Step 2 CS- on not finishing patient exam

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Does anyone know what the penalty is for not completing one patient interview on the Step 2 CS? I.e. if you run out of time in the middle of the physical exam- is this an automatic failure for the entire exam (even if all your other scenarios are completed in full)?
 
You definitely DO NOT fail the entire patient encounter just because you run out of time. You receive points and credit for everything that you did have time to do. Do not become flustered if you run out of time.

Most people will run out of time on at least a couple of the encounters. Just try to do your best in every patient encounter. Give yourself a couple of minutes to greet the patient, ask your general and specific questions, and then move on to the physical exam. Then move on to offering some DDx, answering questions, and counseling.

If you search this forum, you will probably find stories of many people who did not finish many of the encounters and still passed.

Remeber to stick with only the pertinent things. Just like in the real world clinic settings, if you are asking a line of questions and the patient seems to have a puzzled look on his/her face, then you are probably going down a road that you do not need to. Efficiency is more important than getting 100% of the details.

If you run out of time, do not panic. Just write your note and move on to the next patient without worrying about the last case.
 
No, you just get a bad score for your closing, counseling, etc.

I ran out of time on a neuro case and I still passed.
 
i ran out of time with my first Px. i was going through the differentials after completing the PE, and i heard "this encounter is no over. please exit the room". we both looked at each other wide-eyed thinking damn! i finished all my other Patients though. i also only did Fundoscopic exam on 2 of 3 HTN Px, so i forgot one there too. i passed in spite of this stuff. oh, ad i think i forgot to counsel 2 Px as well. i got through the Diff Dx with them, exited and realized my errors.
 
Things I did and still passed:

1. Took w-a-y too long with a neuro exam and had to leave the room while explaining my differential.

2. Forgot to ask a different patient about past medical history AND current medicines (just wrote that I needed to do that in my note)!!!!

3. Forgot to fake empathy for another patient who was crying (very fake, very annoying!)

4. Used abbreviations for everything.
 
OK, this may be a really stupid question. But if you have a stethoscope with a bell and a diaphragm and you only use the diaphragm side, do they dock you for not using the bell?
 
Never did any funduscopic exams, passed.
Never used the bell on my stethoscope, passed.
Used a ton of abbreviations, passed.
Only did relevant PE components (i.e. did not do complete physical on any patient, but always did heart/lungs), passed.
Ran out of time on a few encounters and with one write-up, passed.
 
Before I stepped in the room, I took 5 seconds to write a differential purely based on the CC:; I memorized 5 things for the most common complaints and during the course of the history and physical tried to rule in or r/o things on my differential.

I didn't finish everything on the 1st encounter, but I was able to get enough info to come up with a good differential and plan. After the 1st encounter, I started to go faster with the history and hit additional ROS questions during the physical exam. I usually did a heart and lung exam +/- abdominal exam, never did a fundoscopic exam (but recommended it in a workup). Neuro exam was pretty crude, patella and tricep reflexes, light touch in arms and legs. Cranial nerve exam if needed.

I spent 10 minutes practicing the patient note on the computer using that CD they send you to get an idea of the word limit. I used common abbreviations and incomplete sentences. In the end, I passed without much difficulty.
 
Still waiting for my score...but I did a lot of stuff wrong and I'm not too worried about passing. Lots of incomplete exams, at least in my estimation. Plenty of hyper/hypothyroids in the differential but I rarely felt the neck or did reflexes.

As far as time goes, I found it helpful to spend about 20-30 seconds outside the door and make a differential before you enter, that way the questions are very focused and not spent digging for stupid things. Open-ended questions are a waste of time on these actors - they are basically robots...ask a specific question & you get a specific answer.
 
Beefcake said:
Does anyone know what the penalty is for not completing one patient interview on the Step 2 CS? I.e. if you run out of time in the middle of the physical exam- is this an automatic failure for the entire exam (even if all your other scenarios are completed in full)?
I just took CS and I am really worried about it. How on earth do they grade it? I forgot a lot of things. I wasnt calm at all!!! I felt like all the other examinees were full of confidence and took it as a joke. I on the other hand forgot to shine a light on the eyes to see PERRLA nor did I discuss my differentials. I would just say something like " I will order some tests to figure out the root cause of your pain and then we will set up an appointment and we will go from there" kind of response. Is that BS going to make me fail it? I am really quite concerned. I am a foreign medical grad and so I dont know how it really goes here. I just went by what I am used to doing. I did the PAMHUGSFOSS on all my patients and on the PN but I dont know... i somehow dont feel good about that exam. Everyone else say its ok but to me it was really quite stressful. What do you all think???
 
Smurfette said:
Never did any funduscopic exams, passed.
Never used the bell on my stethoscope, passed.
Used a ton of abbreviations, passed.
Only did relevant PE components (i.e. did not do complete physical on any patient, but always did heart/lungs), passed.
Ran out of time on a few encounters and with one write-up, passed.

smurfette, i think i love you...but i'll only know for sure...after i get that "PASS" in the mail.

someone's comment was it was better to be efficient than totally thorough. well, i think i got cut off on about half of my encounters, and on each patient forgot to either do or mention one major test. like others, i remembered those things as i sat down to write my notes so i did write them down as tests/part of the ddx although i'd never mentioned these to the pt. this soooo doesn't test reality bc in real life you could just peak your head back in and say something. anyway, i always got through the PE, but was cut off on wrap up, but i'm pretty sure i always mentioned initial dx impression and at least one dx workup (which, i believe, is all you need in order to receive credit: i.e. you just have to mention one test, not all of them.) anyone know any different? i'm assuming this from checklists from some old csa orientation and guidelines booklets.

