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What are your guys general feelings on SSRI's? overused? underused?
What are your guys general feelings on SSRI's? overused? underused?
Yes.
Interestingly enough, even though you didn't answer my question, I agree with you. Care to explain though?
i see a lot of patients who are on these medications continuously and i serouisly doubt whether anyone has addressed that they be stopped- or could be stopped.
Moreover, I see demented patients on ssri's and question their benefit.
Lastly, I see plenty of patients who simply get stuck on ssri's without any counseling. Which i think is counter to how it should be done.
It just seems like a lot of inappropriate oversight/starting/continuation i see with a lot of these meds. I'm not implicating anyone, it just seems there is a lot of misuse.
Another problem is several docs seemingly are giving one & only 1 SSRI, and not picking the SSRI that best matches the patient's profile. Not something that I'd expect a non-psychiatrist to know.
You answered your own question. I also see them not used in places where they would be appropriate, low-cost, non-addictive interventions for mood and anxiety problems--but where the patient has been given something more expensive and second-line from the sample cabinet, or based on advertising, or they've been given benzos inappropriately.
In my anecdotal experience, I've seen a pretty consistent trend of, "learn two meds in each class really well" approach. There is something a bit problematic with staking your trust in something like Prozac and Paxil and passing on the rest.
What is really pathetic is when a psychiatrist does this approach, and unfortunately I've seen quite a bit of that too. The GPs I understand, and I'm sure those GPs could break me in 2 if comparing my knowledge of antiobiotics or other non-psychiatric areas vs theirs. However if a psychiatrist pulled this level of shameful performance--this is a lowdown insult to the profession.
If we look at the structure of SSRIs, there are actually no similarities.
They do come in very different bottles...Well, there is always citalopram and escitalopram.
They do come in very different bottles...
One explained to me that it is a common way to train...because "they can't be experts on everything."
not necessarily overused or underused, but definitely overemphasized.
I sometimes think we psychiatrists are trained to think inside the box too much--that box being the use of meds.
For example, another mental health professional I know of successfully treated someone someone's panic attack through psychotherapy. The therapist used CBT, got the person to be able to tell when a panic attack was going to come on, and that person would leave work for a 20 minutes, go right outside to an area that was alright- scream & punch a punching bag, and after that, they were fine & able to get back to work. The boss knew what was going on & was fine with it.
Meds are more effective, but several psychiatrists would not even consider the psychotherapy aspects in treatment, and meds + psychotherapy is the most effective treatment. To spread around the blame---its largely due to the way managed care has tied our hands. No meds prescribed--no pay from them. They don't reimburse for psychotherapy.
I sometimes think we psychiatrists are trained to think inside the box too much--that box being the use of meds.
For example, another mental health professional I know of successfully treated someone someone's panic attack through psychotherapy. The therapist used CBT, got the person to be able to tell when a panic attack was going to come on, and that person would leave work for a 20 minutes...etc
Meds are more effective, but several psychiatrists would not even consider the psychotherapy aspects in treatment, and meds + psychotherapy is the most effective treatment. To spread around the blame---its largely due to the way managed care has tied our hands. No meds prescribed--no pay from them. They don't reimburse for psychotherapy.
Yes they do.
Especially now that new data is coming out.
And as I already mentioned newer studies are showing that meds aren't THAT effective. Eventually, I'll hope at least, this will mean that insurance will look more favorably on talk therapy.
Just for some perspective, I recently performed a meta-analysis of the effect of exercise on depression, which netted an effect size three times that of SSRIs.
Wasn't the effect of exercise (not vs. SSRI therapy) just refuted in the archives? Too lazy/tired to look up ref now.
Agree with you MOM.. (no joke intended). Its been my clinical opinion that antidepressants work but don't work well. I'm just calling that 1 study in question. Nothing against you.
There are other STAR*D studies that back the same, though their numbers yield more efficacy for antidepressants vs the other study.
I don't know what institution/program you're at, but if you were taught that study, I hope that you were also given the contextual data that all meds have the same problems against them that were brought up in the study. The problem I got with the way it was presented in the media was it focused on antidepressants, but let all other meds off the hook when they too have these failings.
WHICH IS WHY ONE CHOOSES TO SPECIALIZE ONLY IN PSYCHIATRY!!!! Good grief, how did these people get through med school?Sadly I've heard this approach verbatim by multiple psychiatrists I've come across in my work. One explained to me that it is a common way to train...because "they can't be experts on everything."...