Taking steroids and pharmacy

[achiral]

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Hi all. I finished my first year of pharmacy with flying colors. Starting my second one soon.

If this is not allowed on the forums, sorry and feel free to delete the thread. If I were to theoretically take steroids would it interfere with this line of work? Are pharmacists ever subject to drug tests that check for anabolics?

 

[moolman]

I haven't seen many buff pharmacists so you would stick out but isn't your penis small enough already, you really want it smaller?

 

[Ackj]

Hi all. I finished my first year of pharmacy with flying colors. Starting my second one soon.

If this is not allowed on the forums, sorry and feel free to delete the thread. If I were to theoretically take steroids would it interfere with this line of work? Are pharmacists ever subject to drug tests that check for anabolics?

Unless you're suspected of swiping some testosterone for yourself, you would probably get the standard urine drug test for narcotics, hallucinogens, etc. Not sure how often employers even do drug testing aside from the hiring one. You would probably be fine. I mean, Matt Kroc works for Wags, and he's way too huge to be natty.

That being said, it is still a controlled substance law you're breaking, so if you did get busted, you would most likely lose your license, and therefore your livelihood.

 

[achiral]

Unless you're suspected of swiping some testosterone for yourself, you would probably get the standard urine drug test for narcotics, hallucinogens, etc. Not sure how often employers even do drug testing aside from the hiring one. You would probably be fine. I mean, Matt Kroc works for Wags, and he's way too huge to be natty.

That being said, it is still a controlled substance law you're breaking, so if you did get busted, you would most likely lose your license, and therefore your livelihood.

Yeah I would never dare take something from the store I'm working at. I also never knew Kroc was a pharmacist, that's pretty cool.

So if I were to ever get caught losing my license is something that could likely happen? Suddenly this idea doesn't seem that appealing anymore. Probably will just do it while I'm still a student.

 

[BidingMyTime]

I've been drug tested for pretty much every pharmacy job I've had, certainly every one in the past 20 years. Every job has also randomly tested, which would happen on average, maybe every 5 years? I'm not sure that the general tests, test for anabolic steroids.....but it's always at least a possibility. Doctors these days, seem to be giving out testosterone to every Tom, Dick, & Harry, so why don't you just talk to your doctor about it? Get a legal prescription, and then you won't have any worries about illegal drugs. Another benefit, your doctor can also monitor you for the potential adverse side effects from testosterone.

 

[Ackj]

Yeah I would never dare take something from the store I'm working at. I also never knew Kroc was a pharmacist, that's pretty cool.

So if I were to ever get caught losing my license is something that could likely happen? Suddenly this idea doesn't seem that appealing anymore. Probably will just do it while I'm still a student.

Here's the thing, knowing what we know about drugs, there is absolutely zero chance that I would inject something I got "from some bro at the gym" or from any shady online business, or something I wasn't sure was 100% pharma grade. It's a matter of potency, purity, safety, etc. And there is also absolutely zero chance that I'm going to skim my store's inventory. Best case you get fired, worse case it's your license. Those two rules kind of make the decision for you.

If you really want to go on, find a doc who will diagnose you with Low T.

 

[achiral]

I've been drug tested for pretty much every pharmacy job I've had, certainly every one in the past 20 years. Every job has also randomly tested, which would happen on average, maybe every 5 years? I'm not sure that the general tests, test for anabolic steroids.....but it's always at least a possibility. Doctors these days, seem to be giving out testosterone to every Tom, Dick, & Harry, so why don't you just talk to your doctor about it? Get a legal prescription, and then you won't have any worries about illegal drugs. Another benefit, your doctor can also monitor you for the potential adverse side effects from testosterone.

You make a good point. But are the dosages they give out for those prescriptions near enough to cause a significant anabolic effect? I doubt any old Joe would want to get swole from the TRT he's doing.

Edit:

Here's the thing, knowing what we know about drugs, there is absolutely zero chance that I would inject something I got "from some bro at the gym" or from any shady online business, or something I wasn't sure was 100% pharma grade. It's a matter of potency, purity, safety, etc. And there is also absolutely zero chance that I'm going to skim my store's inventory. Best case you get fired, worse case it's your license. Those two rules kind of make the decision for you.

If you really want to go on, find a doc who will diagnose you with Low T.

Yeah, even the best case scenario is something I wouldn't wanna even think about. So buying from shady underground labs is out of the question. Check out what I said to the quote above this one though.

 

[Sparda29]

Just get your doctor to write a script for it. I'm sure there are plenty of these Biogenesis-type clinics around, the only reason athletes get in trouble for it is because the substances are banned by the sport even with a physician's order.

