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Is anyone else reading the positively hysterical What's wrong with Pathology??????? thread in pre-allo?

From post #20:

And I would argue that path and rads aren't exactly doctors, but I'm not interested in getting into a flame war. They don't treat patients. Rads justs sit in a dark room all day and read x-rays. In path, you just look at slides all day. Forensic pathologists cut open dead bodies, make slides, and then look at them later. And I've done a little of each, including helping with an autopsy, so this isn't just an outsider looking in.

 

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LADoc00, this one's just for you...

From post #16:

In todays day and age not wanting to deal with people usually does not reflect bad personal skills. It more likely represents a desire to avoid malpractice laswuits.

 

[Cabbage Head]

I've done a little of each, including helping with an autopsy, so this isn't just an outsider looking in.

Everybody step back! This guy helped with an autopsy, and he's got somethin' to say 'bout Pathology!

 

[DarksideAllstar]

I saw that cabbage head had posted in pre-allo and figured some **** was going down over there. I think its absolutely comical.
PS- Don't forget that we are not real doctors .

Everybody step back! This guy helped with an autopsy, and he's got somethin' to say 'bout Pathology!

I've done a little of each, including helping with an autopsy, so this isn't just an outsider looking in.

But he's a real doctor.

That said, I couldn't do it. I need human interaction. I'm going into medicine for the patients

I vote this one as most likely to strap on C4 and blow up the ER during third year.

This is a good one also.

I'm not going to argue with you on this one! I happen to think a PhD would be more appropriate.

 

[Cabbage Head]

I saw that cabbage head had posted in pre-allo and figired some **** was going down over there. I think its absolutely comical (particularly about the part that if guys do OB/GYN they will smelly "fishy").
PS- Don't forget that we are not real doctors .



But he's a real doctor.



I vote this one as most likely to strap on C4 and blow up the ER during third year.

I figured "MilkofAmnesia" was some sort of Anesthesia lover, so I had to post that his job is done just as well by nurses. We'll see how that goes over.

 

[DarksideAllstar]

I figured "MilkofAmnesia" was some sort of Anesthesia lover, so I had to post that his job is done just as well by nurses. We'll see how that goes over.

 

[LADoc00]

Is anyone else reading the positively hysterical What's wrong with Pathology??????? thread in pre-allo?

From post #20:

I love when people diss pathology because frankly the less people at the table with us means more PIE for us.

 

[dermpathlover]

^I'm with LADOC on this one. I used to be happy when I learned that path was becoming more competitive (i.e. more US students), but now I wish it was me and only barely speaking english foreigners doing path. If that was the case, I would make 50 million a year. We should go in there and bad talk path as much as possible.

However, I am not offended and I even slightly understand the "not a real doctor" comment. Yeah, I know we have finished med school and are licensed in our respective states and some of us even have DEA numbers (so they can prescribe the good stuff to our friends and family), but we are definitely detatched from the humane part of medicine.

Our only purpose is to help other doctors decide how to best care for their patients. If we can't help them, then we are basically worthless. They are the ones that have deliver bad and good news, that have to open their patients up, see them through their recovery, watch some die...It is a completely different life than we have.

I think you understand this when you go to a few tumor boards. Us and Rads are just ancillary. The surgeons and oncologists and pulmonlogist and gastroenterologists and Cardiologists and etc... are the REAL real doctors. And I'm OK with that.

 

[dermpathlover]

I figured "MilkofAmnesia" was some sort of Anesthesia lover, so I had to post that his job is done just as well by nurses. We'll see how that goes over.

That's so not the truth........

 

[Cabbage Head]

That's so not the truth........

He did quickly grok the fact that my statement was ridiculous. He just hasn't figured out that his is equally so.

 

[djmd]

Our only purpose is to help other doctors decide how to best care for their patients. If we can't help them, then we are basically worthless.

Are you sure you are a pathologist? I'm still convinced you are at most in medical school.

"our only purpose"?? First of all, no, it is not our only purpose....

Secondly, what the hell would all those other docs do with out us doing our lowly purpose?
Guess at treatment and resection margins? Hell how would they know what to resect and what not to?? Sure clinically now a days they might get the correct Dx, 75% of the time. But please it is Pathologist who helped them get there.... without us it would be just blind guess work...
Our lowly purpose dictates Treatment, Denotes outcome, and and generally tells the other docs what to do and say.

Seriously... are you sure you want to keep claiming you are a Path MD... Not a dermpath wanna be pre-med?

Oh basically worthless?
So If a cancer isn't completely excised a surgeon is "basically worthless", if the tumor doesn't respond completely to chemo or Rads the Oncologist or Rad Onc are "basically worthless"?
Heck I guess most babies were both before OB/GYNs those docs are generally "basically worthless"....

 

[DarksideAllstar]

Sure clinically now a days they might get the correct Dx, 75% of the time.

Based on my limited experience of 2 years of clinical medicine and year as a PSF, that number is way, way too high. Maybe more like 50%. On my medicine rotation, I used to think to myself that you might have a better chance just flipping a coin when making a clinical diagnosis (without imaging, or other ancillary tests).

 

[DarksideAllstar]

He did quickly grok the fact that my statement was ridiculous. He just hasn't figured out that his is equally so.

I dont think that he ever will.

 

[dermpathlover]

Are you sure you are a pathologist? I'm still convinced you are at most in medical school.

"our only purpose"?? First of all, no, it is not our only purpose....

Secondly, what the hell would all those other docs do with out us doing our lowly purpose?
Guess at treatment and resection margins? Hell how would they know what to resect and what not to?? Sure clinically now a days they might get the correct Dx, 75% of the time. But please it is Pathologist who helped them get there.... without us it would be just blind guess work...
Our lowly purpose dictates Treatment, Denotes outcome, and and generally tells the other docs what to do and say.

