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I took CS a week ago... and it went... disastrously to say the least.

It all started at the beginning of the day. I practiced typing patient notes for about 2 weeks to prepare for this test, using a bullet format given on their Interactive Patient Note. Well it turns out this is a sham... on the real test, if you use bullets the remainder of the line is counted as a character for each remaining character on that line. While having to type in prose isn't the biggest issue in the world, when you've been practicing a certain way for a few weeks and have to entirely change your strategy on test day... needless to say, it's an issue that can definitely hurt you.

After that it's all downhill:

1. I ran our of time while telling the patient their diagnosis on 2 cases. I ran out of time while trying to tell the patient some closing remarks on another 3-4. Luckily for the most part I counseled during the HPI, so I was running out of time while trying to say some lame statement like "yall come back now ya heard?" Not literally, but if you've taken the test you know what I mean.

2. I was not able to complete very good physical exams on nearly anyone. Pain case, got ROM and gait, but was unable to get straight leg, or motor strength... heart case and I forgot to take femoral pulses, no JVD (getting the patient to lay back with "5 MINUTES HURRY THE HELL UP" sound of doom playing in the back ground is a daunting task.) And a myriad of other tests which I forgot to/ didn't have time to perform.

3. Documentation, documentation, documentation. I performed SOOOOOO many tests that I didn't document in my note either due to fear, pressure, stress, anxiety or whatever adjective for pissing my pants exists. This is where I am deriving my most fear. On a case where it was absolutely critical, I did not document heart of lung tests that I performed because I was sooooo proud of myself that I remembered to perform a fundoscopic exam👎... major major error. I think there were several other instances where I didn't document the critical test related to the exam.

4. A guy smoked 1PPD x 40 years... did I think this was important enough to document? Well yes, but guess what... I ran out of space because I couldn't write in bullet form and time ran out so I couldn't go back and figure out what to delete quickly enough to fit it in.

5. Pertinent negatives? Who needs 'em? Apparently not me, because I didn't list any in the DDx portion.

Well that pretty much sums up what I can remember. I have lost a lot of sanity over these idiotic mistakes I made. It's saddens me to think my career which I've dedicated hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless thousands of hours of hard work, may now be over... 🙁
 
Well I am now on board the "Panicking about Step 2 CS" train. Took it recently and am freaking about everything I did wrong.
I am going to be panicking over the next couple of months that I have never failed anything medical school related yet I'm going to fail this test. I'm really concerned about the ICE component of scoring.

Same here 🙁
I keep remembering things I missed on the test.....
I have a huge feeling that I failed
 
I just wish we knew more about the scoring. Like do we have to do well on all cases? Bc my day went ok outside of one case. I misheard the pt when he/she was talking about a behavior, which ended up being a crucial part of the case. And definitely not blaming the sp it was my own fault. Meaning I didn't do any counseling, didnt include the most likely correct diagnosis on my differential, and didnt order the correct work up. I know I bombed that case bad. I also ran out of room on the hpi stuff all the time. I don't think I ever even commented on like family history and review of systems unless it was positive for something.

The only thing I'm really confident about is that I remembered to knock on the door, introduce myself, smile, wash my hands, and tell the patient what I thought was going on.
 
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Can someone confirm that they passed without washing their hands and only putting on gloves?

Just to give me piece of mind...

The intern on my rotation said that's what he did and he passed just fine.
Man this 2 month wait stuff is just torture. I'm going to have a panic attack that I failed the patient note stuff and made a very costly mistake.
 
Can someone confirm that they passed without washing their hands and only putting on gloves?

Just to give me piece of mind...

I was confused on this point. Different sources I had read said different things: wash hands OR wash hands AND wear gloves OR just wear gloves. So I erred on the side of caution and just washed my hands every time.
 
The intern on my rotation said that's what he did and he passed just fine.
Man this 2 month wait stuff is just torture. I'm going to have a panic attack that I failed the patient note stuff and made a very costly mistake.

Totally agree. I keep having these invasive thoughts of what would happen if I failed...it really makes my days off kind of suck, cuz they usually come when I am relaxing. It kind of makes me want to just work everyday until my scores come out in October just to keep my mind off of it.

Does anyone know if October CS scores (P/F) would show up on residency applications? I know we send them out September 15, but I imagine the date they download our application would determine if they see our score, right?

I'm just trying to think of the worst case scenario, like say my score report is released October 9th, if it was a fail, would I be safe because I already sent out my application?

I was confused on this point. Different sources I had read said different things: wash hands OR wash hands AND wear gloves OR just wear gloves. So I erred on the side of caution and just washed my hands every time.

At the LA site, they said you can wash hands or wear gloves (though I imagine doing both would be fine as well). I just wore gloves because it is quicker than washing my hands. Every second you can save is more time for physical exam and writing the note, even though I was almost always the first person out of the patient room when I took CS...at the time I did not understand what everyone was doing in the patient encounters so long, but now it just leads to increased anxiety (as I mentioned above, though I think I still asked all relevant questions).
 
Totally agree. I keep having these invasive thoughts of what would happen if I failed...it really makes my days off kind of suck, cuz they usually come when I am relaxing. It kind of makes me want to just work everyday until my scores come out in October just to keep my mind off of it.

