Starting intern year on service: how to prepare?

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I guess I drew the short straw and I will be starting intern year on the family med service. I know the general rule prior to starting residency is to take it easy and not study (hard to do when the knowledge leaking from my brain daily is palpable, and it's really freaking me out), but I was wondering if anybody has other suggestions on how to make the transition go as smoothly as possible. Just looking for things others might be wishing they had done prior to coming in.

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Same here, except mine is exsanguinating. I am especially troubled by the fact that, even for a simple anticoagulation therapy for PE/DVT, Afib, cardioembolic stroke, etc., I tend to forget a lot of details/get confused. If someone comes in with one of these conditions, I would just freeze and wouldn't know what to do right away. Not sure if this is normal or if my brain has passed prime time. How do I cement these 'algorithms', so I know what to do without consulting UpToDate?

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Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here ----

heheheh --- you are screwed, doo'd and tattoo'd --- heheheh --- Ah, yes, fresh meat on the service -- all you can hope for is kind upper levels who actually want to help you --

My experience sucked -- the seniors didn't teach anything, period -- worked hard to make fools out of the interns, fed us wrong information and never owned up to it, would make us wait during nighttime checkout while they BS'd with their friends who were coming on as night float without releasing us to go home, while they didn't make us they strongly hinted that if we didn't sandbag our hours, we would get chewed out/questioned as being incompetent because we couldn't do "everything" in the 40hours (or whatever) allotted.... hell, they treated medical students with more respect and taught them more than their own interns.....

Now, real upper levels/services will generally have a few weeks to get you signed off on all procedures, have noontime teaching conferences with specialists, let you have responsibility for less than 10 patients, set up a learning environment where you can ask questions, etc. You'll come out of your first month feeling a bit shellshocked but confident, 2nd month -- you got this -- 3rd month -- no sweat, do it in my sleep.

What can you do? Well ---

1) Run through admission orders -- most are automated but just go through them and look up the considerations now -- pay attention to DVT PPx, GI PPx, PRN meds -- pain, fever, HTN, cough, etc. with orders to contact you if it's a new occurrence.
2) also look at when do you order PT/OT evals, ambulation orders, activity orders, dietary orders
3) recall the basics of: CHF exac, COPD exac, DKA, hyperglycemia, cellulitis, asthma exac, pancreatitis, cirrhosis with ascites, pneumonia, DVT, pulmonary embolism, hypo/hypernatremia with FeNa and the other one you use when they're on diuretics -- you know, most of the stuff they get admitted for --- if your residency is anal retentive, you might memorize Well's/Ranson's criteria, PNA admission criteria (I forget the name), and the basics of treatment for the common admissions;
4) recall how to correct potassium, magnesium.

Get a Pocket Medicine by Mass General (used to be a little red book) -- they make blank pages the size of the book -- you can find what you need in there and use blank pages to make notes -- keep that freakin' book -- you'll use it until you graduate -- and afterwards if you're going to be a hospitalist...

5) Get good at reading EKGs and XRays -- highly pimpable material --- learn how to correct hyponatremia/hypernatremia -- again, highly pimpable material.

If you've got all of the above, you're ahead of the game -- expect shell shock -- now you're responsible ----

ONE KEY POINT: "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer --- ever; "I'm not sure, let me check on it and get back with you" is ok -- it implies that you're concerned, proactive and taking responsibility as a physician.

ANOTHER KEY POINT: You're a physician now -- act like one --- as an intern, I expect you to be able to identify a patient over a water fountain 2 out of 3 times, know how to do a PE, take an H&P -- at least have the info and give it to me in a coherent fashion and have a rough idea of the large chunks of what could be going on and the basics of what to do --- for example -- "Sir, this is a 54 y/o WM with a 3 day history of fever and productive cough. He's got a 40 p/y history of smoking and quit 2 years ago. He now has COPD -- given this, he's being admitted for a COPD exacerbation -- I'm starting A/A nebs Q2H, steroids Q6H and IV abx QD -- 2L of O2 by NC to keep sats above 92" That's your one liner to let me know you've got this under control -- I'll expect a formal presentation later when your note is done -- if I ask, and I will, you better have a choice of abx and dosage ready and be able to defend why that one rather than choice 2 or 3. It would impress me if you could cite the criteria you're using to help you make your decisions.

In other words, talk to me as a colleague -- remember your place on the team (i.e. don't be disrespectful or challenging in your attitude) but communicate to me like you're a physician, not some student who blows things off or isn't aware of the totality of the picture. Make me think you've got it under control -- I will be checking up on you either directly by prowling the chart or indirectly by talking with your upper levels who I trust -- don't try to BS me -- If you make a mistake, own up to it.

