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I wonder if someone could help me figure out how to evaluate whether I should stay in my residency or get out. I am in a specialty field that has good lifestyle but we all know that will change in the near future. I still have another two and a half years to go. Im not miserable but I'm not excited by it and I'm living in a place i don't really want to be living in. I see the value of at least finishing so there is something to fall back on. But with job prospect uncertainty and just getting older and basically not feeling like i am progressing one bit in my personal life i wonder if i should leave; get out, jump into consulting (no, not bc i think it would be amazing) but i can't imagine a reasonable alternative in a more desirable location being worse. I don't even know who to talk about this with to make a wise informed decision. If anyone has ideas that would be appreciated. Thank you

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I wonder if someone could help me figure out how to evaluate whether I should stay in my residency or get out. I am in a specialty field that has good lifestyle but we all know that will change in the near future. I still have another two and a half years to go. Im not miserable but I'm not excited by it and I'm living in a place i don't really want to be living in. I see the value of at least finishing so there is something to fall back on. But with job prospect uncertainty and just getting older and basically not feeling like i am progressing one bit in my personal life i wonder if i should leave; get out, jump into consulting (no, not bc i think it would be amazing) but i can't imagine a reasonable alternative in a more desirable location being worse. I don't even know who to talk about this with to make a wise informed decision. If anyone has ideas that would be appreciated. Thank you

Need more info: what specialty, what are your goals, how much debt, how much location matters to you, which location, etc.

p diddy
 
I wonder if someone could help me figure out how to evaluate whether I should stay in my residency or get out. I am in a specialty field that has good lifestyle but we all know that will change in the near future. I still have another two and a half years to go. Im not miserable but I'm not excited by it and I'm living in a place i don't really want to be living in. I see the value of at least finishing so there is something to fall back on. But with job prospect uncertainty and just getting older and basically not feeling like i am progressing one bit in my personal life i wonder if i should leave; get out, jump into consulting (no, not bc i think it would be amazing) but i can't imagine a reasonable alternative in a more desirable location being worse. I don't even know who to talk about this with to make a wise informed decision. If anyone has ideas that would be appreciated. Thank you

Agree with p diddy.
And most importantly, what do you want in life, what will make you happy.
100 times out of 101 it's better to finish residency than not in the long run.
Job uncertainty? For a residency trained physician? Nope. No such thing . You will find a Job in any location you love, it might not have everything you love( salary, patients, schedule etc) but you can find a job practically anywhere your finger falls in a map of the us(or world if that matters to you).
Put your goals in writing and what u like and don't about your current training and it will become a little clearer.

Good luck!
 
I wonder if someone could help me figure out how to evaluate whether I should stay in my residency or get out. I am in a specialty field that has good lifestyle but we all know that will change in the near future. I still have another two and a half years to go. Im not miserable but I'm not excited by it and I'm living in a place i don't really want to be living in. I see the value of at least finishing so there is something to fall back on. But with job prospect uncertainty and just getting older and basically not feeling like i am progressing one bit in my personal life i wonder if i should leave; get out, jump into consulting (no, not bc i think it would be amazing) but i can't imagine a reasonable alternative in a more desirable location being worse. I don't even know who to talk about this with to make a wise informed decision. If anyone has ideas that would be appreciated. Thank you

Is your specialty still at least interesting? Would you be miserable doing it for the rest of your life? If yes to the first question, and no to the second, then I would definitely stick it out. Once you graduate from residency, the world is your oyster. Recruiters will practically be banging on your door with job offers, in whatever location you want. Some of those positions even offer excellent salaries and benefits, and even sign-on bonuses.

But if you jump ship midway, its practically career suicide. Landing a different residency, although certainly possible, is difficult, and if you don't land another residency, your career in medicine is pretty much over.

And by the way, this is why you don't choose a specialty primarily based on lifestyle. Your specialty choice should first be based on your interests, and lifestyle and salary should be secondary considerations.
 
I troll the path forums a lot, and the first thing I thought when reading your post was that you were a path resident who wanted to get out. Good lifestyle but horrible job prospects. I was about to tell you to switch fields, but then I checked your post history...


Dude, stick it out in Rad Onc.