Seriously... are you sure you want to keep claiming you are a Path MD... Not a dermpath wanna be pre-med?

Oh basically worthless?
So If a cancer isn't completely excised a surgeon is "basically worthless", if the tumor doesn't respond completely to chemo or Rads the Oncologist or Rad Onc are "basically worthless"?
Heck I guess most babies were both before OB/GYNs those docs are generally "basically worthless"....

I hear that "we tell them what to do" business a lot from Pathologists. I think it is some compensatory statement to make up for insecurities and the fact that most people (including some other doctors) don't consider us real doctors. To me it sounds so arrogant.

I will never tell anyone what to do. My only purpose as a pathologist will be to serve the medical staff in the management of their patients. That will be the secret to my success.

Once you are of no help or once they don't trust you, you become worthless.

 

[EUA]

Thanks for the linky. There is not much more amusing than listening to the grandiose declarations of those who know absolutely nothing.

Back to my slides now, even if 95% of the world thinks it's a painful and sleep-inducing exercise.

 

[djmd]

I think it is some compensatory statement to make up for insecurities and the fact that most people (including some other doctors) don't consider us real doctors. To me it sounds so arrogant.

My only purpose as a pathologist will be to serve the medical staff in the management of their patients. That will be the secret to my success.

Thanks for sharing your opinion based off of nothing. "will be", call me when you get to "is"

It isn't arrogant, it is a weighty statement of our profession.
And no we don't "tell them what to", however what we say dictates their action.
We don't say "Six cycles of CHOP" ,or "Resection indicated" but we say T2bN0 pulmonary adenocarcinoma.
They have treatment nomograms which they follow, based off of our statements...

Take the rightous, yet deferential stuff and put it back in your Med school application statement.


oh and UCSF, I was granting them all of the Dx tools except pathology, and I think the number is lower too, but I didn't want to seem "Arrogant" like dermpathfanboi thinks...

 

[DarksideAllstar]

oh and UCSF, I was granting them all of the Dx tools except pathology, and I think the number is lower too, but I didn't want to seem "Arrogant" like dermpathfanboi thinks...

You are far too kind. 😉

 

[Cabbage Head]

Thanks for sharing your opinion based off of nothing. "will be", call me when you get to "is"

It isn't arrogant, it is a weighty statement of our profession.
And no we don't "tell them what to", however what we say dictates their action.
We don't say "Six cycles of CHOP" ,or "Resection indicated" but we say T2bN0 pulmonary adenocarcinoma.
They have treatment nomograms which they follow, based off of our statements...

Take the rightous, yet deferential stuff and put it back in your Med school application statement.


oh and UCSF, I was granting them all of the Dx tools except pathology, and I think the number is lower too, but I didn't want to seem "Arrogant" like dermpathfanboi thinks...

Relax, you're being very un-dude.

 

[yaah]

Awesome. I love premeds. I can't believe I once was one. 😳

 

[djmd]

Relax, you're being very un-dude.

It is just that that rug really tied to the room together...




that and I am getting some pain in the ass cases!
(maybe I will post one to the gross images later)

 

[Cabbage Head]

It is just that that rug really tied to the room together...




that and I am getting some pain in the ass cases!
(maybe I will post one to the gross images later)

...calmer than you are...

 

[DarksideAllstar]

...calmer than you are...

Donnie, will you shut the f*ck up!

 

[Gut Shot]

Awesome. I love premeds. I can't believe I once was one. 😳

Your persistent level-headedness amazes me. I have a theory that in real life you bitchslap kittens and whatnot.

 

[yaah]

Your persistent level-headedness amazes me. I have a theory that in real life you bitchslap kittens and whatnot.

My theory is that one day I will just suddenly go insane. Kittens beware.

 

[deschutes]

Your persistent level-headedness amazes me.

It extends to his driving behaviour, which makes for high comedy, which I have had the privilege to witness.

Then again I am easily amused.

 

[yaah]

It extends to his driving behaviour, which makes for high comedy, which I have had the privilege to witness.

Then again I am easily amused.

Number of times pulled over by a cop: 0
Number of moving violations: 0
Number of accidents: 3
Number of accidents in which my car was stopped at the time of the accident and someone hit me: 3
My on-time record relative to everyone I know: Superior

😛

 

[beary]

I have a theory that in real life you bitchslap kittens and whatnot.

He does. We're in residency together. I have personally seen this. 😉

 

[nori!]

Everybody step back! This guy helped with an autopsy, and he's got somethin' to say 'bout Pathology!

It's kinda like saying "I watched this show on Discovery channel, and now I can perform the surgery myself!"

 

[b&ierstiefel]

It extends to his driving behaviour, which makes for high comedy, which I have had the privilege to witness.

Then again I am easily amused.

Yup...been there. Although I didn't find it THAT amusing.

Recently got out of a ticket for reckless driving (going 25 over the speed limit)...got a warning. Sweet!

 

[Cabbage Head]

It's kinda like saying "I watched this show on Discovery channel, and now I can perform the surgery myself!"

No, I'm not a pathologist, and I didn't even go to medical school...but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

 

[DarksideAllstar]

No, I'm not a pathologist, and I didn't even go to medical school...but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

At least you are now qualified to find the hidden and sporadically placed spooge stains in a hotel room.

 

[b&ierstiefel]

At least you are now qualified to find the hidden and sporadically placed spooge stains in a hotel room.

OMG...that's just wrong.

 

[1Path]

Awesome. I love premeds. I can't believe I once was one. 😳

I do believe that I'm the ONLY premed interested in pathology and that's just fine by me. I hope the ALL go into surgery or something anyway!