 

[Ackj]

You make a good point. But are the dosages they give out for those prescriptions near enough to cause a significant anabolic effect? I doubt any old Joe would want to get swole from the TRT he's doing.

Dose is different for sure. What you usually see on a standard TRT rx is like 100mg IM q month. Regular anabolic cycle is a higher dose and frequency, usually 2 injections per week or more. You would run out of supplies in the first day if you were doing the standard approach. Obviously the doctor would need to agree with you administering it at the higher dose, so that would be why you see one of those "specialists."

 

[joetrisman]

Dose is different for sure. What you usually see on a standard TRT rx is like 100mg IM q month. Regular anabolic cycle is a higher dose and frequency, usually 2 injections per week or more. You would run out of supplies in the first day if you were doing the standard approach. Obviously the doctor would need to agree with you administering it at the higher dose, so that would be why you see one of those "specialists."

Depends on what pharmacy/pharmacist you catch. I had guys coming in and getting the (off the top of my head) 200mg/1ml? in the 10? 20? ml bottles instead of the 1ml per their script disp quantity even though the doses could have been covered by a couple 1ml bottles IIRC. We'd put 28 days on the beyond use date. Granted you wouldn't be Mr. Olympia off 500mg/wk...

 

[achiral]

Dose is different for sure. What you usually see on a standard TRT rx is like 100mg IM q month. Regular anabolic cycle is a higher dose and frequency, usually 2 injections per week or more. You would run out of supplies in the first day if you were doing the standard approach. Obviously the doctor would need to agree with you administering it at the higher dose, so that would be why you see one of those "specialists."

Thanks for the reply. Yeah.. gonna definitely need one of those specialists. My current doctor didn't even want to check my hormone levels. Told me I was too young to be thinking of such things and that I looked fine. She knows what's going on.

Depends on what pharmacy/pharmacist you catch. I had guys coming in and getting the (off the top of my head) 200mg/1ml? in the 10? 20? ml bottles instead of the 1ml per their script disp quantity even though the doses could have been covered by a couple 1ml bottles IIRC. We'd put 28 days on the beyond use date. Granted you wouldn't be Mr. Olympia off 500mg/wk...

And that's all legal too. 😍

The Mr. Olympia thing is a given, I'm not looking to compete. Just to break the 220 lb. barrier, apparently that's around the natty limit for 6'2ish in height.

 

[Notecard]

I haven't seen many buff pharmacists so you would stick out but isn't your penis small enough already, you really want it smaller?

Only makes your testis smaller. And it's usually temporary.

To the OP: employment drug tests don't test for steroids. They only do the standard panel. You're fine.

 

[zelman]

...Probably will just do it while I'm still a student.

So that getting caught will only keep you from getting licensed in the first place, rather than losing a license? I don't see the difference.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Depends on what pharmacy/pharmacist you catch. I had guys coming in and getting the (off the top of my head) 200mg/1ml? in the 10? 20? ml bottles instead of the 1ml per their script disp quantity even though the doses could have been covered by a couple 1ml bottles IIRC. We'd put 28 days on the beyond use date. Granted you wouldn't be Mr. Olympia off 500mg/wk...

I've heard the DEA is cracking down on that.

 

[Old Timer]

There is word for people like the OP, foolish. You have several choices:

1. Obtain anabolic steroids illegally and risk your health and career.
2. Obtain anabolic steroids legally and risk your health.
3. Be satisfied with who you are and get on with your life and career.

I can't possibly understand the allure of choices 1 or 2. What could you possibly gain. The entire job of being a clinical pharmacist is assessing the risk vs the benefit of certain therapies.

I don't see the upside at all......

 

[achiral]

So that getting caught will only keep you from getting licensed in the first place, rather than losing a license? I don't see the difference.

No random drug tests while I'm going to school.

There is word for people like the OP, foolish. You have several choices:

1. Obtain anabolic steroids illegally and risk your health and career.
2. Obtain anabolic steroids legally and risk your health.
3. Be satisfied with who you are and get on with your life and career.

I can't possibly understand the allure of choices 1 or 2. What could you possibly gain. The entire job of being a clinical pharmacist is assessing the risk vs the benefit of certain therapies.

I don't see the upside at all......

Judging from your name you're right. You can't understand the allure.

 

[Old Timer]

No random drug tests while I'm going to school.



Judging from your name you're right. You can't understand the allure.

So enlighten me....

 

[Corpseman]

So enlighten me....

You're not a bro.

 

[npage148]

Bros are the the Finches of the Galapagos Islands, they find their own niche and thrive demonstrating adaptive radiation. Here we have the elusive and rare "Gym Pharmacy Bro" hybrid

 

[Ackj]

So enlighten me....

