Student Loan Bubble Starting to Burst?

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Yep and you thought the housing crisis was bad...Now take that, add a pinch of "socialized health care" == world full of DNP's. We all know tuition isn't going down, lest we kid ourselves. Pretty good outlook on medicine right? The smart thing would be to stay away, sort of wish I had.
 
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Well, I made a lot of mistakes when signing up for my loans, but I was uneducated on the process and on the repayment and now I’m stuck.

While I feel bad for people with high loan amounts and who are having difficulty paying them off, this excuse is a stupid one and makes me lose all sympathy.
 
Dont worry. As the options to practice medicine become more numerous and lucrative the cost of med school goes up, and salaries for doctors goes down, people will eventually stop going to med school. Then schools might consider lowering tuition.

For now, we can just e-mail our representatives and hope they consider lowering interest, capping tuition, or helping out recent grads, none of which I see happening any time soon.
 
While I feel bad for people with high loan amounts and who are having difficulty paying them off, this excuse is a stupid one and makes me lose all sympathy.

It's a very similar excuse to the ones being thrown about wrt the housing crisis - while it may be stupid, it is also very common. Med students by and large take what is given, no questions asked, when it comes to loans. The alternative after all is...what? Private loans? Don't go to med school?
 
It's a very similar excuse to the ones being thrown about wrt the housing crisis - while it may be stupid, it is also very common. Med students by and large take what is given, no questions asked, when it comes to loans. The alternative after all is...what? Private loans? Don't go to med school?

Yes and yes. Or the military. Or NHSC.
But the argument of "I didn't look before I leaped" is ridiculous.
 
Yes and yes. Or the military. Or NHSC.
But the argument of "I didn't look before I leaped" is ridiculous.

I don't think it's that easy - you take a group of people (most of whom are still, maturity-wise, essentially kids) who have been working towards one goal (getting into med school).

Then the meds schools say "that will be 150K...here's your loan...enjoy" - I don't think there are very many with the guts to just say no thank you.

There are very few options to avoid taking those loans for the average student; it's not like this is a small group of students here taking out these loans.
 
While I feel bad for people with high loan amounts and who are having difficulty paying them off, this excuse is a stupid one and makes me lose all sympathy.
This loan repayment is going to affect everyone equally, no matter how high or low your debt is. I understand what you're saying though.....I know people that take out way more than they need, and then there's the ppl that have a $50,000/yr tuition (YIKES) that actually need it.

I really hope it changes, It's been stressing me out trying to find a place to live that isn't in a high crime area. Even though $365/mo. doesn't sound like a lot, it is when we will only be making $45,000 a year. It will suck even more for the people living in an area with high city tax (i.e. Philly 4%). I won't be able to do it, unless I live in a crackhouse and ***** myself out for extra cash. And I don't even want to think about forebearance and owing more than I already do. God this sucks so bad. Now I need an Ativan.
 
I don't think it's that easy - you take a group of people (most of whom are still, maturity-wise, essentially kids) who have been working towards one goal (getting into med school).

Then the meds schools say "that will be 150K...here's your loan...enjoy" - I don't think there are very many with the guts to just say no thank you.

There are very few options to avoid taking those loans for the average student; it's not like this is a small group of students here taking out these loans.

Then perhaps we should institute a minimum age of matriculation... set it at a point where people have the maturity to read and understand a loan contract and the consequences.
 
Then perhaps we should institute a minimum age of matriculation... set it at a point where people have the maturity to read and understand a loan contract and the consequences.

If you keep everyone out of med school who doesn't know what they are getting into (wrt loans or just in general), you're going to have a big shortage of med students.

My only points are that (a) this problem (whether you find it excusable or not) is very common and (b) I think at least a portion of the blame needs to be on the schools and the lenders
 
My only points are that (a) this problem (whether you find it excusable or not) is very common and (b) I think at least a portion of the blame needs to be on the schools and the lenders

Yes, it's very common.
But I think otherwise we'll have to agree to disagree... philosophical differences and whatnot
 
If you keep everyone out of med school who doesn't know what they are getting into (wrt loans or just in general), you're going to have a big shortage of med students.

My only points are that (a) this problem (whether you find it excusable or not) is very common and (b) I think at least a portion of the blame needs to be on the schools and the lenders

well hold on now. How about the people that took out a loan based upon the current structure of medicine? They may have made a cost benefit analysis and decided the loan was worth it...now the gov comes along, crams broader gov. funded medicine down thier throats and effectively cuts pay. How is that the borrowers fault. If im in the NFL making millions and decide to buy a mansion and the next year the gov decides to cut my pay and I can't afford it is that my fault too? There has to be some sort of recognition that the rules were switched on these people.
 
