Success in field vs GPA

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Hi there,

I’m new to SDN but I have been searching for answers about my situation and would like to know opinions or experience with struggling students moving into practice. I get a lot of C’s at my Podiatry school. I still have 2 years left of school but currently I have a 2.4 GPA. I know it looks like I’m not committed but that couldn’t be further from the truth. I work very hard and I love the field. I just can’t seem to get that 3.0 goal. I need to know if anyone was in the same situation or if they know anyone that was. I guess I’m looking for the truth about my standing going into externships in the next year and moving forward to graduation and residency. I have the doomed feeling that somehow I’m not measuring up. If that’s true I guess I would like to validate it or receive some kind of hope. Thank you for your honesty!


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With a below 3.0 I’d be worried about passing boards.

Once you get a residency tho, I doubt anyone is going to ask for your GPA before you let them do an ingrown toenail on them.

Your biggest hurdle is getting 1)pass boards 2) a residency. Focus on residencies that don’t have a minimum cutoff. People like to bash New York programs, take a look at those. You prolly won’t get a top tier residency, but it’s the Pod world, people don’t even know pods do surgery and just do corns and nail clips, let alone understand the residency you come from.

Be the best doctor you can be. Word of mouth is the best advertisement. Take it in stride, have confidence in yourself, but be humble, say thank you, keep your head down and pass your classes and boards.

Hi there,

I’m new to SDN but I have been searching for answers about my situation and would like to know opinions or experience with struggling students moving into practice. I get a lot of C’s at my Podiatry school. I still have 2 years left of school but currently I have a 2.4 GPA. I know it looks like I’m not committed but that couldn’t be further from the truth. I work very hard and I love the field. I just can’t seem to get that 3.0 goal. I need to know if anyone was in the same situation or if they know anyone that was. I guess I’m looking for the truth about my standing going into externships in the next year and moving forward to graduation and residency. I have the doomed feeling that somehow I’m not measuring up. If that’s true I guess I would like to validate it or receive some kind of hope. Thank you for your honesty!


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Are you going to graduate? Im assuming there's a cutoff GPA like 2.5, or something like that to make graduation. Example in grad school you can't get less than a B otherwise you don't get credit for the class.

I hope you can make the graduation GPA requirement
 
Places differ. Midwestern I know requires a 2.0 for graduation


Are you going to graduate? Im assuming there's a cutoff GPA like 2.5, or something like that to make graduation. Example in grad school you can't get less than a B otherwise you don't get credit for the class.

I hope you can make the graduation GPA requirement
 
Can we please move this out of this forum? More pre-pods responding to questions that don't belong here....

Edit - move to current student forum....
 
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Why doesn’t my question belong here? It’s a question only residents or practicing Podiatrists can answer.


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I think issue is with pre-pods who are not experienced enough to answer jumping in.

Would be really great if we could get answers from upperclassmen / practicing residents+ attending instead of prepods.

Please for the love of God stay out of this unless you are year 3+4, Resident, Attending.
 
Can we please move this out of this forum? More pre-pods responding to questions that don't belong here....

I think issue is with pre-pods who are not experienced enough to answer jumping in.

Would be really great if we could get answers from upperclassmen / practicing residents+ attending instead of prepods.

Please for the love of God stay out of this unless you are year 3+4, Resident, Attending.

Exactly which posts are you referring to? I was just asking a question out of concern
 
Ok, maybe I was a little out of line. I guess it is a current student.

OP. It sure looks like you aren't committed. For the sake of argument, we will assume you have changed all your study habits, engaged in good exercise and eating, asked for help etc. It doesnt look good. It's not impossible. Maybe you have an aunt or uncle with a very successful practice who wants you to take over and you have a golden ticket. But it sounds like you are headed to a NY residency that nobody wants and just wants warm bodies to exploit medicate. If you want to live and work in Philly or NYC the rest of your life and that's a goal, then you are on your way. If you had goals of being in an Ortho group and doing TAR living in San Diego quit now you will never be happy and it's never going to happen.
You are headed for a ton of debt and a hatred of this profession and another sad podiatry statistic. If you think I am out of line, I am not. You may get some attending on here who posts 1 or 2 times a year when they randomly log in. They will say they were in your shoes, the buckled up, figured it out and things worked out. You are most likely to get replies from someone like me. It won't be what you want to hear. But it will be what you NEED to hear.

