Student Loan Restructuring and Forgiveness

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Slraf.com. A law school friend was telling me about this website, where they restructure your loans to extremely low payments and then after 25 years your loans are forgiven. Is it worth it after having to pay tax on the forgiven amount? Has anybody done this? Is there a catch?

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http://www.newsmax.com/US/obama-student-loan-forgiveness/2013/05/10/id/503865

The program already allows most borrowers with loans issued since October 2007 to make payments equal to 10 percent of their income after taxes and basic living expenses. After 20 years of on-time payments, or 10 years for people working in public or nonprofit jobs, the rest of the balance is forgiven.

The program was originally created in 2007 during the George W. Bush program, with payments limited to 15 percent of income and to continue for 25 years.

Obama wants to open the program to all those who borrowed before 2007 as well, and make the part of the loan that is forgiven become tax exempt, as loan forgiveness is normally considered taxable income.

That Obama is a real meany.😍
 
^^ this is old news. The budget passed without Obama's student loan proposal.

If loans are forgiven one day then it is basically taking money from one group and giving it to another. In addition, it would encourage colleges to keep on increasing their tuition because whether a student borrows 100 k or 300 k, he would pay the same amount and the tax payers would be stuck with the bill.

It is still a possibility one day. However, I believe "well paid" professionals will be exempt.

Per article, "Student advocates are enthusiastic over the prospect, but critics complain the expansion could extend a program that already encourages young people to borrow too much money and leave taxpayers with their college bills, reports the Wall Street Journal. They also say forgiving debt gives a taxpayer gift to people who need it the least, such as attorneys, doctors, and other white-collar people with graduate degrees."
 
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If you borrow money you should pay it back. That's rediculous that your loans are forgiven. I guess that's what happens when you have a country who doesn't pay it's bills, it sets a bad example for its citizens.
 
If you borrow money you should pay it back. That's rediculous that your loans are forgiven. I guess that's what happens when you have a country who doesn't pay it's bills, it sets a bad example for its citizens.

when the irresponsible citizenry wants something for nothing, they just vote for politicians into offices who will provide them with even more entitlement. Why pay for your mistaken when you can have someone else pay for it or bail you out? This is the new american way.
 
when the irresponsible citizenry wants something for nothing, they just vote for politicians into offices who will provide them with even more entitlement. Why pay for your mistaken when you can have someone else pay for it or bail you out? This is the new american way.

Absolutely unacceptable. I can't believe this is my generations way of thinking.
 
Absolutely unacceptable. I can't believe this is my generations way of thinking.

I can understand the way of thinking. Today's americans can't remember a time when entitlement wasn't in place any more. Older generations that remember when social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps weren't around are all dead or dying. And each bailout set a precedence and expectations. Each successive generation expect more to be added rather than consider that existing programs shouldn't be taken for granted.

As an immigrant, I view current level of entitlement as being already too generous. But most of this country lost sight of that. Democrats placate to masses wanting more free benefits, and republicans wants to save taxes for the rich. The pragmatic option is to cut both benefits and raise tax . But that doesn't fly in a country made up of entitled masses and powerful rich.
 
That article was crap! I posted the link to account for the copy paste fact I posted. It was an unintentional oversight based on my assumption from the title of the site that it was akin to one of those straight shooting journalism sites with the bull**** meters. My bad. Shant do it again.

While I do heart Obama I can't say that I care much for this concern. Obama is a bit of an elitist and I do not concur with his line of thinking that Ivy league credentials are what is needed in the federal sector. Summarily the plan allows the penny pinching feds to compete with the public sector for best recruits and dollars forgiven are slated to be offset by the ROI of employing genius. Lastly before I leave you with a snip it of the breakdown according to Forbes I would remind you that BUSH originated the concept.

630,000 of some 37 million student loan borrowers have availed themselves of the option, despite its being made more attractive, in 2010, when the repayment requirement was reduced to 10 percent of income for those who qualify on the basis of earnings and who make payments faithfully. Only a fraction of even those fall into the public service loan forgiveness category.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/howardh...an-forgiveness-a-flawed-white-house-aid-plan/
 
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I was under the impression that working for any non-profit hospital was considered eligible for Public service loan forgiveness after 10 years.
 
I was under the impression that working for any non-profit hospital was considered eligible for Public service loan forgiveness after 10 years.

I updated my post to include the originally intended but forgotten link to Forbes snip it. They provide a link to a doc that outlines the provisions of the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program. 🙂 I believe you are correct.
 
So what's the downside to doing this exactly? It seems like everybody would be taking advantage of this. I was always under the impression that the only people that could get loans forgiven were people in Public Service and that was it.
 
So what's the downside to doing this exactly? It seems like everybody would be taking advantage of this. I was always under the impression that the only people that could get loans forgiven were people in Public Service and that was it.

Under the IBR and ICR plans you can have your loans forgiven after 25 and 20 years respectively, assuming you have not defaulted on any payments. However, the amount written off will be added as taxable income.

While I agree that when you borrow money it should be paid back, if there is any sector of the population that could use a little foregiveness it's those who choose to better themselves and society with higher education.
 
If you borrow money you should pay it back. That's rediculous that your loans are forgiven. I guess that's what happens when you have a country who doesn't pay it's bills, it sets a bad example for its citizens.

What's ridiculous is the cost of higher education.

While I definitely think if you borrow money you should pay it back, I think if anyone should be eligible for loan forgiveness at any point, it's those individuals who go into public service (ex. healthcare professionals).

