Surgical Loupes - Need them as first year?

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Hey everyone,

I'd welcome some advice on whether to buy surgical loupes now, and if so, what specifications/names should I look for.
I just started ophtho residency a few weeks ago. After finally feeling good about internship, I've returned to knowing nothing. It's pretty depressing.

Anyway, along with buying a ton of incredibly expensive and heavy books, as well as even more expensive lenses, my attending recommended I get loupes so I can "learn how to operate correctly from the beginning."

I'm not entirely averse, as it seems I may have to get them eventually anyhow. It might be good to learn to use them and see the anatomy clearly from the get go. But I wanted opinions from the peanut gallery and any recommendations for brand names, magnification, style, etc. Thanks in advance and good luck to all you new interns, and residents.

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Hey everyone,

I'd welcome some advice on whether to buy surgical loupes now, and if so, what specifications/names should I look for.
I just started ophtho residency a few weeks ago. After finally feeling good about internship, I've returned to knowing nothing. It's pretty depressing.

Anyway, along with buying a ton of incredibly expensive and heavy books, as well as even more expensive lenses, my attending recommended I get loupes so I can "learn how to operate correctly from the beginning."

I'm not entirely averse, as it seems I may have to get them eventually anyhow. It might be good to learn to use them and see the anatomy clearly from the get go. But I wanted opinions from the peanut gallery and any recommendations for brand names, magnification, style, etc. Thanks in advance and good luck to all you new interns, and residents.

Loupes can get expensive in a hurry, particularly if you buy from the well-known manufacturers. At the same time, you may be over-spending to buy a high-end set at the beginning of residency without knowing what your post-residency needs for loupes will be.

I bought a set of Keeler spectacle loupes with 2.5x Galilean telescopes at the beginning of my residency. They were perfectly adequate for that period of my training. Later, during fellowship, I was provided with Designs for Vision roof prism loupes at a higher mag, which I still use (along with a couple other pairs I have bought since.) I sold the Keeler set on eBay after residency and got decent resale. There is a good market for them there. I can recommend you do the same.

Galilean optics are adequate and simple and compact. They are not as bright as roof-prism optics nor are they as expensive. If you rely on good loupe magnification for most of your surgery, a pair of roof prism loupes is the way to go, IMO.

Brands to look for are Designs for Vision, Zeiss, Heine and Keeler. There are other good but less well-known makers. All of those I named make both Galilean and roof-prism telescope loupes in a range of magnifications. I recommend you try a few on if you can first, maybe at a trade show. Occasionally a salesman will visit a residency program to show and demo his lines. Most manufacturers also offer a full-refund trial use period, which is something you should insist on before committing to buy.
 
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Part of it will depend on your residency. Where I trained, if you didn't have loupes, you got to watch in peds and plastics, rather than actually operating. I also think it's nice to have them for dealing with lid lacerations in the ER.

I agree with orbitsurgMD that going high-end if you don't know what you'll be doing long term is probably not worth it. All but one resident that I can think of where I trained got the Heine 2.3x loupes. They adjust pretty easily, they're lightweight, reasonably sturdy, and they're relatively cheap (around $300 at the time, which wasn't that long ago).

I had strongly considered getting a Designs for Vision pair (it was an option for a Christmas gift from my parents one year), but I decided that they would be wasted on me for what I wanted to do.
 
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but I decided that they would be wasted on me for what I wanted to do.

So who in your opinion should get them? Those going into peds and oculoplastics only?

I've been wondering too if I should get loupes. Very few residents in my program get them, maybe because we train with attendings who don't really use them. Our peds and oculoplastics attendings do not use loupes for their cases.
 
I bought a pair from design for vision (custom) which I now rarely use, but they were great for doing peds and plastics cases.

It maybe worthwhile for all the residents or residents in the same class to pitch in and purchase a pair of non-custom loupes since only one resident will be using them most of the time (this sill minimize cost and maximize your experience on your rotations).
 
I guess it depends on how much you think you'll use them. If you're at a program where none of the attendings use loupes (sounds odd), then you can probably get away without the expense. If your program requires them, but you don't think you'll use them after residency, you can probably get by with a "cheap" set. If you are destined for oculoplastic or peds and feel you will use loupes in practice, you may want to pony up for a nice set. Alternatively, you could still go with a "cheap" set, then upgrade once you are in practice and can more easily afford them.

I was in the middle category. Needed them, but knew I was going to do retina. I went with the Heine C series 2.3x on the frame mount. They were in the mid-300 range when I got them, but they're apparently about 100 more now. Still a good price for loupes. The mag is sufficient with good field of view. They come in a sunglasses-sized case, which makes for good portability. If you wear spectacles, there is a headband-mounted version available. I've actually held on to them, as they come in handy for odd jobs around the house!

