Summer Programs and URM Rant

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^ Calling people 'haters' the moment they disagree with you. Nice, bro!

Please take a sociology course which examines oppression and privilege to understand why 'reverse racism' is not as big a problem as racism. Secondly if you're black and you see a black physician or your parent is a physician or any highly educated professional you're probably going to see that it is also possible for you to become a highly educated figure ( See importance of Role Models). And if you're parent is a physician or a highly educated professional be more likely to have a higher quality life and pursue higher education.
Not to mention that you've got a lot more advantages as opposed to most black people if you're white. You're more likely to be hired, you're more likely to be able to afford an sat/mcat prep course, and a whole lot of other privileges.

FYI, I did take Socio and Philosophy classes in which we once discussed why we should be paying for what our "grandfathers" had done.

I also worked for the underserved. Some URM students I worked with simply lacked the motivation to study, despite all the resources we offered them. We more or less forced them to see tutors, forced them to do hw instead of hanging out, to attend classes, to stay on college app. deadline, etc.; and once in a while parents came in expressing their concerns. They just didn't care about their own future. Would you blame other people for their behavior?

Why can't we see people as individuals instead of attributing whatever problems they're facing with to their race?

The color of one's skin does not determine the ease or difficulty of one's life. I know plenty of white people and Asians who can't afford MCAT course, just as I know minorities who are financially comfortable. Race simply is not a fair thing to take into account.

Racial Composition of the 112th Congress (including Delegates in the House)

White
361 U.S. House
96 U.S. Senate

Black
44 U.S. House
0 U.S. Senate

Hispanic
25 U.S. House
2 U.S. Senate

Asian
7 U.S. House
2 U.S. Senate

American Indian
1 U.S. House
0 U.S. Senate

There're still substantially more blacks in Congress than other races

 

[MegMurry]

Oh look, it's this thread again.

that thread didn't go anywhere. Im not trying to be racist, i want some discussion

It was 2 pages long. I bet this one goes about the same way

lol @ ever-prescient mods 👍

 

[mipp0]

^ Calling people 'haters' the moment they disagree with you. Nice, bro!

FYI, I did take Socio and Philosophy classes in which we once discussed why we should be paying for what our "grandfathers" had done.

I also worked for the underserved. Some URM students I worked with simply lacked the motivation to study, despite all the resources we offered them. We more or less forced them to see tutors, forced them to do hw instead of hanging out, to attend classes, to stay on college app. deadline, etc.; and once in a while parents came in expressing their concerns. They just didn't care about their own future. Would you blame other people for their behavior?

LOL. If this is how you perceived and approached the problem, you didn't learn much from your classes...I applaud you for your willingness to help the underserved, however.

Why can't we see people as individuals instead of attributing whatever problems they're facing with to their race?

We don't live in a post-racial society yet, and there are still social barriers to improvement of life chances for URM. There is a reason why class and race intersect. Attributing "failure" through a cultural deficit model is the worst thing you can do. You should learn more about race, education, language, and culture in the classroom, or you'll continue to make statements like above. Consider, also, how property taxes fund schools...guess which racial groups get the short end of the stick...for multiple generations? If you want to solve these problems, be more critical when looking at the problems.

The color of one's skin does not determine the ease or difficulty of one's life. I know plenty of white people and Asians who can't afford MCAT course, just as I know minorities who are financially comfortable. Race simply is not a fair thing to take into account.

How race is factored into the admissions process can and should be improved. No disagreement there. The process gets more prickly for public medical schools, of course.

There're still substantially more blacks in Congress than other races
Another uninformed comment. Black Americans have a proud history of community and political mobilization, but they have also endured a kind of history and relationship with the US that is unique to them. Regarding black representation in the NBA, factor in how the media perpetuates certain stereotypes of black Americans and the kinds of resources, role models, etc. that are available to young black children. If you want a clearer example of the power of stereotypes in the NBA, google "Jeremy Lin".

Hope this helps!

 

[kpcrew]

no biggie mippo, i deleted it before reading but let's leave that out since it doesn't contribute to the conversation.

and to be fair, you brought up some very good points. but the fact is that we're younger than most americans and we were brought up in different times. the so called millenial generation is much more socially and economically liberal than those that came before. I'm not sure as to whether this has to do with the generational differences or just the effects of age but they're rather concrete. when you have people ask you about where you're originally from, i take it as a sign of curiosity. of course there is implicit racism there since they don't expect you to ask them where they're from but i believe that in general, the intention is not to be condescending or offensive. the fact is that people make assumptions all the time and it's not easy to be sensitive to every demographic, especially for people who grew up in with a different set of morals and standards. there is a continual shifting of the zeitgeist in every age. for ours, you can see the growth in popular support for gay marriage or the legalization of marijuana which have been historically opposed by those in power.