Stop worrying about your professional career. Worry about your next test. That's all. Then the next won. Then get on a heater and start acing everything. There is not much time left. Hope you get a decent residency. Then overperform the likely poor training you will get. Have a good personality, it will overcome a lot too.

And hope Ankle breaker doesn't respond to this thread
 
I guess I’m looking for the truth about my standing going into externships in the next year and moving forward to graduation and residency.

Truth: you have a zero percent chance at getting great residency training. Wether its fair or not, the program I went to (for example) wouldn't even look at your application with a GPA like that. Many others will do the same.

If you are in your second year, you still have to pass boards which won't be easy considering your struggles up to this point. If you are already in your 3rd year, then I hope you applied to lesser known programs, programs that seem to scramble regularly, etc. in order to maximize your chances of matching. As long as you get a residency you should be fine. But if you can't sniff a 3.0 despite honest to goodness effort in podiatry school (especially at some schools), I would be worried about getting that far...
 
Most people are more successful than you and that is going to be a problem when people are compared against you. My class average at the end of 3rd year was allegedly ~3.2. The assumption is going to be - you don't understand material that others are understanding. Boards are likely going to be a huge struggle for you and a board fail is going to reinforce what your GPA already spells out. The problem is that most of what is taught in school is just the most basic of stuff. It is the minimum you should know. My classmates with lower GPAs struggled to line up clerkships 3rd year. The further you get into the process the more programs only have available spots at times you've already filled - it becomes hugely frustrating. The perfect clerkship process is getting the programs that you want in the order that you want them (the wrong order can lead to a lot of crisscross driving across the country or empty months). You'll inevitably be told to apply to a large number of programs for interviews. A few weeks ago my program director scanned a list of people with low GPAs, asked me if any of them had contacted us or demonstrated any interest, and then declined them all. My advice would be to make plans to try and visit a lot of programs or call programs to try and increase your shot at an interview.

You need to pass part 1 on your first try - that's an easy screen out.
 
A lot of much needed tough love in this thread, and its true, the road ahead for you is going to be harder than peers with higher gpa’s. A lot of attendings will see a gpa below 3.0 and just not bother with even offering an interview, myself included. You still can turn things around, stay humble, work hard. If a particular student put in the effort to visit the program, to do an externship at the program, demonstrate that every year after the 2nd year there is an improvement in grades, this student works hard and my patients loves seeing this student, then I will absolutely give this student a chance at my program, and I will overlook the 2.4 gpa.
 
Your biggest hurdle is getting 1)pass boards 2) a residency. Focus on residencies that don’t have a minimum cutoff. People like to bash New York programs, take a look at those.

Why is that?
 
And hope Ankle breaker doesn't respond to this thread[/QUOTE]

Ankle Breaker must be a big deal..


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Thanks for all the advice. I appreciate your time and honesty.


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Not mention ABFAS boards after residency. I know very smart people that got great training that had to re-do a part of ABFAS. But that’s another thread all on its own.
 
Not being rude or mean but if your seriously trying and studying every chance you get, how are you doing that bad? I have a classmate who struggled at first (business major) who did not have a background in medicine who know gets A's and B's now because of work ethic. My question is are you really trying ( I put in 12+ hours a day on weekends to get A's) or you shouldn't have got into the field in the first place. Your patients health comes first and if you can't get through school, I worry about your future patients....
 
Hey IronTalus. I rarely comment on any thread here, but I feel for you, I was you. I was always a good student though high school and college. I had a 3.7 GPA when I applied to Podiatry school. Then....pod school happened. It beat me up. Honestly, I barely scraped by. I assure you it was not due to a lack of effort. I just could not do well on my exams, I did everything I could to change it, but it just never happened. I finished my second year sitting at like a 2.6 or something. It was not pretty. I was worried, I knew how much of an emphasis there is on GPA, and frankly, mine sucked. I even failed boards.

