States That Allow You To Sit Step 3

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Originally posted by The Pill Counter
Does anyone know the handful of States that allow you to write Step 3 before completing the first year of internship?
Is Ohio part of that list?
Let me know.

Check this out. As IMGs, we are interested in the last two columns on the right, which should say NONE and NO respectively. I think any states that say NONE and NO are states where we can fly to this spring and take Step 3... before starting our PGY-1s.

My question is this: Does it matter which state we take this bad boy in? Or can we really do just what I stated above... fly to... for example Arkansas... take the exam, go to a rodeo, and go home? Will the state and post-graduate time that we take the exam have any implications on our post-residency plans? Thanks in advance.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Cuts
Check this out. As IMGs, we are interested in the last two columns on the right, which should say NONE and NO respectively. I think any states that say NONE and NO are states where we can fly to this spring and take Step 3... before starting our PGY-1s.

My question is this: Does it matter which state we take this bad boy in? Or can we really do just what I stated above... fly to... for example Arkansas... take the exam, go to a rodeo, and go home? Will the state and post-graduate time that we take the exam have any implications on our post-residency plans? Thanks in advance.

I've always thought that it goes like this: you take it in state "X", and other states will grant you reciprocity.

Here in the northeast, it seems like every FMG goes to Connecticut, and there is no problem getting the limited license in NY. This is what I base my schema on.
 
Apollyon,

are you saying that you can take the Step 3 in CT even if you are doing a residency in NY and licensure carries over? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of having different rules in NY? I would think that NY would like to prevent people from doing so and not accept transfers. Anyhow, just trying to understand this issue and the surrounding rules better.
 
I haven't investigated it closely, but I know that people were (and are) sitting Step III before even starting a residency. However, I cannot say if the people are licensed or not. I wish I knew, but it just didn't click at the time.
 
So what does NONE and YES mean, respectively, as in the case of New York?
 
I think this means you must sign up for a license, which involves having gathered and organized a significant amount of paperwork as well as forking over the license fee at the time you schedule your Step 3 exam.

Admission Requirements for USMLE Step 3
You must submit an application for New York State licensure+fee and satisfy all professional education requirements for New York State licensure as well as any requirements of the USMLE before you can be admitted to USMLE Step 3. To sit for USMLE Step 3, you must have satisfactorily completed USMLE Step 1 and Step 2.

USMLE Step 3 is administered by the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB). You should contact FSMB by telephone at (817) 571-2949 or by fax at (817) 868-4098 to request information on registering for the examination.

In turn, to apply for licensure, you must have done the following:
1. Verifying Your Credentials
To ensure authenticity of credentials, the New York State Education Department's Office of the Professions requires that your qualifications for licensure be verified independently. [....]
To assist in the evaluation process, applicants educated outside the U.S. must submit photocopies of their original education credentials with their licensure application and fee. If the credentials are not in English, your submission of translations, if available, would be helpful. You may be asked to provide acceptable official translations of all or part of these education credentials at a later date. Please note that we cannot officially evaluate your education and you will not be licensed until we receive the required independent verification directly from the organization where you met the requirement.

2. Education Requirements
To satisfy the education requirements for licensure as a physician, you must present evidence of both Preprofessional Education & Professional Education. Completion of an acceptable medical education program of at least six years may satisfy Preprofessional Education & Professional Education requirement.

Graduates of Nonaccredited Medical Programs (i.e. schools abroad) require Satisfactory completion of the following:
A curriculum of not less than 32 months (4 academic years) in a medical program recognized as an acceptable educational program for physicians by the appropriate civil authorities of the country in which the school is located and receipt of the degree of Doctor of Medicine, Doctor of Osteopathy, or the equivalent as determined by the Department. You must complete the final year of medical education at the school which awarded you the degree.
A satisfactory proficiency examination. Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) certification will satisfy this requirement. [A PDF version of the Request for Status Report of ECFMG Certification is on the ECFMG site.] A satisfactory diplomate certificate earned by examination may be accepted by the Department in lieu of ECFMG certification.
"Fifth Pathway" Applicants
Applicants wishing to qualify under the provisions of Section 6528 of the Education Law must complete a "Fifth Pathway" program.

Clinical Clerkships
Clinical clerkships must be performed in accordance with the laws and regulations of the jurisdiction in which they take place.
If you graduated from a non- LCME-accredited medical school located in one country but completed one or more clinical clerkships in a different country, those clerkships must be certified (Form 2CC) For each hospital in which you have completed such a clerkship, the Director of Medical Education or Department Chair must certify your completion of the clerkships.

Child Abuse Identification Reporting
Each applicant for licensure as a physician or for a limited permit in this profession must complete coursework or training in the identification and reporting of child abuse according to Section 6507 (3)(a) of the Education Law.

Infection Control and Barrier Precautions
Each applicant for licensure as a physician and all physicians and holders of limited permits to practice medicine must complete course work or training appropriate to their practice regarding infection control and barrier precautions, including engineering and work controls to prevent the transmission of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and the hepatitis b virus (HBV) in the course of professional practice, every four years according to Chapter 786 of the Laws of 1992. You must attest to having completed this requirement to the State Education Department on your first licensure/registration application and at each subsequent registration.

Experience
Postgraduate Training Requirements
Graduates of Registered or Accredited Medical Programs
If you graduated from a NYS-registered or LCME - or AOA-accredited medical program or are pursuing the 5th Pathway route to licensure, you must complete at least one year of postgraduate hospital training in an accredited residency program approved by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, the American Osteopathic Association, or the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.

Graduates of Nonaccredited Medical Programs
If you did not graduate from a NYS-registered or LCME- or AOA-accredited medical program, you must complete at least three years of postgraduate hospital training in an accredited residency program approved by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, the American Osteopathic Association, or the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada. For more information, contact the Office of the Professions' Bureau of Comparative Education by phone at (518) 474-3817, ext. 300, by fax at (518) 486-2966, or by email at [email protected]

Please Note: Completion of postgraduate training is not required for admission to USMLE Step 3.
 
Originally posted by The Pill Counter
So what does NONE and YES mean, respectively, as in the case of New York?

Well... I thought it meant that you have to apply for licensure at the same time you apply for Step 3. But you can't apply for licensure without doing 1 year of GME right? But the other column clearly says NONE 😕! Thanks a lot Pill Counter... now I'm confused too 😉...
 
I think it means that you don't have to apply for licensure concurrently with applying for the exam. If you wanted to take it for NY, you would. Just filing the licensure app cost $$$ and is very intensive in terms of getting together all of the documents, I think. I think NONE in the right column just means you don't have to go through all that when you apply for the exam, you have to do it to get licensed though.

This is all speculation on my part though. The other IMGs that I know that are taking this exam now are also taking it in CT.
 
This doesn't have anything to do with the post, but I just wanted to ask.... why in hell do you want to go to Ohio? 🙂 hehe. I'm from Ohio, actually (go bucks!) I guess Cleveland Clinic is there, but...not a heck of a whole lot else!
 
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