Also -- DO NOT try to pass blame for your screw-ups onto someone else -- that will make me want to squash you like a bug -- don't make me squash bugs.

If you don't know, look it up -- if you have questions, demonstrate that you have looked it up ("Sir, the book says that in this situation, we should use this abx for the patient -- it does look like he fits that criteria but I'm not sure. I couldn't find anything in the literature to say one way or the other?) and then ask the questions -- hopefully, your seniors will take care of this and coach you to make you look good.

And for God's sake, get there before the seniors do and leave when you're told to or after the seniors leave when the work is done. It's a right of passage.
 
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Thanks for such a fantastic answer. Not gonna lie, that first half of your post I was like 🙂🙂🙂 and then after reading the last half I was more like :scared:
 
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I worry about this as well... Primarily because I'm not matched into my top spots where I know what's going on. I matched into a lower spot (d/t location) that I did a rotation with the people I'm with in my 2nd and 3rd years, but not intern year... That frightens me... I have no idea what these people are like, and I'm the first class to go through this program... the program was previously using a different hospital for their intern year... It's a 1+2 program, so I do my intern year in one spot and remaining in another... so yeah... intern year could suck giant donkey balls, or maybe not be so bad...

Regardless this is all great advice...

@JustPlainBill , any advice for making crappy 3rd years not suck so much? Idk if you have any suggestions if we find ourselves in a situation like yours...
 
I worry about this as well... Primarily because I'm not matched into my top spots where I know what's going on. I matched into a lower spot (d/t location) that I did a rotation with the people I'm with in my 2nd and 3rd years, but not intern year... That frightens me... I have no idea what these people are like, and I'm the first class to go through this program... the program was previously using a different hospital for their intern year... It's a 1+2 program, so I do my intern year in one spot and remaining in another... so yeah... intern year could suck giant donkey balls, or maybe not be so bad...

Regardless this is all great advice...

@JustPlainBill , any advice for making crappy 3rd years not suck so much? Idk if you have any suggestions if we find ourselves in a situation like yours...
Generally, the best med students try to act like interns and are very proactive, ask questions (even better if they give their rationale for something and ask for clarification). Some programs require them to look stuff up and present, others don't.
 
Generally, the best med students try to act like interns and are very proactive, ask questions (even better if they give their rationale for something and ask for clarification). Some programs require them to look stuff up and present, others don't.
That really doesn't answer my questions at all. I am coming into an intern year that is completely unknown by me, or even my program. I interviewed with the people, but honestly didn't like the people who I'll be working with intern year. I guess I can say "it's only for a year"... I'm not a medical student starting July 1st...
 
Thanks for such a fantastic answer. Not gonna lie, that first half of your post I was like 🙂🙂🙂 and then after reading the last half I was more like :scared:

Listen bud (or budette depending on your preference) -- you got this -- the hardest part is the politics and if you just work hard and try to remain pleasant/positive the whole time, you'll be fine. It's actually kind of entertaining for the third years to watch new interns show up -- gives them a chance to ask,"Was I really this clueless" and the answer is "yes, probably worse" -- take it all in stride --

One thing they can't do is stop time -- you will cross that magical step into PGY2 and then PGY3 and then Attending/BE and then Attending/BC -- just don't quit.
 
@JustPlainBill , any advice for making crappy 3rd years not suck so much? Idk if you have any suggestions if we find ourselves in a situation like yours...

I really don't have any -- I took the "Tell them they're external anal sphincters, would fail the pinhead test and that their IQ test came back negative" approach which got me a whole lot of scutwork, no food and DREs -- why I even had it out in a screaming match with the Chief Resident, went full value assertive (NOT aggressive) male on her and she flipped out -- but there were other issues going on with her that I won't go into ---

when I was a third year, our Chief was a schmoozer who wanted to make his life easier at the expense of his colleagues -- he was such a brown noser that he took several 'academic studies' months that he could have done a specialization in them, didn't fulfill all the requirements of inpatient medicine that the rest of us had to and still graduated -- yeah, let's just say I am not in contact with him in any for any reason right now ---

to make it easier ---

Really, just make it so that you don't have to go to them for help, fly below the radar, do your work -- when they try to agitate you, let it roll of your back and they'll get bored with it and move on to the next intern. If they give you data/info, always verify it yourself.

Above all, keep a journal/log of everything that happens every day -- dates/times/places/who was present/who said what -- it can come in handy if they try to fry your butt -- get something on everyone if you can and be prepared to pull the ace in the hole if you need to ---

Let me think it through and I'll try to get back with you....
 
