Specialising in the US

[briankirby]

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Hi guys,how are u all doing?
I have a query and would really appreciate any replies🙂
Ok so,im a first year vet student here in ireland.The school i go to is AVMA accredited.
iv read that to work in the US i need to take the NAVLEs or something like that.
I was wondering if u could tell me how hard it would be to get into specialty training over there?
Id be interested in surgery but also nutrition.
We have nothing like that here.
Of course i would have visa issues also,so anyone who knows people who have been through the process would be welcome to respond.
Thanks a lot
b

 

[Bill59]

To get a surgery residency, you will need to get a rotating internship first. Internships, especially academic programs, are fairly competitive with about 50% of applicants accepted. Surgery residencies are even more competitive.

Clinical nutrition residencies are less competitive and some programs don't require an internship.

 

[briankirby]

To get a surgery residency, you will need to get a rotating internship first. Internships, especially academic programs, are fairly competitive with about 50% of applicants accepted. Surgery residencies are even more competitive.

Clinical nutrition residencies are less competitive and some programs don't require an internship.

Thanks for your help mate.
What kind of things are programme directors looking for in applicants?Do u know any foreign grads in these residencies?
Also,what would be your opinion on clinical nutrition as a career?
Cheers
brian

 

[Bill59]

The most important factors are academic performance, recommendations and experience. I know several foreign grads that have done surgery residencies. I don't personally know any in nutrition residencies but I suspect there are.

Most nutritionists are either in academics (teaching, research, clinical) or industry (research, consultation). I think the job prospects are pretty good and salary in industry is generally very good. Of course the most important thing is whether or not you have a burning desire to do nutrition.

 

[briankirby]

The most important factors are academic performance, recommendations and experience. I know several foreign grads that have done surgery residencies. I don't personally know any in nutrition residencies but I suspect there are.

Most nutritionists are either in academics (teaching, research, clinical) or industry (research, consultation). I think the job prospects are pretty good and salary in industry is generally very good. Of course the most important thing is whether or not you have a burning desire to do nutrition.

Very very thankful for your informative reply.
Ya nutrition would interest me though so would surgery.
Im also half considering med school due to financial reasons.
I think i like vet more,though.
How difficult is it to get a rotating internship in the US?
Also,what are the hours like in residency?(compared to an MD)
Thanks

 

[Bill59]

Statistically, about half the applicants match for a rotating internship. (Unlike MD, not all DVMs do post-gradutae training).

Residency hours depend on the speciality, as with MD. Some are 80+ hours/week, like surgery. Some are 40 hours/week with minimal call, like nutrition.

 

[briankirby]

Thanks mate for your help.
May i also ask why surgery is more competitive than nutrition,despite similar financial outcome?
Furthermore,are good grades in vet school along wih good NAVLE the main things i need to work on order to get that elusive internship?
Also,if peole keep applying do they eventually get it even if they miss out the first couple of times?
Thanks

Statistically, about half the applicants match for a rotating internship. (Unlike MD, not all DVMs do post-gradutae training).

Residency hours depend on the speciality, as with MD. Some are 80+ hours/week, like surgery. Some are 40 hours/week with minimal call, like nutrition.

 

[Bill59]

May i also ask why surgery is more competitive than nutrition,despite similar financial outcome?

Because financial considerations are not the main reason people pick a specialty. In fact if that was the only consideration, we would all be MDs or something.

Ultimately, how hard it is to get a particular residency is a matter of supply and demand. And right now there are a lot of people that want to do surgery compared to the number of slots. There just aren't that many that have a burning desire to do nutrition.

Furthermore,are good grades in vet school along wih good NAVLE the main things i need to work on order to get that elusive internship?

Good grades and recommendations. NAVLE score doesn't matter.

Also,if peole keep applying do they eventually get it even if they miss out the first couple of times?

I think most people move on to something else if they don't get an internship after the first few tries, although I don't know if there are any actual statistics on that.

