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that redhead said:
Ooh that would make sense. We have a roomba (her name is Dorothy and I'm certain she's plotting to kill us) that I'm sure would suction up some poop if it were nearby, but she listed the roomba separately, soo I'm curious.
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Have those of you with roombas experienced a crime scene of vomit and diarrhea yet? Or have they evolved to not do that anymore?
 
Minnerbelle said:
Have those of you with roombas experienced a crime scene of vomit and diarrhea yet? Or have they evolved to not do that anymore?
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I have been making sure to do a poop evaluation before turning my Shark robovac on and I only run it when I’m home now that I have the puppy. I have a newer model and I don’t think there’s any way it would sense that.
 
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Hey y'all! I have a question about the quality of surgical instruments. I am given the option of buying either German, midline, or economy quality instruments for school. I understand that German is the highest quality and is more durable, but what other reason would a student need a German quality needle driver over a midline or economy needle driver for example?
 
blueheeler said:
Hey y'all! I have a question about the quality of surgical instruments. I am given the option of buying either German, midline, or economy quality instruments for school. I understand that German is the highest quality and is more durable, but what other reason would a student need a German quality needle driver over a midline or economy needle driver for example?
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For our school, instruments were used for wet labs and clinical skills testing. I got the cheapest I could and they did fine.
 
batsenecal said:
For our school, instruments were used for wet labs and clinical skills testing. I got the cheapest I could and they did fine.
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Yup, we used ours for anatomy too. Honestly all of my school instruments are pretty crappy now and not something I'd plan on ever using on actual patients because I know where they've been and I'll never feel like I can get them clean lmao
 
blueheeler said:
Hey y'all! I have a question about the quality of surgical instruments. I am given the option of buying either German, midline, or economy quality instruments for school. I understand that German is the highest quality and is more durable, but what other reason would a student need a German quality needle driver over a midline or economy needle driver for example?
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Definitely see if you can find out what all you'll be using them for. When we first bought our instruments we used them for cadaver labs and the like, but later on we used our packs for our live surgery class. I initially bought economy but ended up needing a few more instruments for my pack so when I bought more I bought midline since it was just a couple individual instruments. I couldn't justify buying German since it was so much more expensive and I didn't feel like I necessarily needed instruments that I would keep using forever.

This actually reminded me that I should find someone to sell my pack to...
 
WildZoo said:
Definitely see if you can find out what all you'll be using them for. When we first bought our instruments we used them for cadaver labs and the like, but later on we used our packs for our live surgery class. I initially bought economy but ended up needing a few more instruments for my pack so when I bought more I bought midline since it was just a couple individual instruments. I couldn't justify buying German since it was so much more expensive and I didn't feel like I necessarily needed instruments that I would keep using forever.

This actually reminded me that I should find someone to sell my pack to...
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The instruments are needed for anatomy and a suturing class. The order form specifies which instruments are to be used for anatomy vs learning to suture, so I assume they'd want us to keep those instruments separate from each other. I don't think we're allowed to purchase a complete surgical pack just yet. Well, it's not on the order form as far as I can tell. The veterinarian I worked for recommended I buy German instruments, but almost every vet student I have talked to has recommended I get the cheaper ones. I think I'm going to go ahead and order the cheapest option available. Thank you everyone! :nod:
 
How do you know which quality you have 🤣
I have whatever savma was selling but I know they’re not german because the quality definitely isn’t great :laugh:
 
WildZoo said:
Definitely see if you can find out what all you'll be using them for. When we first bought our instruments we used them for cadaver labs and the like, but later on we used our packs for our live surgery class. I initially bought economy but ended up needing a few more instruments for my pack so when I bought more I bought midline since it was just a couple individual instruments. I couldn't justify buying German since it was so much more expensive and I didn't feel like I necessarily needed instruments that I would keep using forever.

This actually reminded me that I should find someone to sell my pack to...
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Wait what, your school doesn’t provide surgery packs for live surgeries!? Wtf? So like you bring your own and have them sterilized?
 
WildZoo said:
Yes. Is that not common?
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Our junior surgery lab has 22 stations, each with it's own pack that group A and B share. Group A does surgery week 1, cleans up that station, sets up the pack for autoclave, and then our shelter med tech puts the pack out for group B the following week.
 
batsenecal said:
Our junior surgery lab has 22 stations, each with it's own pack that group A and B share. Group A does surgery week 1, cleans up that station, sets up the pack for autoclave, and then our shelter med tech puts the pack out for group B the following week.
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Ah gotcha. I kind of liked having my own pack, for practicing things at home. We just had to have them turned in to central sterilization by Monday each week, and did surgery on Wednesday.
 
WildZoo said:
Ah gotcha. I kind of liked having my own pack, for practicing things at home. We just had to have them turned in to central sterilization by Monday each week, and did surgery on Wednesday.
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We also have our own basic packs. Lol.
 
WildZoo said:
Ah gotcha. I kind of liked having my own pack, for practicing things at home. We just had to have them turned in to central sterilization by Monday each week, and did surgery on Wednesday.
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well yeah I had a pack for home use, but would never have to bring it in for use on animals.