Sure it feels like you're a tech. Heck, we all feel like techs. The only difference is that you will be earning significantly more than the techs in other fields, mine included.

If you're feeling down, go get some plane tickets every free weekend you have and fly to wherever your loved ones are. The money spent will be a drop in the bucket compared to what you'll be earning later, and you'll be able to preserve your sanity in residency.

Just stick with it bro.
 
Is your specialty still at least interesting? Would you be miserable doing it for the rest of your life? If yes to the first question, and no to the second, then I would definitely stick it out. Once you graduate from residency, the world is your oyster. Recruiters will practically be banging on your door with job offers, in whatever location you want. Some of those positions even offer excellent salaries and benefits, and even sign-on bonuses.

But if you jump ship midway, its practically career suicide. Landing a different residency, although certainly possible, is difficult, and if you don't land another residency, your career in medicine is pretty much over.

And by the way, this is why you don't choose a specialty primarily based on lifestyle. Your specialty choice should first be based on your interests, and lifestyle and salary should be secondary considerations.



I think the demand and oyster bit is starting to change at least in some fields. I now know 2 anesthesiologists who have told me that the market is getting so saturated where I live they could not find jobs, and have had to travel to more rural areas to work. One of them hated anesthesia so much they are now in our internal medicine program, and the other opened a cosmetic clinic doing botox injections, laser facials etc.

its odd too because Im noticing compared to last year, nearly every prelim in our program is pre anesthesia. last year we had lots of optho, rads, and derms. seems like everyone and their mother still thinks anesthesia is the "ROAD" to happiness. although the practicing gas passers I know talk about 80 hour work weeks, cranky surgeons ruining their days, being the surgeons B*&^tchs

In this same city as a PGY2 im already starting to get aggressive emails from recruiting agencies.
 
just saw you were rad onc. uber competitive, but I have no clue the job prospects. such an esoteric field, I cant imagine doing that my whole life but glad there are people into it. just make sure that is why you went into it, dont get caught up in what is "competitive" or not.

also i think this person decided he wanted to change to for example IM, I really dont think they would have a problem, but may have to start back at PGY1 or 2.
 
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I wonder if someone could help me figure out how to evaluate whether I should stay in my residency or get out. I am in a specialty field that has good lifestyle but we all know that will change in the near future. I still have another two and a half years to go. Im not miserable but I'm not excited by it and I'm living in a place i don't really want to be living in. I see the value of at least finishing so there is something to fall back on. But with job prospect uncertainty and just getting older and basically not feeling like i am progressing one bit in my personal life i wonder if i should leave; get out, jump into consulting (no, not bc i think it would be amazing) but i can't imagine a reasonable alternative in a more desirable location being worse. I don't even know who to talk about this with to make a wise informed decision. If anyone has ideas that would be appreciated. Thank you

Stay put!!! Transferring during residency will almost always put you at a disadvantage and derail your career.

None of us can picture our fields in the future - that's life and medicine. We're all going to be paid in chickens one day, but at least we get to help people. :cool:
 
... Once you graduate from residency, the world is your oyster. Recruiters will practically be banging on your door with job offers, in whatever location you want...

while I don't disagree with the rest of your post, and think OP should probably stick it out and then look at options, I agree with some of the other posters that this statement of yours is outdated. There are many fields where jobs aren't plentiful, and these days you frequently have to be extremely flexible in terms of your professional goals and be willing to relocate. What you have written hasn't been true for about 5 years in quite a few fields. I know quite a few very qualified specialists working in locations and job situations that don't really fit their life goals because, after a very long job search, better options aren't out there presently. The oyster has gone bad over time.
 
while I don't disagree with the rest of your post, and think OP should probably stick it out and then look at options, I agree with some of the other posters that this statement of yours is outdated. There are many fields where jobs aren't plentiful, and these days you frequently have to be extremely flexible in terms of your professional goals and be willing to relocate. What you have written hasn't been true for about 5 years in quite a few fields. I know quite a few very qualified specialists working in locations and job situations that don't really fit their life goals because, after a very long job search, better options aren't out there presently. The oyster has gone bad over time.