Just like @Packers4lifeDPM, I too studied 12 hours a day on weekends, and every day. That doesn't guarantee A's, it got me C's. Not every pod school is created equal. Unfortunately, not everybody knows that.

I got some great advice from one of my advisors going into 3rd year. He said, "Listen, your GPA isn't good, but I'll tell you that you have an excellent opportunity your 3rd and 4th years to gain some ground on your peers. Many of your peers will rest on their laurels and take it easy, letting their GPA get them a residency. You can't. Work just as hard 3rd and 4th year as you did the first 2 years, crush your externships and you'll get a good residency."

So I did that. I was up early every day studying. I would get to the hospital early during my third year rotations so I could study for cases. I stayed late reviewing what I did not know. I made sure I pulled every ounce of learning from my student rotations as I could. The fire under my butt was lit.

Halfway through my 3rd year, I was with an attending who trusted me enough to see patients nearly independently in his clinic. He let me do simple cases in the OR skin-to-skin (HWR, Keller, IPJ arthrplasty etc.) On his bigger cases like triples or ankle fractures he let me place the hardware and do the closure (after he reduced the fx or held the joint in the position he wanted. He knew I came to every case prepared. He didn't care I had a 2.6. I helped him on the weekend with cases and rounding, in return he rewarded me with a phenomenal letter of recommendation (a key component to getting the residency you want). Honestly, his confidence in me and kindness toward me meant so much. I strive to be like him.

Contrary to what @dtrack22 says, students like us have an opportunity to get not only great, but amazing residency training, I'm at a program which has had graduates from nearly every year join an orthopedic group. You ask for the truth going into externships, and residency. The truth is program directors and most residents will see your GPA and you need to overcome that. @airbud1 is right, personality goes a long way. Be likable. Your job is to make them realize that your GPA is not who you are. You need to sell your strengths so that they want you at their program regardless of your GPA. Residencies want a competent, confident, helpful intern, who gets along with attendings and residents. Nail your externships. Nail your interviews, and thats not even half of it.

Like I said, I was you. I had that doomed feeling that I wasn't measuring up. I got my top choice for residency. I had all my surgical numbers shortly into second year, mostly skin-to-skin cases. My residency training has been top tier. I have multiple employment options to choose from after residency. I am proficient in the office, confident in the OR, competent with billing and coding, and very well rounded. I also almost failed out of podiatry school.

Shoot me a private message. I remember being where you are and it was a low point in my education. I'll let you know what I did to make myself stand out and get the residency I wanted, It wasn't easy, and it definitely took going the extra mile. Its always good to hear the advice of those who have been where you are. You can do it. Keep working hard, stay humble, and be kind. Maybe you were a 2.4 student the first 2 years, but be a 4.0 student the last two, even if it doesn't show up on your transcript. 3rd year rotations, externships, and residency will vary wildly, but the largest factor is you. What will you make of it?
 
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Shoot me a private message.

Hey JAJE, I just attempted to message you and it appears that your account doesn’t allow me to start a conversation with you. You may have to start it or something.. I would very much like to speak with you. Thanks!



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Dude its podiatry school and your gpa sucks. Look at those guys on PM news complaining about not passing the boards. They are all prob 2.5 gpa. Actually, i think anyone that writes in the comment section of pm news graduated with a 2.5 gpa. there is one particular fool named Elliot Udell. Don't be that guy.

No seriously, you'll be fine.
 
Dude its podiatry school and your gpa sucks. Look at those guys on PM news complaining about not passing the boards. They are all prob 2.5 gpa. Actually, i think anyone that writes in the comment section of pm news graduated with a 2.5 gpa. there is one particular fool named Elliot Udell. Don't be that guy.

No seriously, you'll be fine.
Makes me a little nervous. Just started pod school. Really hope I can maintain a 3.0+ GPA
 
Hey IronTalus. I rarely comment on any thread here, but I feel for you, I was you. I was always a good student though high school and college. I had a 3.7 GPA when I applied to Podiatry school. Then....pod school happened. It beat me up. Honestly, I barely scraped by. I assure you it was not due to a lack of effort. I just could not do well on my exams, I did everything I could to change it, but it just never happened. I finished my second year sitting at like a 2.6 or something. It was not pretty. I was worried, I knew how much of an emphasis there is on GPA, and frankly, mine sucked. I even failed boards.