That’s like the cheapest thing I’ve heard vet schools do. Not supply surgical instruments for live surgeries...
 
Minnerbelle said:
well yeah I had a pack for home use, but would never have to bring it in for use on animals.

That’s like the cheapest thing I’ve heard vet schools do. Not supply surgical instruments for live surgeries...
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I guess I never thought about it that way. Like, if we have to buy the instruments anyway for other things, which is seems students at several schools do, why not continue to use them? :shrug:

But sure, it may have been a cost-saving measure. My school is rather poor :laugh:

(Edit: Other than the dean...he's certainly not poor. But idk what vet school dean salary at other schools is anyway!)
 
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Minnerbelle said:
well yeah I had a pack for home use, but would never have to bring it in for use on animals.

That’s like the cheapest thing I’ve heard vet schools do. Not supply surgical instruments for live surgeries...
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We had to buy our own surgery packs as a group that we used for all surgery labs during third year, and that was how it had been for the longest time. Then we threw a fit about it and decided to try to get it changed. There’s absolutely no need for every group to have to buy a surgery kit. What eventually happened was that future years would get to rent a kit from the school. However, the school wouldn’t/couldn’t buy our kits from us and we ended up selling them to a local vet.
 
WildZoo said:
I guess I never thought about it that way. Like, if we have to buy the instruments anyway for other things, which is seems students at several schools do, why not continue to use them? :shrug:
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As a surgical patient, I would hope that the tools used in my abdominal cavity during a surgery (esp a student surgery where the operator is not ideal) are used only for this purpose... I’d also be a little worried about the quality control and maintenance of these instruments too.
 
Our surgery packs for junior surgery were provided, we just had to clean the instruments, put the pack back together and re-wrap it each week. And they weren't ours to keep. We had to buy dissection kits for first year, but those didn't include everything you'd need for a spay, and between the nastiness and them getting beat up I wouldn't really want to use those instruments on a live patient. Last I heard they provide dissection kits now too.
 
Oh, we didn't use the same packs for dissections, sorry if that was unclear. Needle drivers, forceps, and scalpel handles were used multiple times for our surgery labs 2nd year, which were suturing practice and the like, we used the gowns for practice gowning and gloving, drapes for practice as well. It's been a while but I think more of the instruments may have been used for one or two cadaver labs. And then we otherwise used everything for spay/neuter surgeries 2nd or 3rd year, and during one rotation 4th year.

Never heard of any complications with our spay/neuter surgeries so while yeah, ideally the school would provide them for financial reasons, I don't know if the argument from the perspective of the instruments not being taken care of holds up. Not like we were taking dirty instruments and using them in patients.
 
WildZoo said:
Oh, we didn't use the same packs for dissections, sorry if that was unclear. Needle drivers, forceps, and scalpel handles were used multiple times for our surgery labs 2nd year, which were suturing practice and the like, we used the gowns for practice gowning and gloving, drapes for practice as well. It's been a while but I think more of the instruments may have been used for one or two cadaver labs. And then we otherwise used everything for spay/neuter surgeries 2nd or 3rd year, and during one rotation 4th year.

Never heard of any complications with our spay/neuter surgeries so while yeah, ideally the school would provide them for financial reasons, I don't know if the argument from the perspective of the instruments not being taken care of holds up. Not like we were taking dirty instruments and using them in patients.
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My hangup was the school requireing you to purchase stuff for surgery like that. I feel like surgical equipment should be supplied for stuff like live animal surgeries.
 
batsenecal said:
My hangup was the school requireing you to purchase stuff for surgery like that. I feel like surgical equipment should be supplied for stuff like live animal surgeries.
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No disagreement there. Anytime someone mentioned something was supplied/paid for by their school I get a little jealous (looking mostly at Davis, probably) :laugh:
 
lilylilac said:
We had to buy our own surgery packs as a group that we used for all surgery labs during third year, and that was how it had been for the longest time. Then we threw a fit about it and decided to try to get it changed. There’s absolutely no need for every group to have to buy a surgery kit. What eventually happened was that future years would get to rent a kit from the school. However, the school wouldn’t/couldn’t buy our kits from us and we ended up selling them to a local vet.
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Not having to buy a surgery pack was pretty nice, thanks for throwing a fit for the benefit of future years lol It's crazy to me that no one thought of this sooner...silly to have every group buy a pack
 
PippyPony said:
Living proof.

The only thing I don't like is the price and how quickly I go through it.
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Hi I would just like to come back a year later and 10/10 this dry shampoo because it’s the only one I’ve found that actually makes my hair look p good when I am lazy and I’ve tried like 5 different ones.
 
