From what I know about the match, it seems that if a program doesn't fill, it is the program's "fault." Surely they all interview at least 2x the number of applicants as positions they have open. After weeding out the applicants who they feel are unqualified (who probably shouldn't have been interviewed anyway), they should have a long enough rank list. Otherwise they are either too picky/didn't interview enough people (rank list too short), or didn't sell the program well enough so that applicants would rank their program higher.dante201 said:Again, though - this might be a function of PD not including enough ranked candidates?
I think that is correct.Fermi said:I'm guessing this means that if an applicant goes unmatched, and one of their ranked programs goes unfilled, then by definition that applicant wasn't even on the unfilled program's rank list, correct?
But notice that they didn't put their phone # next to their unmatched prelim spots. They still haven't matched anyone now (by NRMP). I'm not sure they want prelims.hemoglobin said:I was also surprised to see that all of the 6 prelim. positions at UTSW went unfilled!!!
Hey, I did my undergrad at UVa ... plenty of daing going onirlandesa said:I'm not too surprised that Dartmouth and UVa didn't fill, both are excellent programs, but I think they suffer a bit b/c of their locations (esp. Dartmouth). Both are in beautiful areas (believe me, I would have LOVED to have gone to UVa for undergrad or med school), but these are not good places to be if you're single; esp. DHMC as there are not nearly as many grad students and a much smaller undergrad campus than UVa. As one who interviewed at Dartmouth, I really liked that the residents are academically outstanding and very outdoorsy, but the whole anti-urban attitude bumped them down my rank list (and I am not a spectacular applicant to put it mildly). Kind of wish I'd applied to UVa, have heard wonderful things about that program, just thought I didn't have a chance.. ah, cest la vie.
I agree that the PD was probably being too picky. I applied there for the prelim IM for my radiology intern year. They sent me a rejection for the prelim spot weeks before I even heard from the radiology department. If that many spots were unfilled, then it's a problem with their interview/ranking process and ego.hemoglobin said:I was also surprised to see that all of the 6 prelim. positions at UTSW went unfilled!!!
I matched there during early match but still the prelim program said they weren't interested after my PD called. And I have fairly average stats for a US senior. But from what I've gathered about their call schedule and workload I decided to pursue somewhere else anyways.vyness said:I agree that the PD was probably being too picky. I applied there for the prelim IM for my radiology intern year. They sent me a rejection for the prelim spot weeks before I even heard from the radiology department. If that many spots were unfilled, then it's a problem with their interview/ranking process and ego.
Obviously I'm biased, but I think Dallas is a great city especially with the growth going all around it. There's a new hospital opening up almost every month. UTSW is a large community program but also owns two private hospitals for private practice feel.retroviridae said:doc05 is right. Dallas is not the best city (but really not that bad), and there are downsides to the program. 1) it is a very large program (hence you don't really know everyone in the program) 2) it is solely a large community hospital with all the problems that go along with that.
But, I am still surprised ... you are right, that PD will be hating life right now. Look for more interviews there next year ... or a better sales pitch
I ranked UTSW first and I'm curious to pick your thoughts. I'm a little dismayed and wondering why the program did not fill. Ranking 5 times the available spots seems more than adequate, and certainly comparable to other places I have heard. I think it may reflect the inflexibility of the program regarding early electives and protected research. I know your biases, but I'd be willing to hear your thoughts. I appreciate a positive spin, but am nonetheless troubled to hear that the program did not fill to this extent. THis is more than just a few spots and may be a future red flag. I hope that if they ranked me at all (b/c I guess that means I'll be there) that they will address these issues and do a better job recruiting people.UTSouthwestern said:Obviously I'm biased, but I think Dallas is a great city especially with the growth going all around it. There's a new hospital opening up almost every month. UTSW is a large community program but also owns two private hospitals for private practice feel.
Part of the reason we did not match all the spots was that, yes, we didn't rank a lot of people (probably 250 out of 500 interviews), but the PD feels that there are always a lot of great students that are left to scramble after not placing in more competitive fields (Derm, Rads, etc.) and those students get the majority of the spots.
Regardless, the administration was very happy with the match and picked up some of those nonmatched gems they were looking for.
Talk about spin city, going unmatched is never a good thing for an IM program, especially one of UTSW stature. Someone messed up. And rather than fixing the problem they say they are looking for "nonmatched gems". Trust me, if there were a ton of nonmatched gems, Mass Gen and Hopkins would be all over it. Its an oxymoron. More likely, the program is going to end up with disgruntled would-be lifestyle specialty seekers filling up those remaining spots. Anyway you look at it, its not good for that one class. It might even be better for UTSW to save those slots and just get a bigger class next year.UTSouthwestern said:Regardless, the administration was very happy with the match and picked up some of those nonmatched gems they were looking for.
Yeah, I think thats the best option.scrub monkey said:that's what ucla did a few years ago when they didn't fill.
they toughed it out (no scramblers) and just did a better job selling their program the next year, as well as changing pd's.
It was posted in another thread in this forum that UT-Southwestern actually didn't go unfilled but that those 9 spots were filled under the St. Paul name. We'll see if that's true but it's definitely possible since Southwestern this last year just bought that hospital and is starting to move its faculty and residents gradually over there.Fantasy Sports said:Yeah, I think thats the best option.
For those attending UTSW next year as a resident, would you rather:
1) Have a smaller class of people who actually want to be at UTSW doing internal medicine (the increase class size to compensate over next 1-2 years)
2) Have a normal class of people who couldnt get into derm/rads/plastics/etc.?
Id prefer #1, but that's just me.
swedcrip said:It was posted in another thread in this forum that UT-Southwestern actually didn't go unfilled but that those 9 spots were filled under the St. Paul name. We'll see if that's true but it's definitely possible since Southwestern this last year just bought that hospital and is starting to move its faculty and residents gradually over there.
I'm going to be one of the new interns at UTSW next year and I'm really pro-UTSW, but I'm not sure I see how this business with the St. Paul's residents fits in with an explanation as to why there were nine open spots in the intern class. The fact that St. Paul's just became part of the UTSW system in this case would seem to have no bearing on open slots in the new intern class, since those residents you speak of (unless I'm misunderstanding) wouldn't be starting as interns again. From what I can gather though, the 45 that did match originally to the categorical program two days ago corresponds to the 45 categoricals in the current intern class, with nine additional categorical slots that might be considered to be the St. Paul contribution to UTSW's categorical intern class size of 54. Why these slots weren't filled officially I don't know. Frankly, I don't care why as long as the people they get to fill those slots bust their asses as much as I'm willing to do mine. I doubt this all will have much effect on fellowships, if any, and I think next year's round of applicants will take this all into account and decide for themselves whether it's worth living in Dallas and working really hard in exchange for being able to say you trained at Parkland.UTSouthwestern said:Nine St. Paul residents were slated to be absorbed into the Southwestern program, but two decided not to continue with internal medicine. One transferred into the UTSW anesthesiology program and another moved to the west coast. I don't know who the latter person is, but I just met the former one who is rotating on the anesthesiology service at Parkland. Regardless, the medicine department is very happy with their match list and their fellowship placement this year for cards, GI, heme-onc, pulm-cc, and allergy/immunology is going spectacularly well as usual.
For those who think this residency is grueling, guess what: it is! You will work your butt off here, but the difference here is that the teaching is superb, the faculty non-malignant and supportive, and the case variety staggering.