Just like @Packers4lifeDPM, I too studied 12 hours a day on weekends, and every day. That doesn't guarantee A's, it got me C's. Not every pod school is created equal. Unfortunately, not everybody knows that.

I got some great advice from one of my advisors going into 3rd year. He said, "Listen, your GPA isn't good, but I'll tell you that you have an excellent opportunity your 3rd and 4th years to gain some ground on your peers. Many of your peers will rest on their laurels and take it easy, letting their GPA get them a residency. You can't. Work just as hard 3rd and 4th year as you did the first 2 years, crush your externships and you'll get a good residency."

So I did that. I was up early every day studying. I would get to the hospital early during my third year rotations so I could study for cases. I stayed late reviewing what I did not know. I made sure I pulled every ounce of learning from my student rotations as I could. The fire under my butt was lit.

Halfway through my 3rd year, I was with an attending who trusted me enough to see patients nearly independently in his clinic. He let me do simple cases in the OR skin-to-skin (HWR, Keller, IPJ arthrplasty etc.) On his bigger cases like triples or ankle fractures he let me place the hardware and do the closure (after he reduced the fx or held the joint in the position he wanted. He knew I came to every case prepared. He didn't care I had a 2.6. I helped him on the weekend with cases and rounding, in return he rewarded me with a phenomenal letter of recommendation (a key component to getting the residency you want). Honestly, his confidence in me and kindness toward me meant so much. I strive to be like him.

Contrary to what @dtrack22 says, students like us have an opportunity to get not only great, but amazing residency training, I'm at a program which has had graduates from nearly every year join an orthopedic group. You ask for the truth going into externships, and residency. The truth is program directors and most residents will see your GPA and you need to overcome that. @airbud1 is right, personality goes a long way. Be likable. Your job is to make them realize that your GPA is not who you are. You need to sell your strengths so that they want you at their program regardless of your GPA. Residencies want a competent, confident, helpful intern, who gets along with attendings and residents. Nail your externships. Nail your interviews, and thats not even half of it.

Like I said, I was you. I had that doomed feeling that I wasn't measuring up. I got my top choice for residency. I had all my surgical numbers shortly into second year, mostly skin-to-skin cases. My residency training has been top tier. I have multiple employment options to choose from after residency. I am proficient in the office, confident in the OR, competent with billing and coding, and very well rounded. I also almost failed out of podiatry school.

Shoot me a private message. I remember being where you are and it was a low point in my education. I'll let you know what I did to make myself stand out and get the residency I wanted, It wasn't easy, and it definitely took going the extra mile. Its always good to hear the advice of those who have been where you are. You can do it. Keep working hard, stay humble, and be kind. Maybe you were a 2.4 student the first 2 years, but be a 4.0 student the last two, even if it doesn't show up on your transcript. 3rd year rotations, externships, and residency will vary wildly, but the largest factor is you. What will you make of it?
awesome post. Would be nice to hear more from you on this forum.
 
I can see how he works hard and cant get As. I busting my tail off and im barely passing physio and most of my classes. This stuff is hard, especially so if you go to a DO school that holds you to the same standard as their students. There are people in my class with 510+ MCAT scores who are struggling to make Bs. I put in about 8 hours on weekdays and 10 on weekends and still can only get Cs and Bs.

You get 3 Cs and a B for a semester and yeah, I can see how someone can only get a 2.4 GPA. Why should that person be doomed to not get a residency? There are plenty of people in the MD/DO world barley passing and getting Family medicine residencies. You can fail boards multiple times and still scramble into Family med.

Im not in 3rd or 4th year, so maybe it gets better, grade-wise. Clinical might be participation As for all I know.

Back to the OP tho, if you stick with community programs, I would think you will have success in matching. These gunners who are ending up in big time reconstruction residencies, it doesn't matter if the state or hospital system they practice in doesn't allow TAR and other procedures.