Body dysmorphia, mainly. That, and the old classic "everyone else is doing it." For those who aren't into the gym, most probably think of Mr Olympia monsters when they think of steroid users. In reality, many of guys you'd say have a good body are using. To be honest, it sucks to put in a lot of time and effort into workouts and dieting and not get the same awesome results as guys with a little chemical help.

 

[zelman]

Body dysmorphia, mainly. That, and the old classic "everyone else is doing it." For those who aren't into the gym, most probably think of Mr Olympia monsters when they think of steroid users. In reality, many of guys you'd say have a good body are using. To be honest, it sucks to put in a lot of time and effort into workouts and dieting and not get the same awesome results as guys with a little chemical help.

Same for studying and Adderall. Doesn't suck enough for me to think it's warranted if you're passing.

 

[Old Timer]

Body dysmorphia, mainly. That, and the old classic "everyone else is doing it." For those who aren't into the gym, most probably think of Mr Olympia monsters when they think of steroid users. In reality, many of guys you'd say have a good body are using. To be honest, it sucks to put in a lot of time and effort into workouts and dieting and not get the same awesome results as guys with a little chemical help.

So, what you are saying is these guys will consume controlled drugs in a manner inconsistent with their indications, risk their health and their license in order to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I still don't get it. You work out to get healthy. Looking good is a beneficial side effect. To each their own. But in my mind that's not a risk worth taking and being old has nothing to do with it.

 

[Jibby321]

You're not a bro.

Lolololol. +1

 

[knight on horse]

Testosterone results in a godlike euphoria. Luckily, I have naturally plenty.

But we all get old.. Father Time is undefeated

 

[Ackj]

So, what you are saying is these guys will consume controlled drugs in a manner inconsistent with their indications, risk their health and their license in order to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I still don't get it. You work out to get healthy. Looking good is a beneficial side effect. To each their own. But in my mind that's not a risk worth taking and being old has nothing to do with it.

A Schwarzenegger look would require a lot more drugs than just testosterone, though. That comes down to hormones meant for bulking up cattle, growth hormone, insulin, etc. I completely agree that that kind of stuff is terribly risky to your health. But now look at any Calvin Klein model. They aren't huge and grotesquely muscular as they aren't using a 10 drug cocktail, but they are definitely using.

I think a large amount of it is a sort of primitive instinct to want to be the alpha male - biggest, strongest, fastest, etc. It's simply not going to happen with just "hard work and dedication" because everyone has that. It's only going to happen with hard work, dedication, and extra testosterone. I think age does have a factor, because at a certain point you are settled down with a family and no longer are butting heads with the young bucks, and it won't matter to you anymore. I know you'll say that that's no real way to find your mate, because there's got to be more to it than physical attraction, and I agree with you 100% on that. You don't have to look the best or be the most muscular, but undoubtedly looks are still on the list.

Now, if you feel so strongly that administering testosterone is unhealthy, how do you feel about dispensing it? I'm sure you have at least a few patients using it, even if it's just the patches or gels. There are health tradeoffs in just about every action we take, it all just depends on what the person wants. Effexor is going to raise your BP, but if it makes you feel better, it's potentially worth it, right? I would say there's a large QoL benefit to TRT.

 

[PharmEcon]

But now look at any Calvin Klein model. They aren't huge and grotesquely muscular as they aren't using a 10 drug cocktail, but they are definitely using.

What are you basing this conclusion on? Everyone who is "big" compared to the average person is not using.

 

[wucool33]

I wish more people that actually work out would comment in this thread... From reading all the replies, I can tell none of you do. Wtf OP? You are 6'2 and you only want to get to 220... Why the f would you need steroid for that? How about just eat health and work hard? Too much for you?

 

[achiral]

I still don't get it. You work out to get healthy. Looking good is a beneficial side effect. To each their own. But in my mind that's not a risk worth taking and being old has nothing to do with it.

Aaand here's where we're different. I workout to look good. Health is a side effect that comes along with it.

A Schwarzenegger look would require a lot more drugs than just testosterone, though. That comes down to hormones meant for bulking up cattle, growth hormone, insulin, etc. I completely agree that that kind of stuff is terribly risky to your health. But now look at any Calvin Klein model. They aren't huge and grotesquely muscular as they aren't using a 10 drug cocktail, but they are definitely using.

I think a large amount of it is a sort of primitive instinct to want to be the alpha male - biggest, strongest, fastest, etc. It's simply not going to happen with just "hard work and dedication" because everyone has that. It's only going to happen with hard work, dedication, and extra testosterone. I think age does have a factor, because at a certain point you are settled down with a family and no longer are butting heads with the young bucks, and it won't matter to you anymore. I know you'll say that that's no real way to find your mate, because there's got to be more to it than physical attraction, and I agree with you 100% on that. You don't have to look the best or be the most muscular, but undoubtedly looks are still on the list.

