St George's?

[Knicks17]

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Hey guys, past month i have been seeing a load of flyers about St George's, University of London medical school around campus. Any thoughts on this school?

 

[Cotterpin]

Are you interested in practicing medicine in England?

 

[AnonPanda1]

If you want to be a half a million dollars in debt with about a 25% chance of success, St George's is excellent.

 

[JustAPhD]

Certainly not as bad as the other St. Georges, but certainly still a risk if you want to practice in the states.

EDIT: See Gonnif's post below.

 

[Mad Jack]

Do you ever see Harvard or Hopkins putting up flyers in your school?

 

[sullen-burger]

Do you ever see Harvard or Hopkins putting up flyers in your school?

I imagine if they went to school to either Harvard or Hopkins then yes, they would see them putting up flyers in their school.











...but point taken.

 

[Knicks17]

Well I was just curios, I want to go to a US MD or DO school but its always good to know about the other schools. Apparently you do your rotations in chigago and they have a 90 percent match rate?? i don't buy the match rate percentage

 

[sullen-burger]

I think I remember seeing that 50% of US graduates from foreign schools match into residency programs compared to whatever the current >94% amount is for US medical school graduates. If I may ask, why are you looking for schools abroad?

Do you particularly love the idea of schooling in London? Are you concerned about competitiveness of your score for MD/DO schools in the US? Family, financial, friends?

 

[Knicks17]

I mean i like London visited their a couple of times so i was curios that they had a USMLE related med school. I am only a sophomore so i have a lot of time, and I want to stay in my home state of NY!

 

[Cotterpin]

If you want to practice medicine in the United States, then you should study medicine in the United States. Other routes are very risky.

 

[sullen-burger]

That's definitely fine and all but I would say in general that it's better to train here than to go abroad and try to come back, from what I understand.

I haven't looked this up in a while so anyone else who knows more feel free to chime in.

 

[Knicks17]

Yeah, still have a lot of worked to put in. Whats your guys opinion on applying after graduation. My plan is to take the mcat summer/ fall junior try to get a 35 plus and then apply supper early the next cycle?

 

[sullen-burger]

There's a new MCAT out, I don't know if you've heard or not, so that scale no longer applies (unless of course you just like using the old metrics for point of reference).

I will also say that you make sure you read up on on the process and thoroughly understand what all goes into a good candidate: the MCAT, your grades, ECs, pre-reqs, the places you'd like to apply based on GPA/MCAT, and the AMCAS applying process in general. Google is your friend.

To answer your question, applying year and entering school the fall after your senior year is common, so that sounds like a good plan.

Whoops, just realized you said apply after graduation. That involves taking a gap year, which is also common, but requires you to be doing something for a year after college so, that involves planning ahead. Any particular reason you'd take a gap year rather than apply junior year?

Also, as far as the MCAT, aim to take it when you feel most prepared to ace it. Study well and take lots of practice tests rather than aim for a certain score. Study first, the score comes later.

 

[Mwooster]

I imagine if they went to school to either Harvard or Hopkins then yes, they would see them putting up flyers in their school.


...but point taken.

Clearly not a student or alum of either Harvard or Hopkins... Or spent a good amount of time on either one...

No, neither HMS nor Hopkins Med post on their undergrad campuses

 

[LutGholein]

I wonder if St. George University of London medical school ever gets pissed at SGU(Caribbean) for causing confusion.

 

[Turkishking]

If you don't have any connections through family, don't go. I know a neurosurgeon who sent his son to Poland. Through connections, he got him a residency in Cleveland.

 

[Knicks17]

I was using the mcat metrics as a metric reference point, i meant to say i want to get like a 515 or above. I want to apply senior year because by that time i feel like my app would be pretty strong my EC's/ grades would be solid enough. My gap year i would probably still work as a Medical assistant, keep volunteering and might travel overseas. Theres a couple reasons i want to apply after graduation, 1st I don't like to rush the process i want to ensure my best chances, 2nd i want to ensure my gpa is the highest possible when applying (got off to a slow start freshmen year 3.2 gpa) but I'm doing much better now . And i just want a year off to relax and reset before i HOPEFULLY go to med school!

 

[Wittgenstein]

Random thought: Do schools like St. George's (Carib) let you defer after acceptance or are they like DO schools which don't let you defer?