As airbud said, dont focus on residency right now though, focus on this next test. "All his life as he looked away, to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. What he was doing." -Yoda

Not being rude or mean but if your seriously trying and studying every chance you get, how are you doing that bad? I have a classmate who struggled at first (business major) who did not have a background in medicine who know gets A's and B's now because of work ethic. My question is are you really trying ( I put in 12+ hours a day on weekends to get A's) or you shouldn't have got into the field in the first place. Your patients health comes first and if you can't get through school, I worry about your future patients....
 
I busting my tail off and im barely passing physio and most of my classes. This stuff is hard, especially so if you go to a DO school that holds you to the same standard as their students. There are people in my class with 510+ MCAT scores who are struggling to make Bs. I put in about 8 hours on weekdays and 10 on weekends and still can only get Cs and Bs.
are you doing post-bacc, pod school or do school?
 
Makes me a little nervous. Just started pod school. Really hope I can maintain a 3.0+ GPA

are you doing post-bacc, pod school or do school?

Make sure to apply through AACOMAS, in case you don't make it to your DO school. What's done is done. Focus on the next semester and other contingencies. I'm sorry to hear your experience.
Do you just spam replies or do you actually take time to read before you reply?

Can we please...keep this thread on task...so we don't scare away the residents/attendings...please.
 
are you doing post-bacc, pod school or do school?

Make sure to apply through AACOMAS, in case you don't make it to your DO school. What's done is done. Focus on the next semester and other contingencies. I'm sorry to hear your experience.

This is a thread about podiatry school/residency. DO/AACOMAS should be directed to the DO forums.

Back to the topic at hand ...

@IronTalus Like @dtrack22 said, this GPA won't get you pass initial screens at many programs. Look through the residency programs where you pass the GPA cut off or programs that don't have GPA cut offs. Contact these programs and make sure that is the case. Then clerk at and kill the rotations at those programs.

In the meantime, change your study habits, cancel cable/netflix, get a tutor, call Ghost Busters, etc. Pass boards the first time, all of them. @Ankle Breaker and @I post PRN hit it on the head with ABFAS. People who were good students and good residents fail portions of it and have to redo parts. You have a lifetime of testing/boards/board recert ahead of you. Many jobs are also contingent on at least being ABFAS board qualified.
 
Hey @JAJE can you PM me. I can't send you a message.

Hey IronTalus. I rarely comment on any thread here, but I feel for you, I was you. I was always a good student though high school and college. I had a 3.7 GPA when I applied to Podiatry school. Then....pod school happened. It beat me up. Honestly, I barely scraped by. I assure you it was not due to a lack of effort. I just could not do well on my exams, I did everything I could to change it, but it just never happened. I finished my second year sitting at like a 2.6 or something. It was not pretty. I was worried, I knew how much of an emphasis there is on GPA, and frankly, mine sucked. I even failed boards.

Just like @Packers4lifeDPM, I too studied 12 hours a day on weekends, and every day. That doesn't guarantee A's, it got me C's. Not every pod school is created equal. Unfortunately, not everybody knows that.

I got some great advice from one of my advisors going into 3rd year. He said, "Listen, your GPA isn't good, but I'll tell you that you have an excellent opportunity your 3rd and 4th years to gain some ground on your peers. Many of your peers will rest on their laurels and take it easy, letting their GPA get them a residency. You can't. Work just as hard 3rd and 4th year as you did the first 2 years, crush your externships and you'll get a good residency."

So I did that. I was up early every day studying. I would get to the hospital early during my third year rotations so I could study for cases. I stayed late reviewing what I did not know. I made sure I pulled every ounce of learning from my student rotations as I could. The fire under my butt was lit.

Halfway through my 3rd year, I was with an attending who trusted me enough to see patients nearly independently in his clinic. He let me do simple cases in the OR skin-to-skin (HWR, Keller, IPJ arthrplasty etc.) On his bigger cases like triples or ankle fractures he let me place the hardware and do the closure (after he reduced the fx or held the joint in the position he wanted. He knew I came to every case prepared. He didn't care I had a 2.6. I helped him on the weekend with cases and rounding, in return he rewarded me with a phenomenal letter of recommendation (a key component to getting the residency you want). Honestly, his confidence in me and kindness toward me meant so much. I strive to be like him.

