Stats for dpm school?

[MedPR]

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Just curious. What kind of gpa/mcat do most pod schools look for?
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[MaxillofacialMN]

Just curious. What kind of gpa/mcat do most pod schools look for?
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MedPR are you considering pod?!!?!?! YOU SHOULD!!!!


Average MCAT: 22

cGPA: 3.3
sGPA: 3.1

 

[Temperature101]

MedPR are you considering pod?!!?!?! YOU SHOULD!!!!


Average MCAT: 22

cGPA: 3.3
sGPA: 3.1

These stats are almost on par with DO schools.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

These stats are almost on par with DO schools.

 

[saxofoonie]

And here I was looking for a serious discussion on the matter

 

[dyk343]

http://www.aacpm.org/html/statistics/PDFs/MatrStats/Matriculant_GPA.pdf

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

And here I was looking for a serious discussion on the matter

I'm not sure if you're referring to me or temp, but isn't DO MCAT avg ~26? That's four points away... Which is the same difference between DO and and MD... So when Temp says that, I'm literally not sure if he/she is calling pod stats superbly low, or if genuinely believes that 22 is close to 26 (which in pretty sure is DO avg?)

 

[MedPR]

MedPR are you considering pod?!!?!?! YOU SHOULD!!!!


Average MCAT: 22

cGPA: 3.3
sGPA: 3.1

Im not.. I actually dont know anything about it. I was just genuinely curious and a friend of mine is considering it. They're still in undergrad though?

And here I was looking for a serious discussion on the matter

I was too.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me or temp, but isn't DO MCAT avg ~26? That's four points away... Which is the same difference between DO and and MD... So when Temp says that, I'm literally not sure if he/she is calling pod stats superbly low, or if genuinely believes that 22 is close to 26 (which in pretty sure is DO avg?)

Yea if your pod stats are accurate they aren't that close to DO. DO is around 3.5/3.5/26.

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[nikkisorous]

Honestly it really just depends on when in the cycle you apply. If its early on a 3.2+ gpa and 21+ mcat will land you interviews anywhere. Towards the end of the cycle though schools may reserve seats for DO/MD rejects to pull up their averages making it harder to get in.

(i'm not sure hold is the best word, but they do anticipate them to apply and they generally have higher than average pod stats.)

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Honestly it really just depends on when in the cycle you apply. If its early on a 3.2+ gpa and 21+ mcat will land you interviews anywhere. Towards the end of the cycle though schools may reserve seats for DO/MD rejects to pull up their averages making it harder to get in.

(i'm not sure hold is the best word, but they do anticipate them to apply and they generally have higher than average pod stats.)

Haven't we seen sub 20s interview this cycle?

 

[natorx]

On par with DO stats or not...

What I saw in at DMU, was very much on par. Total integration of the DPM's with DO. I was talking to 2nd year students saying they don't know anything about the foot yet, and they are trained as physicians first.

All the pre-pod stuff aside, we will be well trained.

 

[nikkisorous]

We have but we have also seen sub 20s not land interviews. I strongly believe a 3.2 and 21 will land an interview anywhere early on.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

We have but we have also seen sub 20s not land interviews. I strongly believe a 3.2 and 21 will land an interview anywhere early on.

Well yeah, that's probably true, but half (probably more...) DPM students got a 21 or less on the MCAT.

 

[nikkisorous]

Half seems a bit high... I don't think a 3.0 gpa and 18 mcat will land you interviews at azpod or nycpm. (maybe dmu if lucky.)

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Half seems a bit high... I don't think a 3.0 gpa and 18 mcat will land you interviews at azpod or nycpm. (maybe dmu if lucky.)

Average matriculated MCAT is 21... and it's (HOPEFULLY) a skewed right distribution, so, probably more than half got less than 21...

 

[ilovefeet]

Honestly it really just depends on when in the cycle you apply. If its early on a 3.2+ gpa and 21+ mcat will land you interviews anywhere. Towards the end of the cycle though schools may reserve seats for DO/MD rejects to pull up their averages making it harder to get in.

(i'm not sure hold is the best word, but they do anticipate them to apply and they generally have higher than average pod stats.)