That really doesn't answer my questions at all. I am coming into an intern year that is completely unknown by me, or even my program. I interviewed with the people, but honestly didn't like the people who I'll be working with intern year. I guess I can say "it's only for a year"... I'm not a medical student starting July 1st...

My bad, I misread your line of "Crappy 3rd years" and read it as a crappy 3rd year in med school.
How do you know you'll hate them if you never worked with them?
 
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to make it easier ---

Really, just make it so that you don't have to go to them for help, fly below the radar, do your work -- when they try to agitate you, let it roll of your back and they'll get bored with it and move on to the next intern. If they give you data/info, always verify it yourself.

Above all, keep a journal/log of everything that happens every day -- dates/times/places/who was present/who said what -- it can come in handy if they try to fry your butt -- get something on everyone if you can and be prepared to pull the ace in the hole if you need to ---

Let me think it through and I'll try to get back with you....
Okay, so be my mafioso self for now... which is the collect dirt and never use it unless I have to, and always have favors owed to me, never owe favors to anyone... 😉


My bad, I misread your line of "Crappy 3rd years" and read it as a crappy 3rd year in med school.
How do you know you'll hate them if you never worked with them?
No worries!!! I'm going to try to make this make sense to more than me (because it makes sense in my head but it's hard to transfer)...
So the place I matched was 11/14 on my list. Primarily due to location. If I could have based it on personality they would have been ~5. The place I'm doing intern year I had at 12/14, and they probably would have stayed there regardless of location. I didn't get a good feel when I was there. So, I don't honestly know whether or not it will be bad, it's just a concern.
 
Okay, so be my mafioso self for now... which is the collect dirt and never use it unless I have to, and always have favors owed to me, never owe favors to anyone... 😉



No worries!!! I'm going to try to make this make sense to more than me (because it makes sense in my head but it's hard to transfer)...
So the place I matched was 11/14 on my list. Primarily due to location. If I could have based it on personality they would have been ~5. The place I'm doing intern year I had at 12/14, and they probably would have stayed there regardless of location. I didn't get a good feel when I was there. So, I don't honestly know whether or not it will be bad, it's just a concern.

Wait, are you going into a specialty other than FM?
I'm probably a little slow right now as my brain is fried after doing 122 Qs from the 2012 ITE, but I'm confused. You say you matched at program 11/4 but then mention the place you're doing intern year was ranked 12/14. Are you doing an intern year elsewhere then joining as a second year at the 11th ranked program?
 
Wait, are you going into a specialty other than FM?
I'm probably a little slow right now as my brain is fried after doing 122 Qs from the 2012 ITE, but I'm confused. You say you matched at program 11/4 but then mention the place you're doing intern year was ranked 12/14. Are you doing an intern year elsewhere then joining as a second year at the 11th ranked program?
That's why I said it's confusing...

So the program I matched into is very small, and so they run us as interns with a larger program so that intern year isn't unmanageable. So I had to interview at both places, and technically I applied to both places, but I liked the small program much better. So my intern year runs with another bigger program, then I split off and do a rural program for the remaining 2 years...
 
That's why I said it's confusing...

So the program I matched into is very small, and so they run us as interns with a larger program so that intern year isn't unmanageable. So I had to interview at both places, and technically I applied to both places, but I liked the small program much better. So my intern year runs with another bigger program, then I split off and do a rural program for the remaining 2 years...

Ok, glad to know my comprehension wasn't completely off.
It's only 1 year, keep your head down, make friends, be dependable and have a good attitude about it.
 
Ok, glad to know my comprehension wasn't completely off.
It's only 1 year, keep your head down, make friends, be dependable and have a good attitude about it.
Fair enough... 😉 I'm betting I've worked in worse conditions...
 
Uhhhh yeah...
I've worked with some pretty terrible people... like psychotic and mean... and they were my boss... wheeee
 
You're good then.
Like one of them got demoted after 3 years of torment, I was so excited I called my whole family and was crying... she was F'ing evil... her name is melody... she's sadistic...
 
Okay, so be my mafioso self for now... which is the collect dirt and never use it unless I have to, and always have favors owed to me, never owe favors to anyone... 😉
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I never said be your mafioso self....but coming from a Sicilian bloodline myself, perhaps it would behoove you to watch the 6 hour cable TV movie titled,"The Godfather Epic" which is a chronological sequence of the first 2 Godfather movies to brush up on certain interpersonal skills that you may find useful, ok paisan?
 
I already have watched it... 😉 bwahahahahahaha
 
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