 

[sunshinevet]

We have nothing like that here.

When you say that, are you talking about nutrition or residencies in general?

I would be surprised that you could not do a residency in nutrition in the UK - and you can definately do one in surgery!

 

[Bill59]

European Society of Veterinary Comparative Nutrition

 

[briankirby]

When you say that, are you talking about nutrition or residencies in general?

I would be surprised that you could not do a residency in nutrition in the UK - and you can definately do one in surgery!

Well,im not actually speaking of the uk,per se.
Im irish and the vets iv spoken to highly recommend Oz or Usa.
How competitive is specialty training in Oz?
Judging by your username u may live there?🙂
Thanks

 

[briankirby]

European Society of Veterinary Comparative Nutrition

Cheers Bill,
Thanks for your help

 

[Ben and Me]

We have a ton of foreign vet grads (with fun accents!) who are residents at Penn. So yes, very possible.

If your school is AVMA accredited, I'd imagine that there's a fair number of Americans in your class. If so, they might be a good resource -- many of them are probably familiar with vet schools in the US, and may have met some residents during their pre-vet years.

 

[sunshinevet]

Well,im not actually speaking of the uk,per se.
Im irish and the vets iv spoken to highly recommend Oz or Usa.
How competitive is specialty training in Oz?
Judging by your username u may live there?🙂
Thanks

Speciality training here is quite competative, because positions are so few and far between. Only ~4 uni's offer residency training, and these residencies don't come up every year. There are also a few private practices that offer residency training, but these are very few too, and mainly in Sydney and Melbourne.

Most people here who specialise (especially in surgery) go to the US or UK to do it. So if I were you, I'd look closer to home 🙂

 

[briankirby]

That is good to hear.
Any chance u can tell me what their visa situation is like?
Do they get to stay in the US to practice afterwards?
Thanks for ur help

We have a ton of foreign vet grads (with fun accents!) who are residents at Penn. So yes, very possible.

If your school is AVMA accredited, I'd imagine that there's a fair number of Americans in your class. If so, they might be a good resource -- many of them are probably familiar with vet schools in the US, and may have met some residents during their pre-vet years.

 

[briankirby]

Interesting,i didnt know this.
I know an irish vet who is specialising in sydney uni at the minute so i probably jumped to conclusions.
Cheers

Speciality training here is quite competative, because positions are so few and far between. Only ~4 uni's offer residency training, and these residencies don't come up every year. There are also a few private practices that offer residency training, but these are very few too, and mainly in Sydney and Melbourne.

Most people here who specialise (especially in surgery) go to the US or UK to do it. So if I were you, I'd look closer to home 🙂

 

[briankirby]

The most important factors are academic performance, recommendations and experience. I know several foreign grads that have done surgery residencies. I don't personally know any in nutrition residencies but I suspect there are.

Most nutritionists are either in academics (teaching, research, clinical) or industry (research, consultation). I think the job prospects are pretty good and salary in industry is generally very good. Of course the most important thing is whether or not you have a burning desire to do nutrition.

Sorry Bill,
Just to ask another question.
How many places actually offer clinical nutrition residencies?
I cant seem to find anything on it really and it appears they are few in number.
Also,what grades do they look for in those who are considering specialties?
Thanks

 

[Ben and Me]

You are lucky since the VIRMP is still open.

www.virmp.org

Search for Clinical Nutrition. Unfortunately only lists the "open spots" -- other schools may have residencies but aren't looking for a new resident for this year. There are 2 listed currently.

 

[briankirby]

You are lucky since the VIRMP is still open.

www.virmp.org

Search for Clinical Nutrition. Unfortunately only lists the "open spots" -- other schools may have residencies but aren't looking for a new resident for this year. There are 2 listed currently.

Thanks mate.
Do u guys know any nutrition residents/graduates?Id love to speak to them as there seems so little info.
Also,any idea how competitive it is to get a place for this specialty?(my school is avma accredited though im a foreign grad)
Thanks