straight through--fp

[greatbigbuff]

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I was just wondering about the odds of being able to go straight into residency for family practice in the Navy. Also, is this a good idea for somebody who wants to leave the US as little as possible? I would prefer to do my residency, then get stationed somewhere on the east coast. Thanks!

 

[bobbyseal]

I'm a Navy HPSP'er and my feeling is good luck going straight through with the Navy and FP. I don't think it happens that often.

I have met 2 family med docs in the Navy. One was ROTC, did USUHS and did a Navy residency in FP. He ended up in Okinawa for a year with the Marines.

The other family med doc was a prior enlisted SeAL. Did college, med school, and residency outside of Navy with only the FAP during residency. So, he didn't have to do a GMO since he was civililan during training.

As for location, I think family med docs can be shuttled around wherever. The FP's can deliver primary care just about anywhere, vs. an interventional radiologist who needs all her toys. Thus, you all can find yourselves whereever the Navy might need you rather than where the Navy can accomodate you.

BTW, this is all anecdotal and gut feelings about the Navy. I don't have any evidence to point you towards.

 

[Spang]

Buff-

I can give you exact numbers on straight-throughs for FP and others (from 2002 JSGMESB) when I get back from Thanksgiving break. It's not a secret.

Spang

 

[Teufelhunden]

Originally posted by Spang
Buff-

I can give you exact numbers on straight-throughs for FP and others (from 2002 JSGMESB) when I get back from Thanksgiving break. It's not a secret.

Spang

I'm looking forward to your post. Why are these numbers such a big secret? The only aspect of HPSP I can't stand is the fact that I have NO CLUE as to what my chances are of going 'straight through' in various programs.

I'd be intersted to know the #s for FP, OBGYN, IM and Psych (?)

 

[Spang]

Okay, these are the numbers selected for straight-through training for Navy programs for (2001, 2002, 2003):

Anesth (11,10,3)
FP (10,15,21)
IM (16,9,17)
Neuro (2,1,2)
Neuro Surg (1,1,1)
OB/GYN (10,11,8)
Peds (7,5,5)
Path (0,1,3)
Psych (7,7,6)
Surgery (1,2,3)

The USUHS:HPSP ratio each year is about 50:280 but varies depending on recruiting goals for HPSP (eg. 2004 has only 215 HPSP grads). There are 257 GME-1 Navy inservice positions each year, so subtract USUHS grad (50) and about 12 returning GMO's etc for a total of 62 and you get about 195 slots for the 215-280 HPSP grads.

Hope this helps, let me know if I can provide any other info.


Spang

 

[bobbyseal]

The rumor is that classes of 2005 and 2006 have over 300 grad's.

Do you all think this means that the Navy would be more liberal on giving out full deferments because there may be too may docs to train in the Navy?

 

[Teufelhunden]

Originally posted by bobbyseal
The rumor is that classes of 2005 and 2006 have over 300 grad's.

Do you all think this means that the Navy would be more liberal on giving out full deferments because there may be too may docs to train in the Navy?

Wow, good question.

What's the "normal" or "usual" number of HPSP/USUHS grads? i.e. how much in excess our we? (I'm class of 2005)

 

[Spang]

The "average" HPSP class is 280, I really have no idea what the class of 2005 & 2006 looks like. My opinion, strictly opinion, is that it will not be the 300+ you may have heard. I say that because I know for a fact there were last-minute, second-look fills for the class of 2006. Just the laws of numbers would argue against a class of 215 followed by a class of 300+ unless there was some holdback on the Navy's part in the class of 2004 (in other words would that many more people really want the HPSP the following year?)

As for full deferments, again my opinion, is that the number of 1 year deferrments must increase in order for the Navy to meet the 400+ GMO billets it has to fill, assuming 200 of them turnover every year, but that the rate of specialist turnover is somewhat slower. So I would guess, just a guess, that the number of 1 year deferrments will increase and the straight throughs may increase before that, but that the number of full deferrments may not.

As a disclaimer, I was an active duty Navy pilot for about 13 years before separating and taking a 3 year HPSP. I have no affiliation with the Navy or Navy medicine other than that. The info I have comes from NMETC and friends who are Navy docs.

Glad to help,

Spang