Stigma being pre-vet?

[nohika]

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Has anyone encountered such a thing? When people ask me why I'm signed up for such-and-such class, I mention I'm considering going to vetmed and like to keep my options, and there's kind of a pause like "...what?" Course, I don't know any other pre-vets at my school...at all.

I was just curious if anyone's encountered such a thing. I try not to mention it much (I'm shy), but I've become friendly with some people in my class so when they ask, I do answer. It's always fun right now because I get snubbed by some of the pre-nursing students. 🙄 That bunch is oodles of fun.

Anyways. Was just curious if anyone else has seen this kind of thing?

 

[Smileystar5]

At my university 1/3 of the students are pre-med... so I do get alot of snubs. As if I chose to go to veterinary school because I wasn't making grades in my classes against all the pre-med geniuses. Of course, I know everyone on this blog knows how much more difficult it can be to get into vet school than med school.
Anyways, I usually combat this by trying to speak intelligently about the impact veterinary medicine has beyond just puppies and kittens.
Stay strong!!!!

 

[nohika]

At my university 1/3 of the students are pre-med... so I do get alot of snubs. As if I chose to go to veterinary school because I wasn't making grades in my classes against all the pre-med geniuses. Of course, I know everyone on this blog knows how much more difficult it can be to get into vet school than med school.
Anyways, I usually combat this by trying to speak intelligently about the impact veterinary medicine has beyond just puppies and kittens.
Stay strong!!!!

I think my FAVORITE (kinda) response was from another pre-nursing student in my human bio class who looked at me for a few seconds and went: "...you have to go to school to do that?" She was completely serious. I just started cracking up. Ahh, ignorant people...she was flabbergasted when I started explaining what I had to do.

 

[cowgirla]

Nothing here.
I went to a large (15000 undergrads) university, with seven colleges within. I think my graduating class from the College of Life Sciences was over 2000, so there are a lot of us science people around, and I'd say at least 250 in a "prevet" concentration for the class of 2008. (Not including those in gen bio, equine science, zoology, etc who plan on going to vet school)

 

[turnandburn]

I think my FAVORITE (kinda) response was from another pre-nursing student in my human bio class who looked at me for a few seconds and went: "...you have to go to school to do that?" She was completely serious. I just started cracking up. Ahh, ignorant people...she was flabbergasted when I started explaining what I had to do.

I was totally blown away when the head tech at my part time job didn't realize most vets attend 8 years of school 🙄

 

[primatevetjess]

I was once asked "Oh, is that a 2-year certificate program?" And she thought it was right after high school. It kills me.

 

[PigsRock]

Most people I talk to seem to "respect" pre-vet students... I'm an animal science major and most (or at least a majority of) people in the major start out pre-vet, but a lot of them can't handle freshman bio and chem, so they switch out of pre-vet. So it's not easy!

 

[sofficat]

You get such a wide variety of comments when you mention you are pre vet or vet student or whatever.

When I was prevet I had a few classmates roll their eyes and say sarcastically 'good luck with that' as if to say 'everyone at one point wants to be a vet but you won't get in.'

I've had the 2 yr program comment, and the local vet tech college was frequently mistaken as a vet school, etc etc

My favorite is when people say "Oh I always wanted to do that, but I just love animals too much" I think the next time someone says that I'm going to respond with "Yeah, because I don't really love them. I just want to put myself into 150k of debt and get paid a quarter of what MDs make because I kind of like them"

Then again, I have been on the other side of the fence too (*ashamed*). My mother-in-law is a high school teacher and so many of her kids want to be vets (she teaches the remedial students) and I often say to her or to myself the sarcastic "good luck with that..." 🙁 I know I know, some of them may excel in college and be great vets, but most are barely able to graduate high school.

 

[Danae00]

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[KiaKia]

Once I graduated from a heavily pre-med school and decided to go to vet school, I got the "aww you want to fix animals!! SO CUTE!" response once, but most of my now-in-med-school friends treat it just like going to any other professional school: a good decision, high debt, high reward.

 

[nohika]

I guess it could just be my school - I'm in a community college. Not super-many people here (that I've met) with graduate-school aspirations. More than likely, though, it's my classes. Statistics is probably the most "advanced" thing I'm taking right now, and even /that/ is full of pre-nursing students (go figure, since it's a pre-req to a local university). Maybe when I go more in to the science classes it will change?

