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I was wondering what you guys could tell me about the SUNY school ie, buffalo, stonybrook, upstate/syracuse, and brooklyn
I was trying to decide between them. Which one has the better reputation, academic background, clinical experience, where are the students happier
 
Hi
My opinion may be different from Tim's (who I know is going to reply
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) I interviewed at SUNY Upstate (Syracuse) and SUNY Stony Brook. I also applied to SUNY Downstate, but turned down the interview offer.
From what I saw from Upstate and Stony Brook, I really thought that Stony Brook's facilities and reputation were better by far. The students were happier (the NICEST students I have met on any of my interviews), down-to-earth, and liked their school. As for Downstate, I didn't interview there because I had received my acceptance at Stony Brook.
I think that Stony Brook is the best of the SUNY schools. It has opportunities for research as well as a good clinical experience. However, it may not be the urban experience that many seek. The lifestyle is very different, you need a car, but the safety issue is by far different. However, the extra-curricular opportunities do not compare to the NYC environment.
As for reputation, SUNY Stony Brook is a highly ranked primary care school, because most of their class do go into primary care (around 70%). Since I'm interested in primary care, this suited me the best.
What I did not like about Upstate was the competition present. The students are highly competitive, and they didn't seem to get along with each other well. They work and are worked very hard, and Syracuse...well..it leaves much to be asked for. If you want to be in upstate NY (which is where I've been for the past 8 years...and I WANT OUT!!) then Syracuse would be a good place to be. But it just wasn't for me. University Hospital at Upstate is also a Level 3 Trauma center (I think? don't quote me on this one); it admits patients from all over here, so you do get the rare cases. At Upstate, you also have the opportunity to do your clinical years at the Binghamton campus (which is mostly primary care). However, you have to decide on your interview day which campus you want to be in two years (Syracuse or Binghamton). I wasn't prepared to decide that so soon, and neither were a lot of people there.
I hope this answers some of your questions. Let me know if you'd like more
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Tim I'm sure will tell you more about Downstate

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hope this helps
 
Uh-oh... The bat signal just went up.

As for the University Hospital at Upstate "Medical University" it's a Level 1 Trauma Center, which basically means a bunch of different services are on 24-hour call. Upstate serves a huge region in central New York -- the boonies, in other words. It's the only academic medical center in an area of about 1.7 million people.

But I wouldn't go there. About 1/3 of the class, as caffeinegirl noted, is sent down to the Binghamton clinical campus which is mainly geared to turning their graduates into primary care physicians. This sucks because 1) if you don't wanna be a primary care physician, you're kinda out of luck 'cause they assigned you the Binghamton campus AT YOUR INTERVIEW and 2) you're removed from the university's main setting in Syracuse.

While you may think Syracuse is a nice town, it's actually kinda dumpy. Crime is high and the city's population is quickly shrinking.

Stony Brook does have a better national reputation and, as such, sports a somewhat stronger student body. However more than 70% of their students enter primary care. I'm not an opponent of primary care, but if you go to a school whose mission ISN'T to produce primary care physicians but in which more than 70% of the student body goes into primary care, what's going on? Stony Brook's clinical affiliations are weak because they're mainly situated on Long Island. They've lost a lot of their stronger affiliations in recent years and currently its strongest affiliation is its own University Hospital. But according to the New York Times, the State University hospitals, as an entity (because they operate as such) are in the red.

According to our Dean and our President, Downstate University Hospital is the only SUNY hospital that's in the black and has been able to cover a portion of the debt generated by the other two institutions. As a side note Buffalo doesn't have its own hospital. Downstate may not be as strong as Stony Brook in national reputation, but less than 50% of our class goes into a primary care residency. That's not necessarily a good thing either, but at least it would appear that you have more options at Downstate than at Stony Brook. Downstate's in a really bad neighborhood, for which most applicants and students seem to fault the school, but the neighborhood is our greatest resource. Downstate is the only academic medical center outside Manhattan and the Bronx, and its physicians serve an area of greater than 2.5 million people (Kings, Queens, and Richmond counties). Residents of Central Brooklyn, which numbers greater than 700,000, utilize the services at Downstate and its municipal hospital affiliate Kings County Hospital Center heavily.