 

[Stumpyman]

I eff'd up. I sent you an apology right after I sent it. I really am sorry, and it was a very low blow. Disgraceful, and I own up to it 🙁

Race and social justice debates can get very heated, but that's no excuse. To be fair, your reply to my initial message was very mean.

I feel like I'm apologizing to my girlfriend...always protracted and unnecessarily painful...
Can you at least post my apology and the time I sent it, or would you like me to suffer more?

I sense some dramaaaaa 😀

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

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California is well known for being a tolerant state, in comparison to many other states. I never said prejudice is non-existent in California--I was implying Californians are generally more open-minded.
In all honesty I sincerely doubt the validity of this statement. I would say that it's potentially worse in California than it is on many East coast states.

I think you are over-analyzing my post. Also, I'm sure you are in the minority of people who are asked the "where are you from originally" question. I was asked purely because of my appearance...there is the context issue, y' know?
No, it's because I'm a darker tone than the usual Irish-English-German mix here in the country. I don't take it as an insult really. Also the majority of immigrants from the old world usually ask me this question as well. It's a conversation starter if you lived within that vicinity. I really don't get why you're so insulted by that.

Anyway, I hope, in regards to the issues brought up in this thread, we are in agreement.

Also, generalize what? I was honestly asked those questions while I was flying...

I've also been asked interesting questions while flying lol.

 

[deleted212936]

I don't find the term "Oriental" offensive or problematic at all. It sounds nice in my language.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Dude! Which hole did you crawl out of????

It's disconcerting that people who are this naive might be doctors.

The color of one's skin does not determine the ease or difficulty of one's life. I know plenty of white people and Asians who can't afford MCAT course, just as I know minorities who are financially comfortable. Race simply is not a fair thing to take into account.

Stah-tis-ticks

 

[NoNotYouLionel]

FYI, I did take Socio and Philosophy classes in which we once discussed why we should be paying for what our "grandfathers" had done.

I also worked for the underserved. Some URM students I worked with simply lacked the motivation to study, despite all the resources we offered them. We more or less forced them to see tutors, forced them to do hw instead of hanging out, to attend classes, to stay on college app. deadline, etc.; and once in a while parents came in expressing their concerns. They just didn't care about their own future. Would you blame other people for their behavior?

Did you not wonder why these kids were not motivated? Did you just assume they were all lazy, or did you ever try to talk to them and see if some of them were just afraid that college is something beyond their capabilities?

And let's not pretend the racial issues in this country were brought about only by things done by our grandfathers. Segregation still existed during my parents' lifetimes. There were still anti-miscegenation laws until about 1970. Do you think all the people that supported that stuff just disappeared? I've heard peers and teachers use slurs and make stereotypical insults about people of my race. What impact do you think racial stereotypes might have on students, the way they think about themselves, and the way teachers treat them?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Did you not wonder why these kids were not motivated? Did you just assume they were all lazy, or did you ever try to talk to them and see if some of them were just afraid that college is something beyond their capabilities?

And let's not pretend the racial issues in this country were brought about only by things done by our grandfathers. Segregation still existed during my parents' lifetimes. There were still anti-miscegenation laws until about 1970. Do you think all the people that supported that stuff just disappeared? I've heard peers and teachers use slurs and make stereotypical insults about people of my race. What impact do you think racial stereotypes might have on students, the way they think about themselves, and the way teachers treat them?

Just-world-complex. If you work hard, pray hard, do good things, then good things and success will happen to you. It's the most naive belief in the world, but many people truly believe it to be truth.

 

[anbuitachi]

you make great points OP. now go do something about it or nothing will ever change

 

[Kj615]

you make great points OP. now go do something about it or nothing will ever change

👍

 

[Narmerguy]

In four and a half years of being on SDN I haven't seen a productive thread started this way yet. Let's have it baby! 👍 Maybe the 70th time's the charm.

 

[gettheleadout]

In four and a half years of being on SDN I haven't seen a productive thread started this way yet. Let's have it baby! 👍 Maybe the 70th time's the charm.

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[sector9]

In four and a half years of being on SDN I haven't seen a productive thread started this way yet. Let's have it baby! 👍 Maybe the 70th time's the charm.