Sorry I replied to a post from like a year ago, the app decided that's where I had left off reading this thread for some reason ::sigh::

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Coopah said:
Oof, they hurt my arches and I couldn't get it to stop. I can't wear them. The tightness abated but I've got something similar to flat feet, so it was just painful after a while.
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Sorry to hear 🙁 I have very high arches, so this might partially be why I felt more comfortable in them than you did!
 
vetmedhead said:
Sorry to hear 🙁 I have very high arches, so this might partially be why I felt more comfortable in them than you did!
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Yup I have high arches, and they are a godsend. I can see how they might be a bit too much of a shiatsu massage on the foot if you have flat feet. I usually have to try on 20 pairs before I settle on the right one though. I have an awesome store that will order a bunch more for me to try if the ones on the shelf aren’t quite right. So worth the intense search. I usually have to replace every two years. By then, they’re so worn that the people at the store give me a discount on the next one.
 
Dang, it’s crazy to hear about everyone’s different experiences with Danskos! I have super flat feet and I couldn’t wear running shoes anymore at work because it would send shooting pain up my back after a few hours of standing. The first day I wore my Danskos to work, I breathed a sigh of relief because they literally saved my back lol. Although there’s been a few times where my ankles will give out, but I will take that over my back pain any day...
 
iguessisaidthat said:
Although there’s been a few times where my ankles will give out, but I will take that over my back pain any day...
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Yes, most definitely not for those with weak ankles. My ankles aren’t great so my ankles give out fairly often... like I’ll buckle over even if I’m just standing still and everyone around me is like WTF!? If they weren’t the only shoes I could stand in all day and not have my feet hurt, I’d chuck them the first chance I got. They’re ugly AF but I have at least one client a day comment on how they like them, so... eh?

I also think the individual fit is an issue with some of the people who hate it too. Particularly those who ordered them online. It’s such a crapshoot.
 
Did anyone get anymore information on the CSU virtual anatomy of the dog? First it was $40, then free, now the website says $75 (unless I am looking at the wrong thing). Can someone confirm? Also, is the canine the only good one? What about horse, feline, etc? Thanks!
virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu

12 Month Subscription to Virtual Animal Anatomy - 5 license bundles

Virtual Animal Anatomy (VAA) includes a complete canine anatomy program, and partial equine, bovine, and feline anatomy programs. VAA is distributed as an external tool for learning management systems (e.g. Canvas, Moodle, Blackboard, D2L, etc.). A learning management system is required to run...
virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu

Edit: Ah, I see this is for 5 license, but don't see an option for 1?
 
amsweeney said:
Did anyone get anymore information on the CSU virtual anatomy of the dog? First it was $40, then free, now the website says $75 (unless I am looking at the wrong thing). Can someone confirm? Also, is the canine the only good one? What about horse, feline, etc? Thanks!
virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu

12 Month Subscription to Virtual Animal Anatomy - 5 license bundles

Virtual Animal Anatomy (VAA) includes a complete canine anatomy program, and partial equine, bovine, and feline anatomy programs. VAA is distributed as an external tool for learning management systems (e.g. Canvas, Moodle, Blackboard, D2L, etc.). A learning management system is required to run...
virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu

Edit: Ah, I see this is for 5 license, but don't see an option for 1?
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Oh damn it’s also only a 12 month subscription. It used to be a lifetime download.

Maybe see if you can find 4 other people who’d want to split it with you at school then it’s only $15 apiece
Edit: wait id def contact them and make sure students can buy it themselves. The top of the page for that makes it sound like you need to be able to put it on your schools moodle/blackboard/etc site for it to work.
 
SkiOtter said:
Oh damn it’s also only a 12 month subscription. It used to be a lifetime download.

Maybe see if you can find 4 other people who’d want to split it with you at school then it’s only $15 apiece
Edit: wait id def contact them and make sure students can buy it themselves. The top of the page for that makes it sound like you need to be able to put it on your schools moodle/blackboard/etc site for it to work.
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Thanks!
 
SkiOtter said:
Oh damn it’s also only a 12 month subscription. It used to be a lifetime download.

Maybe see if you can find 4 other people who’d want to split it with you at school then it’s only $15 apiece
Edit: wait id def contact them and make sure students can buy it themselves. The top of the page for that makes it sound like you need to be able to put it on your schools moodle/blackboard/etc site for it to work.
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Seems like individual subscriptions will be available by August! 🙂
 

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amsweeney said:
Did anyone get anymore information on the CSU virtual anatomy of the dog? First it was $40, then free, now the website says $75 (unless I am looking at the wrong thing). Can someone confirm? Also, is the canine the only good one? What about horse, feline, etc? Thanks!
virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu

12 Month Subscription to Virtual Animal Anatomy - 5 license bundles

Virtual Animal Anatomy (VAA) includes a complete canine anatomy program, and partial equine, bovine, and feline anatomy programs. VAA is distributed as an external tool for learning management systems (e.g. Canvas, Moodle, Blackboard, D2L, etc.). A learning management system is required to run...
virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu virtualanimalanatomy.colostate.edu

Edit: Ah, I see this is for 5 license, but don't see an option for 1?
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get a free vin account and use their anatomy resources instead. I honestly wasn’t a huge fan of CSU’s and I was able to use it when it was still free. I also like Minnesota’s canine dissection videos.
 
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