Thanks all. 😍

 

[flyhi]

I get weird responses from vets themselves 😱. Just today, as a matter of fact, i took my dog in for a shot. This is my 3rd time to this practice and we've seen 3 different vets. After they ask me why i'm going to Scotland next year (usually the reason i'm there - to get something done for UK requirements), i smile and say 'i'm going to vet school' 😍 I've gotten one, 'wow, that's great', one 'oh' and one blank stare followed by him telling me that the hospitals are good over there, but you have to be careful in private practice (he got this info from a former prof from the UK like 20 years ago).

and, the techs usually just stare at me also. Weird for me, very weird.

Whereas, my internist the other day was like, 'that is so cool....i have this dog......' and we talked for 30 minutes! And my OB/GYN last week said, 'very cool. are you going to Edinburgh? that's a great school. i'm actually into horses and considering doing their online MSc in Equine....blah, blah blah'

go figure

 

[HopefulAg]

It seems like half of the Biomedical Science/Animal Science people at A&M are pre-vet so it's not rare at all. It's actually kind of odd to meet someone who isn't pre-vet in one of those programs. They're there, as pre-med, pre-dentistry, pre-PA, etc. but it seems most I met were pre-vet. Maybe we just gravitate towards one another.

 

[scb44f]

There are one or two people every year or so who apply to vet school from my school. We have quite a few pre-meds, I've known one pre-dent, and one pre-PA. But being at a primarily engineering school, people are intrigued to hear about engineering majors wanting to go on to medicine. Only my advisor, the pre-health advisor, one of my other professors, and my friends know I am pre-vet. The vet I've been shadowing made a point of saying within the first month of me being there that I'd make more money as an engineer, so I've been trying to show him that this is my passion. (I think it's been working... he let me give a shot the other day. It was super exciting!)

Anyway, most people I've talked to don't straight up say, "Isn't that a 2 year program?" but they do ask, "So what do you have to do for that?" and have surprised looks on their faces when I tell them.

 

[PicklePie]

My grandma kept telling me I shouldn't waste my time with undergrad, I should just go to a vet tech school. It was hard to convince her that being a vet and being a tech aren't really the same.

 

[sumstorm]

My favorite is when people say "Oh I always wanted to do that, but I just love animals too much" I think the next time someone says that I'm going to respond with "Yeah, because I don't really love them. I just want to put myself into 150k of debt and get paid a quarter of what MDs make because I kind of like them"

Apparently, I keep running into people who were accepted at a bunch of vet schools but then chose not to go to any. At this point, I have had 27 people say 'I got in but....' I started keeping count because it seemed like such an odd response. People in every profession, but in particular vet assistants.

 

[sofficat]

Apparently, I keep running into people who were accepted at a bunch of vet schools but then chose not to go to any. At this point, I have had 27 people say 'I got in but....' I started keeping count because it seemed like such an odd response. People in every profession, but in particular vet assistants.

What?! That is weird. 27? Are they talking about undergrad or actual vet school? I couldn't imagine that many people would get in vet school then decide against it. By the time you apply you are pretty hard core about it. What an odd thing to say. Maybe to try to prove they are smart too?

 

[jpeterman13]

I get that all the time being one of three pre vet people at my school...and being a guy. And I swear, the next time I hear someone say that they are "pre-med" I'm going to scream. I TA for a BIO I course and one of the students said "What, couldn't you get into med school?". People just do not understand, especially my grandfather, why I don't go to med school.

 

[HopefulAg]

What?! That is weird. 27? Are they talking about undergrad or actual vet school?

There's a ton of people who consider them being pre-vet in UG as being in 'vet school' lol. I get that a lot here.


"Yah I was in vet school for 2 years but then switched majors"

Wut?

 

[aspiringDVM]

People just do not understand, especially my grandfather, why I don't go to med school.