As far as pathology goes, you're gonna see more here than at most medical schools in the country. You'll see things that other people only read about. Perhaps the only other med school in New York that compares CLINICALLY is NYU (they have their own university hospital and Bellevue, the "flagship" of the Manhattan public hospitals).

Nationally Downstate isn't well-off, but with the bigger academic institutions we're well-liked. According to the AAMC the medical school at Downstate ranks 7th nationally in the number of alumni who hold faculty positions at other academic medical centers (not including Downstate). So there's a "Downstate connection" out there. Our graduates do well in matching to residencies up and down the eastern seaboard. Our affiliates are all clinically good and diverse, stretching all five boroughs of the city, Long Island, and even Miami, FL. Research is available if you want it, but the truth is not too many students engage in this activity on campus.

Average MCAT: 30 (9V, 10.5P, 10.5B)
Average GPA: 3.56
Most represented colleges: Cornell, Columbia, NYU, Brooklyn College (BA/MD program), and SUNY Binghamton.


So that you have a better idea of my feeling on the subject, I'll organize it for you this way.

Reputation: Buffalo, Stony Brook, Downstate, Upstate.

Academic Background: Buffalo, Stony Brook, Downstate, Upstate.

Clinical Experience: Downstate (UH and KCHC), Buffalo (Buffalo General), Stony Brook (UHMC), Upstate (UH).

Giddy students: Stony Brook, Buffalo, Downstate, Upstate.

Good luck.

Hope this helps.

Tim W. of the East Flatbush School of Medicine.
 
Dear Tim W.,

I have to correct you on your last post. The Binghamton Clinical Campus is no longer designed to train only primary care physicians. Initially(well over 20 years ago), its purpose was to train doctors to serve in more rural environs, but not is a satellite of the Syracuse campus. Students who train there end up in a plethora of specialties, from family practice to surgery. In fact, students from other medical schools in lower NY, including Einstein elect to do their clinical years in Binghamton. I view it as a valuable experience, students are often times paired with a physician and trained one-on-one; as opposed to simply watching procedures, they are offered the opportunity to do them or assist.
Tim, I am glad you are having a positive experience in Brooklyn, but this is no reason to misinform or attempt to degrade the reputation of other schools when you do not posess all the facts.

Sincerely,
Izzy
 
Dear Izzy
It's great that you gave us a different perspective on the Binghamton clinical campus. I think that both Tim and I got the impression of the primary care emphasis because that's what they tell you during the interview (at least that was my case).
Thanks for the information though, because it does change my impression of the clinical years at Binghamton.

 
Despite what you say, according to your own medical school, it sure smells like a primary care campus... (from http://www.upstate.edu/com/bingham.shtml)

Understand that while I think the Binghamton campus is designed to push more kids into a primary care program on graduation, that doesn't necessarily mean that all the Binghamton campus kids will become primary care physicians. I understand that many of them will go into something OTHER THAN PRIMARY CARE, however, the mission of the clinical campus is to turn out more primary care physicians.


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BINGHAMTON CLINICAL CAMPUS is a community-based program in clinical medical education. It was developed not only to provide room for more students in the College of Medicine, but also to provide an innovative program that follows the national trend of training more general physicians who focus on primary (first contact) health care, preventive medicine, and health maintenance.

Rajesh Dav?, MD
Dean, Clinical Campus at Binghamton
425 Robinson Street
Binghamton, NY 13901


The medical education experience at the Binghamton Clinical Campus meets all of Upstate Medical University's high standards and emphasizes:

Direct patient contact with a general and primary care orientation
Longitudinal primary care and ambulatory teaching
Inpatient instruction
The Binghamton Clinical Campus also offers curricular innovations such as:

Geriatrics clerkship
Practice of Medicine seminar
Population-based curriculum (including public policy, community health, and socioeconomic issues in health care)
Emphasis is placed on:

Developing and integrating basic skills
Increasing technical knowledge
Demonstrating the importance of ambulatory care
Fostering patient care
Developing the ability to identify and solve clinical problems

 
Tim,
I must remind you that I attend Upstate, and have spoken with many of the administrators at the Clinical Campus.... thats what I was told, and I think that deserves more weight that what is presented on a web page. Again, there is no need to negatively portray schools other than your own, Tim. Have a good one.

Izzy
 
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