 

[Knicks17]

I wouldn't know about that maybe a senior poster could let us know?

 

[Lawpy]

Well I was just curios, I want to go to a US MD or DO school but its always good to know about the other schools. Apparently you do your rotations in chigago and they have a 90 percent match rate?? i don't buy the match rate percentage

not really. there is no reason to unless you want to end up practicing over there. if you want to practice in the US, your focus should only be on getting into US MD and/or US DO schools.

 

[JustAPhD]

NO. NO, NO. This is NOT the St. George's University of London that British Citizens attend. While they may attend some of the same courses, this is a separately administered program and run as any other international medical school program. My dealings with there US staff have left me baffled. For example, the MedEdPath (University of Queensland Australia) program has US staff with actual medical and premedical experience at NY area schools. The SGUL had sales staff from ITT level places.

I would also say for purposes of residency, ironically, it may be worse than SGU/Grenada. Why? Residency programs know the SGU in the Caribbean and what they pump out in their machine. Most programs in the US will have no idea of the graduates that SGUL produce.

I would be very wary of this program without hard data from the school :
How many Americans start the program?
Percent who complete and earn a degree
Percent who match into a US residency
Percent who find any residency slot via non-match methods

Ah, my apologies then. I did think this was the one British citizens attend.

 

[Knicks17]

Yeah US MD is my main goal, I have 5 doctors in the family that graduated from ivy med schools so i know the route i want to take. There a like a million poster over campus not even exaggerating so i just wanted to ask about it !!

 

[sullen-burger]

Yeah US MD is my main goal, I have 5 doctors in the family that graduated from ivy med schools so i know the route i want to take. There a like a million poster over campus not even exaggerating so i just wanted to ask about it !!

We're great and all at SDN but those family members sound like great source material for in-depth advise! Make sure you talk with them about these things if you don't already. Good luck to you.

 

[Knicks17]

Yeah but they live far and don't see them often and they're really busy but they promised me shadowing hours and advice so i look forward to that!

 

[Mad Jack]

Yeah, still have a lot of worked to put in. Whats your guys opinion on applying after graduation. My plan is to take the mcat summer/ fall junior try to get a 35 plus and then apply supper early the next cycle?

Oh yeah, just try and get a 35. I did that. It was ****in' eeeeasy bro 🙄

Really, you have to remember a 35 (or whatever its current equivalent now is) is a 96th percentile score. Amongst the people who don't wash out. You're competing with the best and the brightest from the nation, so don't count your chickens before you hatch. I do wish you the best of luck (hell, if I did it, you certainly can), but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

 

[libertyyne]

Oh yeah, just try and get a 35. I did that. It was ****in' eeeeasy bro 🙄

Really, you have to remember a 35 (or whatever its current equivalent now is) is a 96th percentile score. Amongst the people who don't wash out. You're competing with the best and the brightest from the nation, so don't count your chickens before you hatch. I do wish you the best of luck (hell, if I did it, you certainly can), but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

+1
35+or 516 + scores just don't happen, there is an incredible amount of effort required for mere mortals like me .

 

[Lawpy]

Oh yeah, just try and get a 35. I did that. It was ****in' eeeeasy bro 🙄

Really, you have to remember a 35 (or whatever its current equivalent now is) is a 96th percentile score. Amongst the people who don't wash out. You're competing with the best and the brightest from the nation, so don't count your chickens before you hatch. I do wish you the best of luck (hell, if I did it, you certainly can), but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

+1
35+or 516 + scores just don't happen, there is an incredible amount of effort required for mere mortals like me .

Although if you assume the MCAT test taker population consists entirely of SDNers, the average MCAT score would be around 35/517, not 25/500.

I think an average SDNer is a lot more prepared and successful in doing well in the MCAT and getting into medical school than an average premed. But I can be totally wrong on this.

 

[libertyyne]

Although if you assume the MCAT test taker population consists entirely of SDNers, the average MCAT score would be around 35/517, not 25/500.

There are plenty of 500s floating around they just don't get flaunted as often ☺

 

[Lawpy]

There are plenty of 500s floating around they just don't get flaunted as often ☺

yeah true and i'm admittedly relying on self-reported data, which has its own biases.

 

[WedgeDawg]

Do you ever see Harvard or Hopkins putting up flyers in your school?

Actually I've seen Harvard Med flyers up at a non-Harvard school