I searched this already but haven't found a similar post. What if you are charged with a summary charge (public drunkenness in my case) AFTER you have been accepted to a medical school. Do you need to inform them?
axe1414 said:I searched this already but haven't found a similar post. What if you are charged with a summary charge (public drunkenness in my case) AFTER you have been accepted to a medical school. Do you need to inform them?
axe1414 said:I forgot to mention, this is for a school that asked if you have been convicted of any crime other than a minor traffic violation in their secondary (so this would apply). That is why I am worried. Thanks.
axe1414 said:I searched this already but haven't found a similar post. What if you are charged with a summary charge (public drunkenness in my case) AFTER you have been accepted to a medical school. Do you need to inform them?
oldman said:oh, doh.
well it's likely they won't find out at this point right? i don't know what happens when you get something on your record. oh wait, they'll eventually do a background check on you. i have to do that every year for med school. perhaps it's better to confess now.
axe1414 said:I searched this already but haven't found a similar post. What if you are charged with a summary charge (public drunkenness in my case) AFTER you have been accepted to a medical school. Do you need to inform them?
axe1414 said:I searched this already but haven't found a similar post. What if you are charged with a summary charge (public drunkenness in my case) AFTER you have been accepted to a medical school. Do you need to inform them?
Newquagmire said:is public drunkenness really that big of a deal (especially with your story)? i hear med students are a pretty wild drunk crew anyway...
axe1414 said:I searched this already but haven't found a similar post. What if you are charged with a summary charge (public drunkenness in my case) AFTER you have been accepted to a medical school. Do you need to inform them?
Were you convicted of anything? If not, then it falls outside what they ask for. I don't think they can really keep you out if you've only been charged with something.axe1414 said:I forgot to mention, this is for a school that asked if you have been convicted of any crime other than a minor traffic violation in their secondary (so this would apply). That is why I am worried. Thanks.
snowbear said:First, wait to see if you are found guilty or not guilty.
If you are found not guilty don't mention it.
Even if you were found guilty, I would normally say not to tell them, but because they asked about it in their secondary I would advise you to tell them. If I were you I would send a description of what happened (dates, location, type of conviction, etc.) and your reflection on it to the school. By reflection, I mean "what you have learned from it." I know this sounds stupid because all you did was accidently fall asleep, but make up some BS about how you have discovered how important it is to moderate your alcohol intake and to make careful decisions as to when and where you will drink alcohol. I don't think they will think it's a big deal at all, but by writing about how you have learned from the experience, it will make them more comfortable that drinking won't be a problem with you in the future.
The reason I think that you should report the conviction (only if you are convicted) is because they made it clear in their application (secondary) that they use this information (all charges except traffic violations) to make decisions for admission. When schools issue acceptances months before matriculation, the acceptances are contigent on the applicant's maintenance of their previous performance (before acceptance). Because a part of your application has changed (assuming you are convicted) since you have received the acceptance, you must report this change just as you would if you failed a class that you told the school that you would complete between when you were accepted and when you matriculate.
Basically this is just a precautionary measure so that when they do a background check and find this on your record, they will not kick you out of school for not reporting it. Remember that on their secondary, you sign something saying that if any of the information that you reported is false or if you left anything out they reserve the right to expel you from school upon discovery. I don't necessairly believe that they would expel you based on this, but by reporting the conviction you legally protect yourself from being expeled later.
On the other hand, if you do report this, they could now legally revoke your acceptance. I think it's safe to say that if they would revoke your acceptance now for being honest about this minor conviction, then they would definitely expel you from school (when they did the background check) for the conviction, and for not being honest with the school about the charge before you matriculated. It's a lot better to have a revoked acceptance than to be kicked out of a med school for these reasons: (1) It's going to be near impossible, if not impossible, to apply for med school after you have been kicked out of a med school; (2) you might have some other schools to fall back on right now (other acceptances that did not ask about charges other than a felony)
Just my opinion, I would definately check this with a lawyer.
WatchingWaiting said:I'm not sure we should be doing this kind of analysis, because this issue really is pretty minor. However, there is a difference between them finding out now and finding out when he is a student-- their investment in him, their difficulty in dumping a medical student (they'll have to schedule a hearing; he'll get to present his case, etc.) and the fact that it looks bad to have someone start your program but not finish, protest from his fellow med students (esp. for something minor and if he is even semi-liked), whereas it is very easy now to just drop his acceptance and go down one name on the waitlist.
axe1414 said:Thanks for the posts. The only thing is that I am currently holding 2 acceptances -- 1 at a school that asked about crimes other than traffic, and I cannot access the other school's secondary because it was submitted online (and reaccess is not permitted). Because I have to let the school know by May 15th, and my trial date is after that date, I'm not sure if I should let the school that I'm interested in know right now (to make sure I have the other acceptance to fall back on if they revoke my acceptance). The other school (my 2nd choice) is the school whose secondary I cannot access, so I am not sure if I should or should not let them know if the other school revokes. I doubt they will revoke an acceptance for being honest and reporting such a minor crime (And also the circumstances), but its better to be safe like you guys have mentioned than have them find out and be worried about dishonesty, etc.
Thanks for the help.
AlreadyInDebt said:Stories like this make me sad I often find myself asking "Why would you jeopardize all you have worked for?" I hope things work out for you and you can use this as an experience to grow from. Good Luck.
axe1414 said:Thats the other thing I was thinking about. I'm really torn between what I should do--report and get it out of the way now (assuming I'm convicted) or don't report and have them pursue it later if they think it is an issue. And as for the schools that don't ask you about summary charges or 'minor crimes', there would be no need to report to them right? Because nothing has changed from the time I submitted my secondary.
WatchingWaiting said:In all honesty, the prudish people who have never had a drink in their lives, are virgins until their marriage, etc. are more likely to have problems being good physicians than the people who actually engage in normal behavior and will likely be able to actually relate to their patients' weaknesses instead of stand, pass judgment, and come off as aloof and haughty
Thundrstorm said:*heads out to get drunk and have sex, since obviously, she can't be a good doctor without doing so, and of course will be judgemental of anyone else's lifestyle*
To the OP: I don't have an informed answer, but I probably would say not to report it at this point. Good luck.
Personally, I would not. I think that as long as you were honest on your application, it shouldn't affect your enrollment. I'm not 100% sure about any of this though, you may want to call the school anonymously or have your lawyer find out for you.axe1414 said:Kalel,
I am going to court over it. However, if I am convicted should I let the school know prior to matriculation? That is all I am worried about. Thanks again.
oldman said:this is definitely tough. especially since you dont' know what they mikght do if they figure it out later.
at my school a pharmacy student had stated something about his military record on his application and in the spring of his 4th year, there was something false in it that was discovered. that's when they expelled him.
axe1414 said:Well, that is understandable. However, you have to remember in my case that what I presented in my secondary application (as well as AMCAS) was ALL honest and accurate. Its just that a (possible) change may occur where my answer to one of the questions would change. I am not sure if that warrants a obligation to inform or not. The schools are really not clear about this.
axe1414 said:Well, that is understandable. However, you have to remember in my case that what I presented in my secondary application (as well as AMCAS) was ALL honest and accurate. Its just that a (possible) change may occur where my answer to one of the questions would change. I am not sure if that warrants a obligation to inform or not. The schools are really not clear about this.
snowbear said:They really expelled him during his 4th year????? Do you have any idea what the false information was about? Gosh that would suck.