Yeah, my grandfather always asked why I didn't want to be a "real doctor," because I clearly "had the genes for it" (meaning his and my grandmother's genes, lol). I *cough* may or may not have finally snapped and informed him in a joking-but-actually-serious manner that I didn't want to be an MD because then I would have to deal with with grouchy old men all day (even though we all know that vet med is definitely a people profession). Never had trouble after that 😀
I am literally the only pre-vet in my class, with LOADS of pre-med students. They are pretty clueless about vet med in general (and think that shadowing for 100 hours in your chosen field is outstanding), but I've never felt stigmatized. Running into lab after work wearing bloody scrubs probably gave me some additional street cred, though

 

[badcats]

Funny hearing that pre-vet is such a minority other places since they seem so in your face at my school. I guess they are pretty even with pre-med as far as numbers go, but they are in separate colleges, with pre-med usually bio, biotech, or mic majors and pre-vetters heavily animal & vet science with focus in "graduate studies".

It is interesting because I have spoken to people in the Ag college who are also aplying to vet school and they look at me like I am an idiot for being in the college of science.

I have now become prejudiced against traditional pre-vets at my school. Freaking catty estrogen ocean

 

[nohika]

Y'know, the one response I haven't gotten is "why don't you become a real doctor?" or anything relating to human MD. I had heard it was a fairly common response, just never witnessed it myself. I'm guessing I'll see a lot more pre-vets in my sciences classes, and probably a lot more when I switch colleges - since the main state university in my state /is/ a vet school. So that will be a big change for me, I guess. 😱

It's definitely interesting to see what everyone else thinks! 😍

 

[168135]

I always get, "You want to be a vet? I wanted to be one when I was 5!"

I'm the only pre-vet in my university. Not really sure how many of us there are in the sciences... if you count nursing and public health, which have the most people, maybe 500. There are probably 50 bio majors in my year and 6 chem majors... gives you an idea of how many of us there are 😛

Usually the people who ask what I'm taking are familiar with how tough the road is and make comment on how smart I am or how much work it is.

 

[Willowhand]

Some of my relatives seem to have a realistic picture of what vet med takes, others do not. Perhaps I should start leaving my orgo books, physics exams, and genetics papers around and pointing out that this is only some of what I have to know to be able to apply to vet school 😉

 

[cwazy cat lady]

Hmm... I didn't tell hardly anyone (I don't announce things until they are actualities and not plans/ideas 🙄). But the few responses I got included:

--getting into vet school is generally harder than getting into med school (this from a maths prof at UofO so he wasn't clueless).

--people asking if I am going to go to the local U (Umm... no, cuz it hasn't got a vet school!)

--people asking how long it takes and being surprised... (okay, you learn to practice medicine on multiple species in 4 years!)

--people wondering if I can just go to the local institutes where the Vet Tech programs are.

Overall: a bit of ignorance... My impression is that people around here really respect veterinarians, though.

 

[marycatherine]

Seeing as I just switched career paths I haven't really had to tell many people. I go to a school where it's not particularly weird to be pre-vet as long as you're ridiculously driven-- like everyone else. I go to one of the "public Ivies" and everyone here seems to either go to grad school, professional school, or enter a great job right after graduation. It's not very easy to say "I'm going to live at home and take classes for 2 years"-- so I've got a lot more trouble with that than "I'm pre-vet!"

 

[StayingHopeful]

I have gotten most of the ranges of responses you guys have too although now that I'm in vet school the response is mostly... "So my dog has been acting funny lately, can you come take a look at him?" to which I have to nicely say something to the effect of...after 2.5 months of classes and mostly exotics experience, and not being a vet, I can't diagnose their pets. Actually, our Ethics prof is married to a vet and he said that spouses of vets get that too - as if they pick up the knowledge by osmosis.

I do seem to get a lot of people ask if vet school is like a training program instead of college - grrr - if only they knew what we go through!!

I usually don't say "VetMed" to non-vet students/pre-vetters because hearing "___Med" seems to get them confused.

 

[cwazy cat lady]

Seeing as I just switched career paths I haven't really had to tell many people. I go to a school where it's not particularly weird to be pre-vet as long as you're ridiculously driven-- like everyone else. I go to one of the "public Ivies" and everyone here seems to either go to grad school, professional school, or enter a great job right after graduation. It's not very easy to say "I'm going to live at home and take classes for 2 years"-- so I've got a lot more trouble with that than "I'm pre-vet!"

Ha! I did just that. And two years turned into 5... although I have been working for awhile now! It actually has its benefits. 🙂

 

[HopefulAg]

Perhaps I should start leaving my orgo books, physics exams, and genetics papers around and pointing out that this is only some of what I have to know to be able to apply to vet school

Heh, reminds me of when my parents were up for a visit they found an ochem synthesis problem set. They looked at it for a while and then my mom finally goes "You actually understand this?!" Got to explalin Wigger's diagram to her as well.