This loan repayment is going to affect everyone equally, no matter how high or low your debt is. I understand what you're saying though.....I know people that take out way more than they need, and then there's the ppl that have a $50,000/yr tuition (YIKES) that actually need it.

I really hope it changes, It's been stressing me out trying to find a place to live that isn't in a high crime area. Even though $365/mo. doesn't sound like a lot, it is when we will only be making $45,000 a year. It will suck even more for the people living in an area with high city tax (i.e. Philly 4%). I won't be able to do it, unless I live in a crackhouse and ***** myself out for extra cash. And I don't even want to think about forebearance and owing more than I already do. God this sucks so bad. Now I need an Ativan.

The loan repayment does not affect everyone equally. It has a much greater effect on US med school grads than on non-Caribbean FMGs. I have met many residents from foreign countries like India, China, France, Italy, etc. who have had little or no student debt. It is a lot easire for one of these foreign residents with little debt to take a primary care job for 110K per year than it is for US grads with monster debts.
 
I am a non-trad, married with 3 kids, and starting medical school this fall. All through undergrad I have been "looking before leaping" taking all my options into account, talking to doctors about possible routes. Now that I have been accepted, I have found out that there are literally no more lenders offering loans past the COA for the school, and since my school's COA is based on a single student with no dependents, then we are left to figure out how to house, feed, and clothe a family of 5 on a 19k a year.

I am trying really hard to not to be bitter, but everyone told me that the loans would be available. We were not taking out student loans to buy a new car or a plasma-screen tv, we wanted enough to cover health insurance, and have an emergency fund.

I still want to be a doctor, but I am worried about my financial future. My only hope is that I can graduate, and get through residency, and get my loans paid off before, my salary gets cut in half by the populist dick-munch politicians who are busy collecting kickbacks and bribes for doing nothing.
 
well hold on now. How about the people that took out a loan based upon the current structure of medicine? They may have made a cost benefit analysis and decided the loan was worth it...now the gov comes along, crams broader gov. funded medicine down thier throats and effectively cuts pay. How is that the borrowers fault.

That's a different situation. The article which started this discussion was based on "I have this loan that I didn't understand when I signed up for it". In your scenario the person did fully understand the loan but then regulations changed.

Those people I do have sympathy for.
 
I am a non-trad, married with 3 kids, and starting medical school this fall. All through undergrad I have been "looking before leaping" taking all my options into account, talking to doctors about possible routes. Now that I have been accepted, I have found out that there are literally no more lenders offering loans past the COA for the school, and since my school's COA is based on a single student with no dependents, then we are left to figure out how to house, feed, and clothe a family of 5 on a 19k a year.

I am trying really hard to not to be bitter, but everyone told me that the loans would be available. We were not taking out student loans to buy a new car or a plasma-screen tv, we wanted enough to cover health insurance, and have an emergency fund.

I still want to be a doctor, but I am worried about my financial future. My only hope is that I can graduate, and get through residency, and get my loans paid off before, my salary gets cut in half by the populist dick-munch politicians who are busy collecting kickbacks and bribes for doing nothing.

talk to your schools finacial aid department, they can increase it for a family. I know my school gave larger COA for health insurance and day care etc. it wont be everything you need but itll help
 
talk to your schools finacial aid department, they can increase it for a family. I know my school gave larger COA for health insurance and day care etc. it wont be everything you need but itll help

Unfortunately, that seems to be true on a school by school basis. We could get extra money for child care, but we would like to avoid putting our children in daycare if at all possible.
 
Unfortunately, that seems to be true on a school by school basis. We could get extra money for child care, but we would like to avoid putting our children in daycare if at all possible.

your wife will not be working then while you are in medical school?

did you really expect student loans to be available that would cover the cost of living for five people while only one of them is in school? i'm not sure who led you to believe that was possible.
 
Quoted from the article:

"I chose to go to a private school and I chose to work in a field where the starting salaries are low. Does that mean that I chose to live a life of struggle, wondering how I am going to pay my rent, afford the basics of living and still stay in my chosen career field…all while putting up with high interest rates and an amount of debt that brings me to tears?"

I'm sorry but that is just plain ridiculous. I mean, yes, that is what you chose. You could have gone to a cheaper school or chosen a more lucrative career. You didn't, so now you live with the consequences. That's what choice means.