So what about March applicants who have terrible GPAs (below average), but good MCAT scores (above 25)? Thoughts?

March is not necessarily too late, but it is LATER in the cycle...

 

[MedPR]

On par with DO stats or not...

What I saw in at DMU, was very much on par. Total integration of the DPM's with DO. I was talking to 2nd year students saying they don't know anything about the foot yet, and they are trained as physicians first.

All the pre-pod stuff aside, we will be well trained.

Med students learn basic science in the first two years. Not really trained as physicians initially

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[SuperFeisty]

What I saw in at DMU, was very much on par. Total integration of the DPM's with DO. I was talking to 2nd year students saying they don't know anything about the foot yet, and they are trained as physicians first.

DMU simply switches up curriculum so that they choose to take Lower the semester before Boards part 1. The fact that second years haven't taken lower yet has little to do with the fact that they are "trained as physicians first."

 

[podlover]

When does the physician training start? I was told during residency.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

When does the physician training start? I was told during residency.

I have a feeling this is going to spark some controversy...

 

[natorx]

Well from what I heard, I admit, I know little.

But with OR admission rights comes a lot of responsibility. What if they have a heart condition, and go into cardiac arrest? It is our professionas responsibility we are trained to spot warning signs of these conditions that extend far past foot, and know how to read records, and react.

Call pods physicians or not, but our training has to be a lot more global then strictly foot/ankle as the profession heads more and more into surgical.

Just a opinion of a future student.

 

[podlover]

I have a feeling this is going to spark some controversy...

Don't shot the messenger lol.

I've was told that the first two years you are introduced to a more indepth level of the basic sciences referred to as medical sciences. Then you get your feet wet with 3rd year rotation and clincial sciences. The 4th year includes several month-long rotations at chosen sites.

During the third and fouth year you see patients and take history reports and immediately report to the attending.( I feel this is when you get a first taste of practical experience)

Moreover as it was told to me,... during your residency when you are Dr. so and so and no longer considered a student doctor but a resident is when you have more freedom and an even more rigorous training, reporting to the program director or chief resident as need-be and conducting supervised surgeries etc, etc...

Once again don't shot me but as I was told the true feeling of being trained as a physician comes during residency.

I'd like to know what residents, 3rd and 4th years have to say?

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Don't shot the messenger lol.

I've was told that the first two years you are introduced to a more indepth level of the basic sciences referred to as medical sciences. Then you get your feet wet with 3rd year rotation and clincial sciences. The 4th year includes several month-long rotations at chosen sites.

During the third and fouth year you see patients and take history reports and immediately report to the attending.( I feel this is when you get a first taste of practical experience)

Moreover as it was told to me,... during your residency when you are Dr. so and so and no longer considered a student doctor but a resident is when you have more freedom and an even more rigorous training, reporting to the program director or chief resident as need-be and conducting supervised surgeries etc, etc...

Once again don't shot me but as I was told the true feeling of being trained as a physician comes during residency.

I'd like to know what residents, 3rd and 4th years have to say?

Haha, i'm not shooting you, just predicting. I don't really care if you call pods physicians or not, but there are a lot of people on SDN that will go crazy if they read that. Most of 1st and 2nd year is strictly didactic book work (depends on the school) and 3rd and 4th year you get your clinical (that's what i'll call it... lol) training. You continue/expand on this training during residency.

 

[nikkisorous]

This is obvious and current students are and have been educated/ trained this way for awhile (through school and residency training). I'm unsure why pre-pods think this is a novel idea.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, being this is a pre-pod forum, but let it be known that current students/ residents most definitely know that an actual person is attached to that foot and ankle they are examining and treating.

Preach!👍

It's pretty sad really. If some pre-pods think like that, (which should at least have some IDEA about podiatry) I wonder what crazy thoughts people off the street may have about our education/training ;]

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

This is obvious and current students are and have been educated/ trained this way for awhile (through school and residency training). I'm unsure why pre-pods think this is a novel idea.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, being this is a pre-pod forum, but let it be known that current students/ residents most definitely know that an actual person is attached to that foot and ankle they are examining and treating.

I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't call a pod a physician, but rather that I have seen many flame wars on these forums about pods calling themselves physicians.