Bonus was that was my first semester of my sophomore year; up til then they were complaining about me not getting all A's and I noticed a sharp decline in complaints in future conversations. 😉

 

[Lckynmbrslefman]

I also got a lot of those "is that a two year program?" responses and "why don't you want to do human med?" while in undergrad, but my school had a lot of prevetters so we stuck together.

However, I was surprised when I got to vet school...you suddenly get a lot more respect!! We have our first semester classes in the med school and thus occasionally interact with those students....they definitely understand the difficulty of our program since they have the same classes but their classes only focus on one species!

I overheard one of them talking in the bathroom about anatomy...
"I wouldn't want to be one of the vet students...their exam is cumulative and I couldn't imagine comparing anat for more than one species..."

Also, I've heard a lot of med students say that they initially wanted to be a vet but it was too hard to get in so they went premed!!😉

 

[ERA8669]

I was once asked "Oh, is that a 2-year certificate program?" And she thought it was right after high school. It kills me.

First of all, let me just say that it is really pathetic that I am posting on here seeing as I am pre-dental and not pre-vet BUT I am procrastinating more than I ever have in my entire life seeing as it is my last week of classes before I finish my bachelor's degree. I used to want to go to vet school and decided that it wasn't for me, hence the switch to dental school. However, since I am procrastinating so badly I decided to read up on what my life COULD be like at this point, and just HAD to comment on this thread. I'm pathetic, I know.

So as a pre-vet student I was lucky to never run into this sigma, and luckily most everyone I met seemed to know that getting into vet school is actually harder than getting into other professional schools. I guess I was just lucky. But as a pre-dental student I cannot tell you how many people ask me, "Oh is dental school like a 1 year program??" or.. "Oh you will make a great dental hygienist!" REALLY!? Do people really think that after a year you can drill in people's mouths, place implants, administer anesthetic, and prescribe all the medicine you want!? WHY are people so ignorant??? It's extremely frustrating after all the work we put in to finally be doctors one day. I just don't get it.

Anyways, veterinary medicine is an extremely respectable career and I will spread the word as much as possible if I ever encounter anyone that thinks vet school is a 1-2 year program. So obnoxious!!

 

[Bearby]

First of all, let me just say that it is really pathetic that I am posting on here seeing as I am pre-dental and not pre-vet BUT I am procrastinating more than I ever have in my entire life seeing as it is my last week of classes before I finish my bachelor's degree. I used to want to go to vet school and decided that it wasn't for me, hence the switch to dental school. However, since I am procrastinating so badly I decided to read up on what my life COULD be like at this point, and just HAD to comment on this thread. I'm pathetic, I know.

That's funny, I'm the opposite. I thought about going to Dental school and then specializing in orthodontics but I realized that it wasn't for me. Not that I don't think it would be a good job, but I like teeth when they're pretty and straight and while I would be focusing on straightening peoples teeth, the ugly sets I would have to look at through school and before any adjustment started would make me cringe. I guess it's like when you talk to people who say that they couldn't be a vet because they love animals so much...I couldn't be a dentist/orthodontist because I love teeth too much. Haha, I'm really strange.

I've been very luck and have gone to school where there were a significant number of animal science/pre-vet majors. It was pretty well known that vet school was hard to get into. I think that people who are older than me, like friends of my parents, have more of an incorrect idea of what it means to go to vet school than my peers.

 

[deleted266066]

I go to a pretty large school with many many pre-med kids. After switching from pre-med to pre-vet, the pretty much unanimous reaction from any student or teacher was "oh wow, that's even harder to get into than med school isn't it! You're crazy, but good for you that's awesome and good luck!" My boyfriend gets a little bitter when he hears people say this... he's in the middle of med school interviews right now, and is competing for spots in the "top 20" med schools in the US lol. I think that the absolute top med schools are harder to get into than vet school in general (I would never claim it to be more difficult to get into my instate vet school than Harvard med!), and I let him know that so he doesn't feel snubbed haha. I think the biggest issue is that there are many med schools in the "lower" and "middle" tiers, so it's ok for the students that can't get into the top schools because going to any med school is quite respectable; on the other hand, there are no real "low" division vet schools. They're all tough to get into, but our problem is more of a chance by numbers game. So then we have to have insane experience leading up to even just applying! I think this is part of why the top vet school acceptance GPA's are often lower than the top med schools - we have to spend a ton of our time doing extracurricular work, which we could have instead spent studying if all we needed was a hundred hours of volunteering. We also can't turn to obtaining a DO instead of an MD equivalent for the DVM either.