Maybe for some fields. As for my field, I'm still getting bombarded with emails from various recruiters.
 
while I don't disagree with the rest of your post, and think OP should probably stick it out and then look at options, I agree with some of the other posters that this statement of yours is outdated. There are many fields where jobs aren't plentiful, and these days you frequently have to be extremely flexible in terms of your professional goals and be willing to relocate. What you have written hasn't been true for about 5 years in quite a few fields. I know quite a few very qualified specialists working in locations and job situations that don't really fit their life goals because, after a very long job search, better options aren't out there presently. The oyster has gone bad over time.

If the OP is seriously in rad onc, the "do what you want, where you want, for the salary you want" (choose 2 of the above only) is 100% true for his specialty (as it is for the majority of other specialties). Hell, given the market for Rad Onc, he can probably choose all 3 of the above.
 
If the OP is seriously in rad onc, the "do what you want, where you want, for the salary you want" (choose 2 of the above only) is 100% true for his specialty (as it is for the majority of other specialties). Hell, given the market for Rad Onc, he can probably choose all 3 of the above.

I am a rad onc resident. This is untrue. Some of the other information in this thread paints an unrealistic picture of radiation oncology.

The rad onc job market is tight this year. This is a small specialty that is taking some reimbursement cuts (https://www.astro.org/Advocacy/Medicare-Cuts.aspx). Private practices and hospitals are nervous about hiring these days, since they are worried about these and future cuts to the specialty. Because the field is so small, a drop in hiring dramatically influences the job market for new graduates. Since it's bad this year, a lot of doom and gloom has spread among some residents. It's no better in academics, where grants are very tight. Less scrupulous groups and hospital systems are happy to hire graduates with limited job opportunities and exploit their revenue earning potential while paying them little.

This isn't just theoretical. Competitive job markets have been terrible in rad onc for years. Obtaining a permanent position in major northeastern cities, California, and some other areas are practically impossible for new graduates without serious connections. Even for well established attendings, these job markets can be extremely difficult. There are many senior attendings in SoCal kicking around practice after practice still trying to find something decent. Sure, you may find a job in the competitive location you want, but the salary and practice specifics may be particularly bad. In some areas, you may not even find any position within a 50+ mile radius.


Regardless of the reality check, I love rad onc and wouldn't trade this specialty for anything else. That said, there are some fairly malignant programs in the specialty that work their residents very hard. There are some programs that are not educationally driven, using residents as servants for lazy attendings who teach little. But, there are many graduates of those programs who read, work hard, and go on to achieve their goals.

The reality is that no matter what happens to the specialty, you will almost certainly have a high paying job in the end. Whatever you do find, it will likely pay well over the average physician pay of 200k/year. The average pay in consulting is nowhere near that. Do not give up the stable career you have worked so hard for! A lot of people at my own institution seem to have a "grass is greener on the other side" mentality for other medical specialties and careers. They focus on the positives and the big success stories, and forget that other specialties have downsides. They forget that positions in other industries are nowhere near as secure as medicine.

You have invested so much to become a radiation oncologist, and you have only a relatively short period of time to go. You don't even need a fellowship in this specialty to find a great position! To throw all of that hard work away now seems incredibly shortsighted to me. Finish residency, look at the job market, get board certified, and then consider whether you want to continue being a radiation oncologist or want to dabble in the business or some other world. Because the grass looks greener now, but I suspect it truly is not.
 
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I have to say Neuronix, that was a very uplifting post.

I'm in rad onc as well (obviously) and wouldn't trade it in for the world. I admit, sometimes I get in a rut especially with patient load, research, drama at work, exams... but at least we have (for the most part) weekends off right?

I have no idea what the job market is going to be like for any field, more or less with our own but I have yet to meet one truly unhappy attending who was not unhappy prior to becoming a physician. Hang in there and just remember, residency is suppose to suck and it definitely could be a lot worse.
 
OP,

Any update?

Sounds to me like you've just got residency blues and that location is probably a big part of this. Lucky for you, both of these are extremely temporary. I'd definitely stick with it if I was you, unless that is, you've realized that it is the actually specialty itself that you are so disenchanted with. Then it would be gut-check time.
 
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