Contrary to what @dtrack22 says, students like us have an opportunity to get not only great, but amazing residency training, I'm at a program which has had graduates from nearly every year join an orthopedic group. You ask for the truth going into externships, and residency. The truth is program directors and most residents will see your GPA and you need to overcome that. @airbud1 is right, personality goes a long way. Be likable. Your job is to make them realize that your GPA is not who you are. You need to sell your strengths so that they want you at their program regardless of your GPA. Residencies want a competent, confident, helpful intern, who gets along with attendings and residents. Nail your externships. Nail your interviews, and thats not even half of it.

Like I said, I was you. I had that doomed feeling that I wasn't measuring up. I got my top choice for residency. I had all my surgical numbers shortly into second year, mostly skin-to-skin cases. My residency training has been top tier. I have multiple employment options to choose from after residency. I am proficient in the office, confident in the OR, competent with billing and coding, and very well rounded. I also almost failed out of podiatry school.

Shoot me a private message. I remember being where you are and it was a low point in my education. I'll let you know what I did to make myself stand out and get the residency I wanted, It wasn't easy, and it definitely took going the extra mile. Its always good to hear the advice of those who have been where you are. You can do it. Keep working hard, stay humble, and be kind. Maybe you were a 2.4 student the first 2 years, but be a 4.0 student the last two, even if it doesn't show up on your transcript. 3rd year rotations, externships, and residency will vary wildly, but the largest factor is you. What will you make of it?
 
Hey everyone, just wanted to give update on here. I was accepted into a great residency program and starting my 2nd year soon. If anyone is struggling in school or lacking confidence feel free to message me. I have a lot of advice. Grades are not everything, in fact the some of the best residents I have seen are some of the worst students in the class room. Obviously there are many who are great students and great residents, not picking on anyone, but if you think that your grades are going to dictate your future, that isnt always the case.
 
Hey everyone, just wanted to give update on here. I was accepted into a great residency program and starting my 2nd year soon. If anyone is struggling in school or lacking confidence feel free to message me. I have a lot of advice. Grades are not everything, in fact the some of the best residents I have seen are some of the worst students in the class room. Obviously there are many who are great students and great residents, not picking on anyone, but if you think that your grades are going to dictate your future, that isnt always the case.

Would love to hear about your experience and how you turned things toward the direction you wanted!
 
Hey everyone, just wanted to give update on here. I was accepted into a great residency program and starting my 2nd year soon. If anyone is struggling in school or lacking confidence feel free to message me. I have a lot of advice. Grades are not everything, in fact the some of the best residents I have seen are some of the worst students in the class room. Obviously there are many who are great students and great residents, not picking on anyone, but if you think that your grades are going to dictate your future, that isnt always the case.
Hey Talus,

If you have time, would love to hear your thoughts on what helped intern year coming from your background.
Things you did right in school that stayed with you through intern year.
Things you did in intern year that helped etc.
 
Hey Talus,

If you have time, would love to hear your thoughts on what helped intern year coming from your background.
Things you did right in school that stayed with you through intern year.
Things you did in intern year that helped etc.
This response is going to be lengthy. buckle up.

I have a lot to say about this subject. I had the experience of being shunned by faculty early in 1st year, being told I wasn't going to be successful, being told I would flunk out on and on. A major mistake that faculty take is making things worse for struggling students by stressing them out instead of stepping up and counseling them and lifting them up, giving them hope. I searched for advice away from my faculty, I found a lot of support on SDN, which was a huge blessing to me. I didn't need to be told I was dumb, I didn't need to be told that I was going to be a statistic for boards failure. I needed hope, I needed good advice, I needed to be told I could overcome. I talked to several people here that gave me what I needed. I started to ignore my faculty and move forward and find success.