People outside of academia though don't seem to understand what vet school requirements are. My dad constantly asks me "so that's a 2 year program after undergrad right?"... I have told him countless times about the rigor and length of the program, but he keeps forgetting. Grrr. He also was always confused about how med school worked too though so I guess I can't get too mad at him! All in all, people outside of school seem to respect the career, but I don't think they have any idea that it's actually fairly similar to a "med school" path in terms of the rigor of the program (up until residency that is).

 

[Chapelle]

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[georgie339]

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[ckd816]

I get a lot of: "Oh cool! I have a friend who is doing that in Utah." (Or insert any place without an actual vet school!) I feel like most people don't understand the difference between tech school and vet school.

I also had a lady tell me she knew someone applying to Colorado State in February...?? She said her application wasn't due in October because she wasn't planning on starting in the fall. Who knows what was going on there.

 

[DVMDream]

I also had a lady tell me she knew someone applying to Colorado State in February...?? She said her application wasn't due in October because she wasn't planning on starting in the fall. Who knows what was going on there.

I had a friend who was "pre-vet" or so she claimed and when I asked her when she was planning on applying she said that she was going to take a semester off and then apply to matriculate in the Spring term. I then asked what schools she was applying to and she mentioned a bunch of US schools. I was like you are pre-vet and don't even know when to apply/when schools matriculate students. What was really sad was that she was a senior and had planned on vet school throughout her entire undergrad.

 

[clairbear]

I had a girl in my high school class who thought she was going to vet school right after high school, no joke. I didn't have the heart to tell her that becoming a vet takes more than that, and that her school was just a tech school.

My family asks me all the time why don't you just try to become a human doctor so you can take care of us? At least they understand the education it takes though and were very supportive when I freaked out about school earlier this year.

I'm pretty lucky at my college though. I go to a pretty small school, but all the pre-health freshmen have a class together and we've went over what it takes to get into the different graduate schools as a class, so I've met two or three other pre-vets plus a couple of older ones.

 

[Crazy Hippos]

Ugh. Yeah. I get these responses all the time:

1. Is that a 2-year program? No, it's just like med school. So it's just like being a real doctor?
2. You don't think you're smart enough to get into med school?
3. You don't like people?
4. Oh.

 

[DickVetPlease]

I actually haven't had any reactions like these. Normally, people say that they heard it was really difficult and competitive, and wish me luck.

Or, if they don't have a clue about vet school, they'll just say "Oh wow, that's really cool!"

I'm sure i'll get some of these not-so-positive reactions sooners or later

 

[nohika]

The ignorant responses make me laugh more than anything - I got upset about it the first few times, now it's just amusing. Course, I'm in classes with a bunch of pre-nursing people, so I forgive them - some of them are TONS more ignorant than others.

Though I don't get the ones like "Why aren't you going to be a /real/ doctor?" or anything of the like. Least not yet. Well...maybe from my mother. 👎 As is life, though.

 

[sofficat]

I had a girl in my high school class who thought she was going to vet school right after high school, no joke. I didn't have the heart to tell her that becoming a vet takes more than that, and that her school was just a tech school.

oh that kills me. I totally would have broken her bubble- not to be a meanie (well, maybe a little)- but to inform her, and prevent her from sounding ignorant again. She's gonna have to learn sooner or later that her 18 months of training does NOT equal Doctor!!

 

[radio2020]

I am sure like many of you, your families think you will OF COURSE get right into vet school. They can't even imagine why I would apply to more than my in state. I just explained how many applications each school gets, and how many students are accepted, and how many school there are in the U.S. THe numbers speak for themselves. A majority of people I encounter know that veterinary school is a professional degree. Hell, even my great-grandmother, who is 94, says to me ALL THE TIME...."Vet school is way harder then med school, because you have to know how to treat ALL the animals.".

 

[DVMDream]

I am sure like many of you, your families think you will OF COURSE get right into vet school.

