know. 😀

 

[czanetti]

Netters is next on my list, I was going to hold off until I know exactly what I am suppose to get for my M1 at TCOM

 

[czanetti]

As opposed to the package of batteries, gift certificate "good for one tank of anhydrous NH3", and the box of Sudafed we bought a friend of mine as a gag gift when he completed his chemistry undergrad work.....

Thats good, can you believe that sudafed isn't OTC anymore because apparently it's a good catalyst for making cocaine

 

[premed2007]

I here you there too, I choose to apply to schools for personal reasons along with location, I wanted down south because I was tired of the winters, I'm up in Buffalo NY right now and can't stand it anymore. 🙂

yeah I hear you, I go to undergrad in Illinois and am sick of the winters also, although i may not see as much snow as youll see in Buffalo. this is why Im glad I got into NSUCOM, at least Ill have the option of going to a warm climate.

 

[QofQuimica]

As opposed to the package of batteries, gift certificate "good for one tank of anhydrous NH3", and the box of Sudafed we bought a friend of mine as a gag gift when he completed his chemistry undergrad work.....

I don't have crazy friends like you, I guess. Or maybe grad students are just too grumpy to do stuff like that. My parents were the ones who got me the Harrison's and the stethoscope. I think they are more excited about me going to med school than I am, even. You think it's hard explaining to people that a DO is a real doctor; try having to tell them that a PhD is not a friggin' philosophy degree. 🙄

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Amen. One of my ex-girlfriends was from Lancaster, NY and her dad worked at UB. I have no idea how people survive there after experiencing a single winter storm up there. [/QUOTE/]

Every time its crapy out, and believe me its crapy out a lot I yell out loud I hate buffalo. When I went down to Texas, I have an aunt that lives in Dallas she grew up where I am originally from, she said the one thing she loves about down there is that people are always in a good mood because it is always nice out.

To quote my ex-gf: "There are two seasons in Buffalo: winter and July"
Her dad: "No hon, get it right.....it's winter and road construction"
Her: "Oh, right....my bad"

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Thats good, can you believe that sudafed isn't OTC anymore because apparently it's a good catalyst for making cocaine

Meth.....not cocaine.

And it's still available without a script here, you just have to sign for it and are limited in the amount you can buy.

 

[czanetti]

yeah I hear you, I go to undergrad in Illinois and am sick of the winters also, although i may not see as much snow as youll see in Buffalo. this is why Im glad I got into NSUCOM, at least Ill have the option of going to a warm climate.

Yeah me too I got in there also, Loved the weather, but after they sent me 3 happy holidays cards, and 3 emails to fill out my secondary after I was already accepted I kinda felt leary about going there. ITs a beautiful school I was pulling myself apart between going there or TCOM but eventually choose TCOM bcs it was a little cheaper

 

[czanetti]

Meth.....not cocaine.

And it's still available without a script here, you just have to sign for it and are limited in the amount you can buy.

Yeah meth I'm sorry about that, I have done 2 years worth of research on cocaine one year in a medicinal chemistry lab, the other at research institute for addictions, I tend to associate it with everything haha

 

[DropkickMurphy]

It's ok....but I tell you....once you see a meth lab explode in person (and find the toilet from the trailer that contained it embedded in a corn field a couple hundred yards away), you don't soon forget it. God I love being a volunteer firefighter!

 

[czanetti]

Thats FKN awsome!!!

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Thats FKN awsome!!!

Looking back on it now.....yeah, it was......at the time it was the definition of abject terror. The trailer did a bouncing Betty and as it detonated it lifted off it base and exploded......we had just arrived on scene and "*sizzling noise* BOOOOOOOOOOOOM*pop*BOOOOOOOOOOM!"*

 

[bkpa2med]

"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Emerson

I was gutsy enough to make this point during my interviews. I guess it worked.😀

 

[brookliner7]

Agreed....I think it has a lot to do with the minority who wish to take the (as DrMom described it) "seperate, yet equal" approach to everything regarding the profession.

Personally I hope DO programs will accept "I want to be a physician, and I've worked around DO's for several years and they tend to be as sharp as anyone out there, and actually when it comes to assessment and problem solving skills they outshine their MD counterparts. I figure why not pursue the route that will put me ahead of the curve...." as an acceptable reasoning because that's exactly what I intend to state.

I hope you are joking....

your reason for wanting to be an osteopahtic physician stems from comparing them to an MD?

😕

You understand this kind of arrogant attitude is what gives premed students a bad reputation?

If this is your real answer, then my guess would be that they are asking this question to keep people like you out of their school.
cheers!😀

 

[SamaraMorgan]

.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

No, my reason for considering osteopathic programs is because I want to be a physician. Period. End of story. I was just trying to think of a way to put a positive spin on the alleged differences that I don't believe are really significant any more and haven't been for over a decade (or more).

But thank you for being a condescending elitist Brooke.....that's so greatly appreciated!!