I'd advise against the fitted loupes, unless you're sure you will use them in practice. They're expensive and can't be easily resold like the adjustable ones can.
 
So who in your opinion should get them? Those going into peds and oculoplastics only?

I think that a lot of people in peds and plastics will eventually get them anyway. I just felt that they I wouldn't get the full value out of them, and that I could put the difference to better uses.
 
hi there,

can't find out if anyone has tried the HEINE HR® Binocular Loupes (see http://www.heine.com/eng_US/PRODUCTS/PRODUCT-OVERVIEW/Binocular-Loupes/HEINE-HR-R-Binocular-Loupes). there's lots of discussion amongst the dental peeps, but what about for eye docs?

just wondering, b/c i just bought the designs for vision (nike), which fit terribly for my face and hurt my nose. i think i might just return them altogether and go for the non-customized (and cheaper!) version. anyone have any experience with the Heine loupes?

thanks!
 
hi there,

can't find out if anyone has tried the HEINE HR® Binocular Loupes (see http://www.heine.com/eng_US/PRODUCTS/PRODUCT-OVERVIEW/Binocular-Loupes/HEINE-HR-R-Binocular-Loupes). there's lots of discussion amongst the dental peeps, but what about for eye docs?

just wondering, b/c i just bought the designs for vision (nike), which fit terribly for my face and hurt my nose. i think i might just return them altogether and go for the non-customized (and cheaper!) version. anyone have any experience with the Heine loupes?

thanks!

I have a set of Heine roof prism loupes mounted to a headband with an LED spotlight system. It runs off one of their mPack LiIon batteries, the same type as they use for their indirect ophthalmoscopes. The loupes are very good.

The pair in the photo you have linked to are a Galilean design, which will be simpler, lighter and less expensive than a roof prism telescope. I believe they are removable from the frame and can be replaced by a roof prism binocular loupe telescope later on if you decide you need something brighter or with higher magnification. For residency training, they should be fine for you.

Frame loupes that fit poorly and are uncomfortable are a misery that usually does not improve. If you can return the loupes you bought, I suggest you do so and find something else to use.
 
I've got the traditional Designs for Vision loupes with the lowest mag they sell and the optics are fantastic and they are very comfortable. I'm glad I don't have to adjust the telescopes everytime I put them on since they are mounted in the lenses. 99% of attendings use these loupes at the places I've been. Resident price: ~$850.
 
It is a good idea to buy a decent pair of loupes. You will probably use them for the rest of your career, even if you are not going into peds or plastics (you never know when a lid lac is going to come when you're on call). Designs for vision's 2.5x are probably the "standard" pair and run about $850. They have great optics and can take a beating. Also, you can clean them with alcohol wipes (other brands have certain coatings on the lenses that are ruined with alcohol). I use these and like them alot. Optical instruments makes great loupes at comparable prices and have a wider and deeper field of view. I would go with either one of these and I would buy them as soon as you can afford it.
 
It appears that one of the drawbacks with the Designs for Visions' loupes is that the whole set has to be sent to Designs for Vision each time your prescription changes. This is because the loupes are mounted through the lenses. No optical other than Designs for Vision can replace the lenses and re-mount the loupes. They charge $290 + S/H for this service.

Heine's binocular loupes seem to be a bit pricier (~$1500), but these ones appear to use clip-on lenses that you could replace at your nearest optical whenever your prescription changes, which I presume would cost less than $290.

Any new comments on surgical loupes?
 
Designs for Vision are popular, but as posted above, they are cemented to the carrier lenses and are mounted through the lens. That makes changing the carrier prescription more complicated and expensive, if you require a prescription eyeglass lens. There are alternatives in several (many, really) other companies: Keeler, Surgitel, Zeiss, Heine, Sheer Vision and others. Most also make LED illumination lights that can be used with their loupes. This is not so important as a resident, but they are very useful as an attending. For residency, 2.0 -- 3.0x is probably enough magnification and will give you a generous field. Most of those in this range are Galilean designs which are simpler and less expensive than Keplerian prism telescopes, which are generally used for telescopes above 3x. I use up to 4.5x in some of my telescopes for deep orbital work and for DCRs where magnification is more important than field size.

The other factor to consider is working distance. If you do most of your cases standing, longer working distances are better and allow you to maintain a good posture (i.e. not stooping forward to be in focus) If you have longer arms or are taller, longer working distance is better (18in rather than 14 in, e.g.) Conversely, if you operate sitting or are shorter stature, a shorter working distance is better--13-15 in, e.g.) Higher mag favors longer working distance and the relatively smaller angle of view puts a larger area into the sharp focus plane the longer the working distance, where at a shorter working distance with the same mag gives you a smaller field area. So a rule of thumb is that for shorter working distances, all other things being equal, you should use a lower mag if possible.