Here is a recent thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=933430

and another: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=755472

And MANY state laws do not define pods as physicians.

 

[freshbagels]

I have a question about some of the de facto extracurricular requirements for podiatry school. My brother is interested in either going in to PT or pod, currently a senior Integrative Biology major at a UC school with a ~2.9 GPA (maybe higher, haven't checked recently, but it's on an upward trend). Besides shadowing a pod, is pod admissions like MD/DO admissions where you need a wealth of volunteering/leadership/clinical experience to be considered competitive? Or will an above average MCAT combined with early admissions be sufficient for him?

EDIT: I forgot to mention that he will be applying either next cycle or the one after that, so he has time if he needs to pad his resume.

 

[natorx]

I knew well that we as pod will learn about all the systems, and how it relates to our field.

I was speaking in general, for people that flame the profession.

 

[MedPR]

When does the physician training start? I was told during residency.

M3 core rotations

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[zmansman17]

I'm not sure if you're referring to me or temp, but isn't DO MCAT avg ~26? That's four points away... Which is the same difference between DO and and MD... So when Temp says that, I'm literally not sure if he/she is calling pod stats superbly low, or if genuinely believes that 22 is close to 26 (which in pretty sure is DO avg?)

My fiance was a Math major with a 3.9 gpa and a 30 mcat. She ended up getting into DMU (DO) but did not get into the other 4 DO schools that she had applied to. I think DO schools are getting much more competitive.

 

[EK18]

Weird. Those stats are killer even for MD schools. Was there some kind of red flag or glaring weakness in her application?

 

[PrePodPolice]

i believe MD schools avg 31-32 on the MCAT.

 

[Textbookversion]

Weird. Those stats are killer even for MD schools. Was there some kind of red flag or glaring weakness in her application?

Those stats aren't killer for MD. They would have been 15 years ago. Avg. for MD schools is 32 or so (other factors like race and state of residency affect the kind of MCAT you need). DO school averages range from 24-28, 26.X overall. All the better DO schools are sitting up in the 28 range. The average gets dragged down by all the new schools opening.

And that's average, if you are Asian/White or out of state for example you'll probably need to be above average and/or have exceptional extra-curricular stuff.

 

[EK18]

Those stats aren't killer for MD. They would have been 15 years ago. Avg. for MD schools is 32 or so (other factors like race and state of residency affect the kind of MCAT you need). DO school averages range from 24-28, 26.X overall. All the better DO schools are sitting up in the 28 range. The average gets dragged down by all the new schools opening.

And that's average, if you are Asian/White or out of state for example you'll probably need to be above average and/or have exceptional extra-curricular stuff.

Really? And here I've been told all throughout my undergrad that a 30 or higher on the MCAT was basically a surefire ticket to MD school. I suppose it makes sense that the number goes up slowly over time since more people are applying every year for the same (or slightly more) seats. That GPA is still killer though, except for top-tier MD programs I would assume that GPA would balance out that slightly below average MCAT and this person should be able to find acceptance somewhere.

Of course, there are many factors other than GPA/MCAT which is why I thought this person had some glaring flaw in their application hence why they got rejected to 3 out of 4 DO schools even with these stats.

 

[Textbookversion]

Really? And here I've bee+n told all throughout my undergrad that a 30 or higher on the MCAT was basically a surefire ticket to MD school. I suppose it makes sense that the number goes up slowly over time since more people are applying every year for the same (or slightly more) seats. That GPA is still killer though, except for top-tier MD programs I would assume that GPA would balance out that slightly below average MCAT and this person should be able to find acceptance somewhere.

Of course, there are many factors other than GPA/MCAT which is why I thought this person had some glaring flaw in their application hence why they got rejected to 3 out of 4 DO schools even with these stats.

DO schools are looking for people that are enthusiastic about becoming a DO/OMM. If you don't come across that way in the interview, they'll reject you. They have plenty of qualified candidates. I guess you could count that as a glaring flaw.

They'll also reject you sometimes if they think you aren't going to go to their school.

The process is a crapshoot either way. Plenty of people with really high stats (myself included) receive rejections from at least some of the DO schools they apply to.