I really sympathize with people who get no help from their families and struggle to make it through a 4 year state school while working two jobs or the single mom who goes back to college. Or anyone going to medical school 😉 But choosing to go to a private undergraduate school knowingly getting into six figures of debt is a whole different story than getting into loads of debt with an MD, DO, or a JD from a reasonably good law school. No bachelor's degree is going to let you pay off six figures of debt very easily. Assuming this girl was 17 or so when she decided to go to Fancy Expensive Univ, I don't necessarily hold her totally responsible for mortgaging away her financial future. Where the heck were her parents in this, or were they so caught up in Fancy Expensive University's big name and ivy covered walls that they got taken in, too?

My husband and I (we were high school sweethearts) passed up MIT and Hopkins respectively because although we both got in, we couldn't afford. And you know who told us we couldn't afford it? Our respective parents. Because they realized Univ. of State and State Tech would still get us where we wanted to go in life and would do so debt free. Best decisions we ever made.

I place a lot of blame on the parents for raising their children's expectations and letting them get into this mess in the first place. Probably the same people who bought a $500,000 house with an exotic mortgage that's now in default.

Live within your means people!
 
your wife will not be working then while you are in medical school?

did you really expect student loans to be available that would cover the cost of living for five people while only one of them is in school? i'm not sure who led you to believe that was possible.

I know 10 families off the top of my head who have done it and are doing it. I am in Texas, so tuition is 6k/year. We also live on a very modest budget. We have one car that is paid for, we don't have cable, cell phones, etc. With this budget, we are still looking at a 5k annual deficit. Our total debt for medical school (assuming we could get a loan) would be 150k. I don't think this is unreasonable at all.
 
well hold on now. How about the people that took out a loan based upon the current structure of medicine? They may have made a cost benefit analysis and decided the loan was worth it...now the gov comes along, crams broader gov. funded medicine down thier throats and effectively cuts pay. How is that the borrowers fault. If im in the NFL making millions and decide to buy a mansion and the next year the gov decides to cut my pay and I can't afford it is that my fault too? There has to be some sort of recognition that the rules were switched on these people.

Totally. I'm terrified about being part the last generation of physicians to graduate with maximum debit and the first generation of physicians to be forced into government service.
 
My husband and I (we were high school sweethearts) passed up MIT and Hopkins respectively because although we both got in, we couldn't afford. And you know who told us we couldn't afford it? Our respective parents. Because they realized Univ. of State and State Tech would still get us where we wanted to go in life and would do so debt free. Best decisions we ever made.

I place a lot of blame on the parents for raising their children's expectations and letting them get into this mess in the first place. Probably the same people who bought a $500,000 house with an exotic mortgage that's now in default.

Live within your means people!

While I generally agree with the sentiment that college students should pick colleges with an eye on future economic goals (i.e don't attend an expensive college for social work). I should point out that there are a few things that an undergrad degree from a top notch university is very helpful.

MIT sends about a quarter of their students to Wall Street (before the crash), UofPenn undergrad business grads also has a high percentage of people entering hedge fund companies etc upon graduation. These are difficult to attain jobs that few college grads will be able to get, especially if they attend a less well stellar program. My school had a visit from McKinsey consulting, evidently an elite consulting company and they took one applicant, out of probably 80-100 people interviewed. They were pretty snooty too, only attending a handful of undergrads (although I think they only came to visit, not really to hire, our bschool is good, not great).

Our school has a top notch premed program and I was told by friends that while interviewing at other top med schools, they noticed the students came from the same schools. The consensus seems to be that it helps to have a Harvard degree when applying to Harvard/Yale/Stanford med school.

So while students who have definitive plans may want to avoid certain schools for cost reasons, others may want to leave doors open and attend a more expensive school because that "fancy pants" school may open some doors that would otherwise be harder to pry open. Not to say that most people want to attend expensive graduate schools or work for Wall Street, but money doesn't have to be the sole factor preventing students from doing such things. A family friend's child wanted to attend Harvard very badly. Her parents asked her to find a way to chip in. They figured if she was smart enough to get into Harvard, she'll be smart enough to find other scholarships to pay for it.....and they were right. She found scholarship to cover 1/3rd of the cost, Harvard chipped in, and her family chipped in some. It was still more expensive to send her to Harvard than the local state school, but they figured they could afford the smaller increase in cost for Harvard vs. State U.

What students should do (especially now), is to carefully weigh out the cost of the school they're attending. Students should not blindly take the loans given and pay the full price. Scholarships, work study programs, and negotiating with school financial aid office should all be used to minimize debt----well, unless you attend med school, our options are much more limited. 😀
 
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Totally. I'm terrified about being part the last generation of physicians to graduate with maximum debit and the first generation of physicians to be forced into government service.


AMEN to that, brother!!! Here's to hoping that I'll be able to pay off those loans and buy a house before retirement age!!
 
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