This!! I know my family is just trying to be supportive. But, they are always like, "I know you will get in." I try to explain to them how hard it is and how nervous I am, but they are always like, "Don't worry; you will get in." I still don't think they understand exactly how competitive and difficult it is.

 

[causticus]

This!! I know my family is just trying to be supportive. But, they are always like, "I know you will get in." I try to explain to them how hard it is and how nervous I am, but they are always like, "Don't worry; you will get in." I still don't think they understand exactly how competitive and difficult it is.

+1 to both of these comments. And since you are obviously SO smart and will DEFINITELY get in on your first try, there must be something wrong with you if you are applying 2, 3....4 times 🙁

My family was very supportive at first, but after the second application cycle (this year is #4), that started to change. I don't think they realize how difficult it is and what a huge committment it takes to pursue this. They think I am just wasting my time applying year after year. Ironically these are the same parents who told their little girl growing up that anything was possible if she worked hard enough for it. 😕

 

[EqSci]

There's a ton of people who consider them being pre-vet in UG as being in 'vet school' lol. I get that a lot here.


"Yah I was in vet school for 2 years but then switched majors"

Wut?

I got that for the first time recently. I was arguing with someone online (actually about how most vets DON'T rip people off, funnily enough since that is a recent thread here too!) and after many posts she said, "....I know, I got into vet school but I decided to get married instead".

??? ....ummm, no, probably not. Possible, but not likely. More likely you were accepted to a pre-vet program.

 

[WildlifeStudy]

I am a tech at a hospital right across the street from a med school, and we get a ton of those students bringing in their pets. A lot of the students are the ones that cringe the most when we go to work with their pets. When discussing vet school with med students and other clients, I've gotten responses from, "You're so brave, I could never bear to stick a little innocent puppy, " to "It must be so hard because they can't tell you where they hurt" and "I'm having enough trouble memorizing everything from ONE species, let alone all those!". Even though I will get the occasional doubtful glare, I find that people respect the profession, and realize how difficult it is.
As a tech, clients occasionally mistake my work for the vet's, but when I go in, I introduce myself and say I'm the tech, here to collect some basic information, and the doctor will be right in. Once we start working together, I think that they can see the difference between 2 and 8 years of work. A lot of people actually assume that because I'm there I am planning on becoming a vet, which is not true of the other three techs I work with, nor with the majority of people that graduated from tech school with me.

 

[Kilroy8031]

I'm no longer a pre-vet student, I've switched to pre-med, but I know what you guys are talking about. I used to not tell people I was pre-vet, because so many people at my university are.

Whenever someone would ask and I would tell them pre-vet their voice would change and they'd say something like "oh, that's nice". Kind of like talking to a small child who says they want to be an astronaut.

Though thats not nearly as bad as when an older woman I know once introduced me to her horsey friends as a "future vetrinarian". It was good to know she had confidence in me, but talk about laying on the pressure and expectations.

 

[DVMDream]

+1 to both of these comments. And since you are obviously SO smart and will DEFINITELY get in on your first try, there must be something wrong with you if you are applying 2, 3....4 times 🙁

My family was very supportive at first, but after the second application cycle (this year is #4), that started to change. I don't think they realize how difficult it is and what a huge committment it takes to pursue this. They think I am just wasting my time applying year after year. Ironically these are the same parents who told their little girl growing up that anything was possible if she worked hard enough for it. 😕

Good Luck causticus!! I really, really hope you get in!! You deserve it!!

Currently, I am having people tell me, "I know you will get in you have all of that experience.” I will tell them yes, I have quite a bit of SA experience, but I have NO LA experience and experience isn’t everything. There are also grades, GRE, PS, and eLOR’s. I still do not think they get it. They still think that I am just being too critical of myself and that I will easily get in (I wish).

 

[deleted266066]

Though thats not nearly as bad as when an older woman I know once introduced me to her horsey friends as a "future vetrinarian". It was good to know she had confidence in me, but talk about laying on the pressure and expectations.

It never bothers me when people refer to me as a "future veterinarian" 🙂 It gives me a little more motivation to make sure I can make it happen! When I was pre-med, at the hospital people would always tell me "oh no no, don't say you're going to TRY to be a doctor. Say you WILL be a doctor!" Sometimes that's unrealistic, but now that I've switched to pre-vet I'm totally psyched and ready to do whatever it takes to get my DVM woo!