surgical procedures step-by-step?

[illegallysmooth]

Hey guys. Are there any online resources that will give me detailed step-by-step descriptions of various surgeries? The surgeons with whom I am rotating have lots of texts in their office which I can use, but I can't take them home and I don't have much free time when we are there. I don't know when they expect me to study from those books because I'm either in the hospital or seeing patients in the office. I've looked online but I'm not having much luck.

Thanks in advance!

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[Winged Scapula]

Outside of bit torrents of texts, your local medical library or You Tube videos, I might ask *why* you need to know step by step instructions? I can understand the interest but it would be unusual for us to expect that from students. The goal for students is to understand the indications for the surgery, contraindications, common complications and relevant anatomy not how to do the case.

(and have you asked about borrowing texts? I always let my students do so.)

 

[illegallysmooth]

Outside of bit torrents of texts, your local medical library or You Tube videos, I might ask *why* you need to know step by step instructions? I can understand the interest but it would be unusual for us to expect that from students. The goal for students is to understand the indications for the surgery, contraindications, common complications and relevant anatomy not how to do the case.

(and have you asked about borrowing texts? I always let my students do so.)

Well, due to factors beyond my control, I was placed with a cardiothoracic surgery group for my general surgery rotation... my first general surgery rotation. Anyway, they enjoy asking "why are we doing this right now" and questions like that. Not "why are we doing this bypass" but more specific things about the actual procedure. I would like to read through the step-by-step so I have a better handle on what's going on and why. Unfortunately, I can't borrow the texts. Thank you for your input.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Well, due to factors beyond my control, I was placed with a cardiothoracic surgery group for my general surgery rotation... my first general surgery rotation. Anyway, they enjoy asking "why are we doing this right now" and questions like that. Not "why are we doing this bypass" but more specific things about the actual procedure. I would like to read through the step-by-step so I have a better handle on what's going on and why. Unfortunately, I can't borrow the texts. Thank you for your input.

<sigh>

I understand. Many of the DO schools do not have enough clinical rotations to accomodate their students and have you do your GS core rotations with subspecialists. One of our local schools here has, in the past, had students rotate on Ortho until I complained that Orthopods are not general surgeons and that students were not getting an adequate GS experience/training/fund of knowledge for shelf exams.

Your experience also goes to show that not everyone is a good teacher. There is no reason why a student needs to know step by step details of surgical procedures IMHO although "why are we doing X now" is not an unreasonable question for the advanced student.

Have you looked for You Tube videos? I'm not sure how detailed these are but here is a link to some CTS videos from USC: http://www.cts.usc.edu/videos.html perhaps seeing them along with your readings will be helpful.

 

[viper930]

If you don't think your evals would suffer too much, I'd just punt the detailed intra-op knowledge. You'll be much better off (for shelf, usmle, and future knowledge as a physician) learning when to operate and why, when not to operate and why, and basic pre-op and post-op management.

 

[greenteam]

try zollinger's atlas for general surgery and vascular.