my impression from that stuff was also that the primary focus of the exam was your ability to establish rapport and respect the pt. i spent a couple of minutes per case establishing rapport (which is probably why i ran out of time...) and found all my SPs to be quite helpful (e.g. i always wrapped the session with "anything else i haven't asked you about that you'd like to mention or your concerned about?" and almost always either got a direct response or was led to that "mystery fact" that all pts seemed to have.) one of my younger SPs actually translated all *my* "layman's terms" into medical jargon (e.g. "have you been short of breath after walking?" sp: "no, no dyspnea on exertion.") had to resist the urge to laugh every time.

on another note, i heard aortic stenosis murmurs in two(!) of my pts that i know weren't a part of the case! one woman's was somewhat harsh (bordering on III/VI) and when i asked if anyone had ever told them they had a murmur i thought i saw a fleeting moment of character-breaking concern bf she returned to her theretofore nonchalantly relaxed self. i hope she gets it checked out now if she hasn't already!

seriously though, smurfette, you made me feel tons better. there was a retaker there who claimed half his medical school class who'd taken it in sept/oct failed. was getting a bit worried. man, that would suck to fail!!!!
 
btw, future_OB, i think you're fine. i really don't think you're graded on dx accuracy (supposedly the cases are designed to be vague). your closure statement sounds pretty good. not doing one thing is just one check unmarked. look up some old ecfmg booklets for checklists and insights into grading. i don't know how much it's changed, but i know first aid hasn't changed very much.

i actually had a problem with discussing treatment. i know you're not supposed to, but i just couldn't help it sometimes! i think as a pt, i'd like to know what possibilities were there. i think the only way to do it is to get into it and break down the "4th wall." i fooled myself into feeling tons of compassion for a couple of them! otherwise, i think the artificiality of it all will kill you by the end of the day.

and i never used those stupid "transition statements" that they suggest you use: "now i'm going to ask you about your personal and social habits." that'll snap you back to the reality of the stupidity of this required examination.
 
hi. i was wondering how long it took for you all to get your CS results. its only been a month for me. My problem is that my application/validity already expired for my CS. I tried to reapply like people said to do and it allowed me. My ex boyfriend told me he did the same thing after he took it and even if his was still within the one year of validity, it allowed him also to reapply for CS but he tried to do it every week until he got a message saying that he cant coz he passed. I dont know if he's just lying. Does anybody know? I just want to be able to apply right away if I failed coz there arent any more dates available until June. Please help me...thanks.
 
anybody??? Please give me your thoughts. brutal honesty will be greatly appreciated. I just need an input please you guys...help me.
 
future_OB said:
anybody??? Please give me your thoughts. brutal honesty will be greatly appreciated. I just need an input please you guys...help me.

I wouldn't put too much stock in that re-registration trick. I'm not speaking from experience because my scores have not come back as of yet (03/29:scared: ), but from what I garner from previous threads, it's bogus.
 
thanks so much for the reply. i appreciate it... still nervous though...really nervous. good luck to you.
 
future_OB said:
thanks so much for the reply. i appreciate it... still nervous though...really nervous. good luck to you.

No problem. If it makes you feel any better, I just tried to register for Step I (took it last year and passed) and it let me. Hope this helps!
 
thanks back 34. I know its not the way to know if i passed or not but i really am getting panic stricken. I really appreciate you trying. God bless!
 
Found out I passed today. Here is a partial list of things I didn't do in hopes that it will calm some nerves.

1. Did not finish counseling at least 4 if not 5 patients
2. Never asked any menstrual history/STD's in a patient that clearly needed it.
3. Didn't listen to several mitral valves in women.
4. Never used my bell.
5. Forgot to note vitals on a couple of writeup's

I would recommend people check out the new document on the nbme website clarifying the components of communication/interpersonal skills. I didn't see this before I took the test. Good luck to all.
 
I took the exam on Feb 15. You should be able to check the nbme website to see if a score was reported. Then just a couple of days for the mail to come.
 
pottsy2 said:
I took the exam on Feb 15. You should be able to check the nbme website to see if a score was reported. Then just a couple of days for the mail to come.

I PASSED STEP 2 CS!!!! Just wanted to share to you all! :laugh: :luck:
 
I also passed this ******ed exam.

I have no idea how the nbme comes to the conclusion that you are deemed worthy of passing. Although I don't remember specific details, I do know that-I didn't finish all of my patient encounters; I didn't counsel the majority of my patients; I didn't complete some physical exams and I surely didn't get too crazy with listening to all of the areas of the heart (i.e. I didn't ask anyone to lift their breast in order to listen to the mitral area).

I cannot comprehend how anyone fails this exam. Maybe it's possible if you walk into the room and act like a complete tool 😕
 
daisygirl said:
I also passed this ******ed exam.

I have no idea how the nbme comes to the conclusion that you are deemed worthy of passing. Although I don't remember specific details, I do know that-I didn't finish all of my patient encounters; I didn't counsel the majority of my patients; I didn't complete some physical exams and I surely didn't get too crazy with listening to all of the areas of the heart (i.e. I didn't ask anyone to lift their breast in order to listen to the mitral area).

I cannot comprehend how anyone fails this exam. Maybe it's possible if you walk into the room and act like a complete tool 😕

The **** would hit the fan if more people failed. Lawsuits would abound.
 
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