If you have read this far, and this sounds like you at all, please know that if you are struggling enough for faculty at your school to say things like this, you need to know that you shouldn’t ignore them. You do have huge issues and mountains to climb. Just know that you are going to have to stare the reality in the face. You are alone in this. Unless you saddle up and take responsibility you could be a statistic. My point is there is no point fixating on that. You are what you are. You are most likely like me, striving to do all you can, studying at all times of day and night, and haven’t found the “golden bullet”. I had so many co-students who found what worked for them and they saw their GPA sky rocked. I never did. Call it what you want. Some people will judge you, thinking you aren’t working hard enough. They can say what they want, but I tried everything. And my GPA didn’t change much from day one until graduation. If I am describing you, please know that you can stand out with a crappy GPA. Stop fixating on that GPA and get to work.

My GPA sucked, no way around it, but the sooner you accept it, the sooner you can find a way to move past it. Before Podiatry school, I was a physical laborer. Farms, dairies, construction, etc. I know how to work hard. So I simply decided I was going to be the hardest worker. I don’t mean to come off cocky, but no one outworked me in a clinic. I didn’t take breaks when other students saw an opportunity to sit down. I mopped floors, I power walked to the next patient, I showed up early, and stayed late. I knew that I couldn’t depend on my GPA to talk for me. I had to talk with my work ethic. I did this through all the rotations of 3rd and 4th year. Externships I hustled even more. I looked up topics I didn’t understand when I was getting pimped, I showed up the next day and followed up with residents and attendings. Showed up early, came prepared for surgeries, studied my little butt off. In short I did everything I could because my GPA scared me. I couldn’t rest I couldn’t rely on it, and my work paid off. I obviously couldn’t rotate anywhere I wanted, I got denied at GPA cut off locations, those places you don’t even have a shot. If you ask me, those locations are missing out. Only judging a student by their GPA is a serious mistake, but that’s just one students opinion, and maybe I am biased. One thing is for certain, my struggle made me hungry. Like I said, I never worked with a student who out worked me.

On boards I knew I was up against the odds, so I did the same thing, I kept working. I studied for boards part 1 for 3 months, putting in 8 hour days. I knew if I didn’t attack that beast it would stop me. That didn’t end. Part 2 and 3 I had to work my tail off. I knew my school hadn’t prepared me for boards, I took full responsibility. And it paid off. I passed all parts my first attempt.

When I went to interviews my crappy GPA definitely came up, and I was ready to talk about it all day. I had examples and experiences to show how much I cared and how much becoming a Podiatrist meant to me. You have to own this. My GPA even trended upward even though it was a very gradual trend. I ended up having several offers for residency, they weren’t name brand or flashy locations, but I had options.

My bottom line is this, stop mopping around wishing you were more book smart or a better tester. Do all you can, ask experts how to study get a tutor, do it all. But at the end of the day, you are you. The only question you need to ask yourself is what do you bring to the table beside your GPA? This is where the rubber meets the road. How much do you want it?

I start 2nd year of residency soon and I am loving Podiatry. I continue working hard today, and to be honest, I think some residencies miss out because they have GPA myopia. My residency is everything I wanted it to be, I matched in a great program, with great training because I struggled. That’s incredible and it’s a decision you have to make now or you will become a statistic. I wanted to be a doctor more than ever. I was determined. You can overcome your low scores, your crappy GPA. You need to stop listening to the negative, take responsibility for who you are. accept you. Make the decision and get to work.
 
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Don't worry, the real mopping around starts in your 3rd year of residency when you try to find a job that isn't complete garbage.
Or when you are frustrated after arguing with the practice manager (aka owner's wife) that your collections are awfully low for the month and she advises that you need to go out and market your name.
 
Don't worry, the real mopping around starts in your 3rd year of residency when you try to find a job that isn't complete garbage.
Seeing applications on job sites that advertise candidates with "heavy experience with reconstructive rearfoot and ankle surgery" always makes me chuckle.
 
Or when you are frustrated after arguing with the practice manager (aka owner's wife) that your collections are awfully low for the month and she advises that you need to go out and market your name.

The funny/sad part is that prospective students/residents read the above and think it's a joke...
 