One advantage of the tilt-up systems (Keeler and Heine make these) is that the telescope pair attaches to the frame with a uniform mount that can allow changing out the telescopes from one type/power to another, so it would be possible to have more than one set of telescopes to exchange depending on the type of case being done. It would also allow you to buy a simpler and less expensive Galilean set for residency but later buy a Keplerian set if you need something with more power or for longer working distances or when you become (more) presbyopic.

So in summary:

Shorter working distance--shorter surgeon/shorter arms/sitting cases--favors lower power
Longer working distance--taller surgeon/longer arms/standing cases--favors higher power


Even the more expensive prism surgical telescopes are relatively simple devices, compared to common consumer optics like binoculars. The focus is fixed, not variable, and despite their costs, most do not have the environmental sealing or fully multicoated optics that even mass market lower priced sport optics have. Because they have to be worn and not held, their design is a collection of compromises. High eyepoint (i.e. long eye relief) requires larger oculars. Large oculars are heavier, so less comfortable in a spectacle. Bright image requires larger prisms and objectives, meaning a bigger, heavier telescope. Smaller, lighter telescopes are easier to wear, but suffer in eye relief and brightness. Metal barrels are durable, but heavier than polymers. Hinged mounts offer flexibility, but at the loss of eye relief. Finding an instrument that fits best for you for the work you plan to do is most important. If you are lucky, you will find something that gets the most of what you need for a reasonable price.
 
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just wondering, b/c i just bought the designs for vision (nike), which fit terribly for my face and hurt my nose. i think i might just return them altogether and go for the non-customized (and cheaper!) version. anyone have any experience with the Heine loupes?

thanks!

I can't speak about the Nike frame. I have the "Yeoman" style black frame ("Buddy Holly.")
They are about as old-school as you get, but sort of classic also. One advantage is that they are all-metal, aluminum IIRC, and their weight balances well with the center of gravity closer to the face, so there is less of the weight down the nose and away from your face.
 
I met some residents who bought super cheap loupes on ebay from China. I'm talking $100 or so. They said they worked well enough. No idea if something like that is advisable or not though.
 
It is important that you have the opportunity to try out a loupe before being committed to purchase. Some companies have very nice looking mount systems and optics, but a good instrument for you requires it being able to be fitted well to you. If a telescope has relatively short eye relief, meaning that the oculars have to be very close to your eye to avoid vignetting and reduction of field size (I'm looking at you, Keeler) then you need to be sure the frame and hinge and everything else in their design can bring the telescope close enough and be comfortable during extended wearing, otherwise, look for something better.
 
It is important that you have the opportunity to try out a loupe before being committed to purchase. Some companies have very nice looking mount systems and optics, but a good instrument for you requires it being able to be fitted well to you. If a telescope has relatively short eye relief, meaning that the oculars have to be very close to your eye to avoid vignetting and reduction of field size (I'm looking at you, Keeler) then you need to be sure the frame and hinge and everything else in their design can bring the telescope close enough and be comfortable during extended wearing, otherwise, look for something better.

Thank you very much for your input, orbitsurgMD. Do you know if they come to vision research conferences like ARVO or AAO to demonstrate their products? I would love to try on a pair before I commit to buying.
 
As a resident, I bought some cheap adjustable loops off Ebay. about $200 I think. They worked well through residency. I bought Designs for Vision loops as an attending and what I use now.

Last night I had an urgent case and only had my cheap loops handy. The view was good and I didn't feel I was missing out much on the optics. The quality was certainly not as good. The flip down loops kept moving a bit, but I just need to tighten the screws.

So, no need need to invest in the expensive stuff early on.
Made that mistake in medical school I bought my BP cuff, diagnostic kit.
 
I see almost all of the larger mentioned companies at AAO. I am not sure if Surgitel and SheerVision go.
 
Anyone have any advice on choosing between Designs for Vision vs Heine...price is the same, Heine I can later re-sell since prescription will not be in the frame but on the clip on lens inside frame..DFV likely more comfotable. Any thoughts?
 
So, no need need to invest in the expensive stuff early on.
Made that mistake in medical school I bought my BP cuff, diagnostic kit.

I made the same mistake buying a bunch of useless gear early in med school. Funny considering as an intern I verified blood pressure in both arms only a handful of times. I plan to buy a 78D, 90D, 20D and use the ophthalmoscope handle for retinoscopy plus cheap loupes.
 
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