Status of the Hmong (Asian) as a URM

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Hello everyone, I'm Hmong and was wondering what the running take on Hmong as a URM is. The gap between Asian Americans as a whole and the Hmong American population is so significant (poverty, education, health), I wondered if there's a case for us. edit: (meant to highlight the discrepancies in representation due to these factors)

Read a few threads on the site from 2007-2015, there are a lot of differing opinions/ideas on whether or not the Hmong are considered underrepresented in medicine. Statistically it's easy to see that Hmong people are underrepresented in both medicine and education in general, but I can also see how a school might not differentiate us from other groups of Asian Americans.

I was advised that it depends on the school, but was also told that Hmong simply falls under the "Asian" umbrella.

Does anyone have any insight/information about this?

 

[boo234]

yes you can self identify on amcas and med schools will decide how "an applicant could contribute to institutional diversity." (https://aamc-orange.global.ssl.fast...35ac84f3e6/2020amcasapplicantguide-060419.pdf - Self-Identification p22)
I think it's more important to reflect on and write about how your experience as a Hmong American has shaped you into the person you are today whether that be in the personal statement, disadvantaged statement, or (for most school's) diversity secondary

 

[Eilat87]

Hello everyone, I'm Hmong and was wondering what the running take on Hmong as a URM is. The gap between Asian Americans as a whole and the Hmong American population is so significant (poverty, education, health), I wondered if there's a case for us. edit: (meant to highlight the discrepancies in representation due to these factors)

Read a few threads on the site from 2007-2015, there are a lot of differing opinions/ideas on whether or not the Hmong are considered underrepresented in medicine. Statistically it's easy to see that Hmong people are underrepresented in both medicine and education in general, but I can also see how a school might not differentiate us from other groups of Asian Americans.

I was advised that it depends on the school, but was also told that Hmong simply falls under the "Asian" umbrella.

Does anyone have any insight/information about this?

I don't know the last time I met a Hmong doctor so take that for what it's worth..

 

[HumanAfterAll]

I don't know the last time I met a Hmong doctor so take that for what it's worth..

How about a Hmong patient?

 

[Goro]

I don't know which ones do, but I know that there ARE med schools that consider the Hmong to be URM.

Wise @gyngyn ???

 

[nymedschoolfan]

URM in many California schools.

 

[ticcup]

Thank you boo234567 for the link and info!

How about a Hmong patient?

Concentrated in certain parts of the US, mostly MN, WI and CA. The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down is a neat book about a Hmong patient.

I don't know which ones do, but I know that there ARE med schools that consider the Hmong to be URM.

Thank you for the info and the tag!

URM in many California schools.

UCSF is one I was able to find, so I'm going to assume that most of the schools that recognize Hmong as a URM are in areas where there's a significant Hmong population.

Thank you everyone for the helpful replies

 

[deleted994889]

UCSF also considers Vietnamese URM. Didn't seem to help me though 😆

Pretty sure Hmong is more URM though.

 

[hamiltonnyc]

UCSF also considers Vietnamese URM. Didn't seem to help me though 😆

Pretty sure Hmong is more URM though.

If you're referring to this URM Definition | diversity.ucsf.edu I think it's for employment purposes.

 

[deleted994889]

If you're referring to this URM Definition | diversity.ucsf.edu I think it's for employment purposes.

Ah gotcha. Bit of a joke anyway, I wasn't likely to get in either way.

 

[HatchiDawg]

Hello everyone, I'm Hmong and was wondering what the running take on Hmong as a URM is.

Hi, i'm also a Hmong.

To answer ur question, yes, Hmong individuals are considered to be >>> EXTREMELY <<< URM.

Many schools consider Hmong as URM. Some schools also consider Hmong individuals as only "asian", however, you need to EMPHASIZE the need for more Hmong physicians. Talk about the gap, mention the barriers, use the book The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down book as an example (I've also read it too, soo many good examples.. and it's 100% relatable), but with your own real life experiences. For instance, Hmong people will use some random non-FDA approved herbal asian medication delivered from China to treat their Gout because it has been known to temporarily take the pain away. No disrespect to my own people and culture, but Hmong people are honestly not the most educated people out there. WHY? Because we immigrated to U.S in the mid 70's and had to learn how to survive before getting an education. We had to adjust to a culture, and even when we are adjusted, we still sometimes don't fit in because of certain social disadvantages.. Many are still trying to survive, because we faced war. However, you and I may not, but our parents and grandparents have, and that can be detrimental to some med applicants and their upbringing as a potential future physician.

If med schools do not consider you as URM, then you need to hit them with the stats. Tell them to find you the closest Hmong physician, even if you live in a Hmong-populated area. They will start sweating when they realize there is no stats because there are literally not enough Hmong physicians to even make stats. Hmong people matter, and as pre-meds and future physicians, we need to cater our applications by addressing the lack of healthcare providers and resources for our community. Yes, there are other non-Hmong physicians and docs out there that Hmong individuals can utilize, but how do you address the fact that there are still much language barriers and cultural differences. This will certainly be one of our biggest strengths in our applications, as Hmong applicants. If AMCAS doesn't include Hmong people on the list of URM, then that's because they've never heard of Hmong people before. <--- That is a sign of being an URM applicant, just being completely honest.

Also, there's about 260k Hmong citizens residing in U.S according to the 2010 U.S Census. I also found some online Hmong Journal that says there's at least 150-200 Hmong physicians as of 2018 or something, doesn't seem credible though tbh. So in sense, there's like 200 physicians for every 260k patients. That's about 1 Hmong physician for every 1,300 Hmong patients. Should I also mention the Hmong represented in each specialty? Yikes.

In short, there's a lot of stuff to highlight in your application. Kill that ish.