Don’t work at places that has a partners wife. Got it
 
I am back. Havent been on this account for a while, but wanted to follow up. Im now been a year out of residency, I am a podiatrist in an ortho group. Life has been so much better than school ever was. If you read this and have low GPA, but have high passion for surgery and medicine, I can tell you, GPA is not a direct indication if you will be successful. Looking back, GPA in school has little to do with how successful I currently am in my practice. Are they hoops you have to jump? sure, and it sucks, but the most important thing to me is caring about my patients, not the dollars, and how hungry I am to learn, not just getting a stupid GPA number, but really learning. Its a life long hustle to learn and to care. That will make you successful and happy.
 
By in large, drive and passion will carry you the farthest in life. However there is a direct correlation with GPA and work ethic. Glad to hear your hard work is paying off but the 'Hal Orenstein' stories out there are more of the exception to the rule.
 
By in large, drive and passion will carry you the farthest in life. However there is a direct correlation with GPA and work ethic. Glad to hear your hard work is paying off but the 'Hal Orenstein' stories out there are more of the exception to the rule.
I disagree. GPA does not correlate with work ethic. Some people are great at performing and do great work and have exceptional work ethic. Maybe they're not book smart, but are great at doing the actual work. In a lazy world, I can agree with you.
 
GPA and work ethic have little correlation.

In my residency, the hardest working 3rd year resident had below 3.0 GPA.
 
You guys are all correct.
(gpa doesn't matter, work/training do matter, there are exceptions to any rule)

The top thing for success is connections: preference... nepotism... favoritism. A guy/girl who can step from pod residency right into a parent's highly profitable private office as owner or who has an uncle who's a hospital admin and can create a job and admin track for them and with no student loan debt will beat nearly everyone else. Sorry, but that's just how it is - for any profession.

Assuming no amazing connections, it's generally training and residency.
That usually means high-ish gpa and class rank, but not always. There are some very avg students who've landed good programs and are even ACFAS teachers or lecturers today. Either way, whether somebody was top 10% rank or just top half, once match happens, good training is good training... and good programs also usually have some alumni connections and job leads.

Money always matters. If someone has no direct podiatry/job connections but family money for avoiding student loans and/or starting up or buying out an office, that's a big help. The DPMs who borrow max loans will struggle to keep up with the ones whose parents are both MDs or attorneys or whatever. They will have investments and income real estate and etc while their classmates are still drowning in debt. Wealth is generational... again, nothing unique to podiatry.

...Regardless, which pod school or gpa or etc absolutely goes away (this is why all should consider doing whatever pod school is cheapest tuition + COL minus realistically maintainable scholarships).
Residency and board cert (ABFAS) are what generally correlate to success and more pay and more job options in podiatry. Going to a place with less saturation and good payers certainly helps also.
 
It depends on the person. Depends on the residency. More importantly - there’s a lot of poor performing students who change their mindset once they become a resident and get their act together.

I know multiple low performing students who are in now highly lucrative hospital/ortho jobs and went to middle of the road residencies. There are some of the top of my class who are now associates in random podiatry groups making what anyone else can make.

Your performance in residency matters more than your performance in school IMO. And you can still do very well in a middle of the road or even a low tier residency if you get out of the mentality of wanting to coast by and apply yourself into learning and scrubbing everything you can. You can absolutely make amazing connections in low tier residencies working with certain attendings or with MDs/DOs on ortho. One thing people overlook about these low tier residencies who get their ankle numbers from ortho instead of a pod is when it comes time to apply to an ortho group that letter/reference from the ortho MD who liked you goes a lot further than a high name DPM. Ironically these programs are usually at high powered ortho MD programs with a weak podiatry presence.

Some people (like me), realize they don’t like surgery all too much and are fine with that. Sometimes those students are the top of the class and got into great residencies. Nobody really figures that out as a student but once they’re a resident or an attending reality hits them.
 
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GPA doesn’t even really matter too much when it comes to securing a residency unless yours is way off the norm. Everyone who has been through this knows that most students have the test answers beforehand in schools so GPA means nothing
 
GPA doesn’t even really matter too much when it comes to securing a residency unless yours is way off the norm. Everyone who has been through this knows that most students have the test answers beforehand in schools so GPA means nothing
Wait what the ****
 
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