I was listening to one of the money-management shows on the radio one day and heard a girl call in who had taken out $300,000 in student loans for a masters degree in puppetry. 😱 Yes, you heard me right, puppetry. My money says she's probably on one of these "percentage of income" repayment plans meaning that probably only about 1/4 - 1/3 of that will ever get paid off...

There are two, possibly three things that should be done, IMHO...

1) Decrease the cost of education. Seriously though, I don't know how many hundreds of millions of dollars my alma mater (undergrad) is sitting on, but if you look at that in combination with the ridiculous sums that many of the professors and especially the higher ups get paid, there's no reason an education should cost as much as it does.

2) Get the government out of student loans. Referencing the above puppetry degree, no bank in their right mind would ever issue $300,000 in loans for that kind of degree. But did the government ever stop to ask the question if they would get paid back? No.

3) If you don't get the government out of student loans, at least have them look at and evaluate the amount of the student loan vs. the likelihood of repayment before they issue them (again, referencing the above puppetry degree).
 
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What's ridiculous is the cost of higher education.

While I definitely think if you borrow money you should pay it back, I think if anyone should be eligible for loan forgiveness at any point, it's those individuals who go into public service (ex. healthcare professionals).

I was listening to one of the money-management shows on the radio one day and heard a girl call in who had taken out $300,000 in student loans for a masters degree in puppetry. 😱 Yes, you heard me right, puppetry. My money says she's probably on one of these "percentage of income" repayment plans meaning that probably only about 1/4 - 1/3 of that will ever get paid off...

There are two, possibly three things that should be done, IMHO...

1) Decrease the cost of education. Seriously though, I don't know how many hundreds of millions of dollars my alma mater (undergrad) is sitting on, but if you look at that in combination with the ridiculous sums that many of the professors and especially the higher ups get paid, there's no reason an education should cost as much as it does.

2) Get the government out of student loans. Referencing the above puppetry degree, no bank in their right mind would ever issue $300,000 in loans for that kind of degree. But did the government ever stop to ask the question if they would get paid back? No.

3) If you don't get the government out of student loans, at least have them look at and evaluate the amount of the student loan vs. the likelihood of repayment before they issue them (again, referencing the above puppetry degree).

The rate at which tuition is increasing is a real problem and there definitely needs to be some oversight there. I agree with getting the Fed out of the student loan business.
 
The rate at which tuition is increasing is a real problem and there definitely needs to be some oversight there. I agree with getting the Fed out of the student loan business.

Tuition is jumping mainly because there is too much easy money.

But good luck trying to get the feds out of the gig. (1) so far, student loans have been a source of income for the government which it badly needs. (2) every entitled person will be screaming "college is a basic right" when it is in fact a privilege you earn and plenty of people have no business in a college.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blo...nt-loan-act-could-mean-higher-federal-profits
 
While I definitely think if you borrow money you should pay it back, I think if anyone should be eligible for loan forgiveness at any point, it's those individuals who go into public service (ex. healthcare professionals).

I never understood why the government needs to provide an incentive for people to work in the public sector especially healthcare professionals. People are dying to work for VA and county hospitals. Can you imagine getting 75% of your salary during retirement and not having to contribute to your pension? No needs to pay for social security. No 401 k to worry about. Don't even get me started on the generous health benefits.
 
Tuition is jumping mainly because there is too much easy money.

But good luck trying to get the feds out of the gig. (1) so far, student loans have been a source of income for the government which it badly needs. (2) every entitled person will be screaming "college is a basic right" when it is in fact a privilege you earn and plenty of people have no business in a college.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blo...nt-loan-act-could-mean-higher-federal-profits

The government is making a profit right now because people are aimlessly going from undergraduate to graduate schools while maxing out their loans. Wait until these people start to default on their student loans.
 
I never understood why the government needs to provide an incentive for people to work in the public sector especially healthcare professionals. People are dying to work for VA and county hospitals. Can you imagine getting 75% of your salary during retirement and not having to contribute to your pension? No needs to pay for social security. No 401 k to worry about. Don't even get me started on the generous health benefits.

Sorry, I was using the term "public service" more generally speaking, not to refer to working for the government. Half of the time I'm not sure working for the government ends up being a service to the public anyways...haha 🙄

I really just meant people who are going into careers that benefit society as a whole, like healthcare professionals.
 
I never understood why the government needs to provide an incentive for people to work in the public sector especially healthcare professionals. People are dying to work for VA and county hospitals. Can you imagine getting 75% of your salary during retirement and not having to contribute to your pension? No needs to pay for social security. No 401 k to worry about. Don't even get me started on the generous health benefits.

get your facts right!!

i work for the va...we dont get 75% of our salary during retirement...that's the old system...and we contribute to our pension, our social security and tsps (feds 401k)
 
get your facts right!!

i work for the va...we dont get 75% of our salary during retirement...that's the old system...and we contribute to our pension, our social security and tsps (feds 401k)

What is the percentage now?
 
2) Get the government out of student loans. Referencing the above puppetry degree, no bank in their right mind would ever issue $300,000 in loans for that kind of degree. But did the government ever stop to ask the question if they would get paid back? No.

3) If you don't get the government out of student loans, at least have them look at and evaluate the amount of the student loan vs. the likelihood of repayment before they issue them (again, referencing the above puppetry degree).

The problem with student loans is that they are always unsecured. No way to take back the education once you've got it, unlike auto loans, mortgages, etc. That fact alone would make the interest rate much higher at any normal financial institution. The government is the only reason it's 6.8% and not double digits. I do agree that there should be some way to evaluate future earnings or something like that, but I am having a hard time imagining exactly how that process would look.
 
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