Does anyone know if October CS scores (P/F) would show up on residency applications? I know we send them out September 15, but I imagine the date they download our application would determine if they see our score, right?

I'm just trying to think of the worst case scenario, like say my score report is released October 9th, if it was a fail, would I be safe because I already sent out my application?

I also had flashbacks after CS. For a solid week I was pretty fixated on all the mistakes that kept popping up in my head. At the time I was also trying to study for CK so often I'd read something that jogged a memory of an f'ed up patient encounter. It was miserable! I passed in the end, so it was all for nothing 😛 I am *sure* you passed too. I made some really embarassing mistakes. Like so embarrassing a second year just learning how to do an H&P wouldn't have made them.

For residency apps, in ERAS there is a box you check off releasing your USMLE scores to ERAS, so whenever your CS score comes back, ERAS will have it. Regarding whether individual programs get your CS score as soon as ERAS gets it, it probably depends on the specific program and whether or not they periodically redownload things/check ERAS for updates. I don't know if programs have to physically go download your scores or if they get notified when the scores (or other updates) are available :shrug: Our school makes us take CS by November so that our scores are available for residencies before we rank, so I think that they'll at least be looking for it prior to ranking time.
 
I also had flashbacks after CS. For a solid week I was pretty fixated on all the mistakes that kept popping up in my head. At the time I was also trying to study for CK so often I'd read something that jogged a memory of an f'ed up patient encounter. It was miserable! I passed in the end, so it was all for nothing 😛 I am *sure* you passed too. I made some really embarassing mistakes. Like so embarrassing a second year just learning how to do an H&P wouldn't have made them.

For residency apps, in ERAS there is a box you check off releasing your USMLE scores to ERAS, so whenever your CS score comes back, ERAS will have it. Regarding whether individual programs get your CS score as soon as ERAS gets it, it probably depends on the specific program and whether or not they periodically redownload things/check ERAS for updates. I don't know if programs have to physically go download your scores or if they get notified when the scores (or other updates) are available :shrug: Our school makes us take CS by November so that our scores are available for residencies before we rank, so I think that they'll at least be looking for it prior to ranking time.

I think you have to retransmit scores or something like that once your scores become available. I don't think it's automatic but I'm not sure about this.
 
I also had flashbacks after CS. For a solid week I was pretty fixated on all the mistakes that kept popping up in my head. At the time I was also trying to study for CK so often I'd read something that jogged a memory of an f'ed up patient encounter. It was miserable! I passed in the end, so it was all for nothing 😛 I am *sure* you passed too. I made some really embarassing mistakes. Like so embarrassing a second year just learning how to do an H&P wouldn't have made them.

For residency apps, in ERAS there is a box you check off releasing your USMLE scores to ERAS, so whenever your CS score comes back, ERAS will have it. Regarding whether individual programs get your CS score as soon as ERAS gets it, it probably depends on the specific program and whether or not they periodically redownload things/check ERAS for updates. I don't know if programs have to physically go download your scores or if they get notified when the scores (or other updates) are available :shrug: Our school makes us take CS by November so that our scores are available for residencies before we rank, so I think that they'll at least be looking for it prior to ranking time.

Thanks for the encouragement. I actually did not feel too bad after the exam for a while until I found out I did marginal on my school's OSCE because I did not hit all the check boxes they have (which from what I've read are much more stringent than CS), so when I got my OSCE results I was kind of shocked. That's when I started worrying about CS, because despite them all feeling like straight forward patient encounters, I can't help but wonder if I did what the CS test people wanted to meet their requirements. Now it's been like a month and a half since I took CS, so it's all kind of a blur and I cannot even remember what all I missed. In true SDN neurotic fashion, that just makes me feel like everything I cannot remember must've been done incorrectly.

My school's OSCE must have weird requirements based on the feedback I got. Like almost every patient interaction had the criticism that I just introduced myself with my name, not "fourth year medical student." However, at the LA CS site, they told us in the morning that we can introduce ourselves as medical student, dr. such and such, etc., so that wouldn't have been an issue. They also wanted a baseline physical exam (regardless of CC) plus a physical exam focused on the chief complaint, and I just did the focused one (which was reflected in my patient note, so double point loss). I was confused why my OSCE vaginal bleeding patient knocked me for not using my stethescope, was I supposed to listen to her vagina bleeding? Again, they said focused physical in LA, and I have read from different people here recently who did not do heart and lungs on any patients without CV or respiratory complaints and passed.

I'm not convinced I failed, but I do wish I had just pushed this exam back until like December so it would not be something for me to worry about. Otherwise, I feel like I have a pretty solid application for ortho, but obviously a fail on CS showing up on my ERAS would trump everything else I have busted my ass to do...just cannot imagine that being overlooked.

Edit: I forgot to mention that my school drug their feel getting our OSCE results about as bad as NBME does with CS, so I did not get my OSCE results until a couple weeks after I had already taken CS. Basically the only utility those results had to me was adding stress. Since I am doing 4 ortho rotations back to back from August until mid November, I did not really have much choice other than to take CS in July or late November/December. I decided to just get it out of the way figuring with a pass rate in the high 90's% that there would be no reason to feel stressed about it; just show up, speak english, don't be a douche, and pass, right? Obviously a poor decision...haha.
 
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