Now, if you feel so strongly that administering testosterone is unhealthy, how do you feel about dispensing it? I'm sure you have at least a few patients using it, even if it's just the patches or gels. There are health tradeoffs in just about every action we take, it all just depends on what the person wants. Effexor is going to raise your BP, but if it makes you feel better, it's potentially worth it, right? I would say there's a large QoL benefit to TRT.

Listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about. Almost all of the people you see in muscle mags use some type of drug. Test, clen etc. The bigger guys who want to go pro even use stuff like trenbolone acetate which was made just for cattle. Insulin, HGH after that.

Someone who is huge and lean year round is on something. You're delusional if you think you can be some mass monster just with hard work and dedication. At that point it's not about your health, it's about how big you can get and how far you can push it.

I wish more people that actually work out would comment in this thread... From reading all the replies, I can tell none of you do. Wtf OP? You are 6'2 and you only want to get to 220... Why the f would you need steroid for that? How about just eat health and work hard? Too much for you?

6'2" 220 shredded is easy to maintain year round? I'm talking 6-8% bf. No way, you're kidding yourself if you think that's possible without some assistance.

Going any higher would require me to take harsher stuff, and I don't think I'd want to deal with those side effects..

 

[Old Timer]

A Schwarzenegger look would require a lot more drugs than just testosterone, though. That comes down to hormones meant for bulking up cattle, growth hormone, insulin, etc. I completely agree that that kind of stuff is terribly risky to your health. But now look at any Calvin Klein model. They aren't huge and grotesquely muscular as they aren't using a 10 drug cocktail, but they are definitely using.

So what does that prove? How many people are professional models?

I think a large amount of it is a sort of primitive instinct to want to be the alpha male - biggest, strongest, fastest, etc. It's simply not going to happen with just "hard work and dedication" because everyone has that. It's only going to happen with hard work, dedication, and extra testosterone. I think age does have a factor, because at a certain point you are settled down with a family and no longer are butting heads with the young bucks, and it won't matter to you anymore. I know you'll say that that's no real way to find your mate, because there's got to be more to it than physical attraction, and I agree with you 100% on that. You don't have to look the best or be the most muscular, but undoubtedly looks are still on the list.

So this is about getting the girls? You have to keep the girl then and do this forever. I'm not a gym rat and I got a very good looking woman. I clearly married up in the looks dept. I think most women are not interested in muscle bound freaks,

Now, if you feel so strongly that administering testosterone is unhealthy, how do you feel about dispensing it? I'm sure you have at least a few patients using it, even if it's just the patches or gels. There are health tradeoffs in just about every action we take, it all just depends on what the person wants. Effexor is going to raise your BP, but if it makes you feel better, it's potentially worth it, right? I would say there's a large QoL benefit to TRT.

I have no patients on anabolic steroids for body image. Most of the guys using Androgel are all older. There is a clear difference between a 55 y/o using Androgel and 22 y/o using depo testosterone.

Clearly there are some young men with real problems with their body image and that is sad. To risk your health to present a false image of who you are to get a mate you could probably get by being a decent guy is really foolish, IMHO,,,,,

 

[pharmd201389]

I would do steroids 100% if it wasn't for the following which are guaranteed to happen:

1. Total hair loss
2. Loss of libido/probable shrinkage of manhood

#1 will probably happen by itself within the next 20 years. #2 I'm not ready to give up on yet.

It's funny, most people want to do steroids so they can get big and get girls. But #'s 1 and 2 COMBINED (not by itself) will totally destroy your chances with anyone. Plus, everyone will know you did something, so you won't even get props from anyone.

 

[wucool33]

I guess it depends on how much you weigh right now. If you are currently built like a stick... then yes, you might need some assistance.

 

[type b pharmD]

In my experience, juicers who are not pro lifters or bodybuilders are doing it to compensate for not being as attractive or good with women as they'd like.

To the op: There are other ways to build confidence and to be attractive. I don't think steroid use is going to get you kicked out of pharmacy. . But you are doing yourself a major disservice by believing you need to rely on exogenous substances to be who you want to be. Also there is the issue of burnout and dependence. . I've seen really smart lifters manage their regimens carefully and avoid suppressing their hpa and endogenous T production but they are still very psychologically dependent.. when they stop.. how are they going to be able to believe in themselves?

 

[Sparda29]

OP, have you looked into Crossfit? Very intense workouts with very good results. Each time you do a workout, you write down how long it took you to complete the workout or how many rounds you were able to complete in a certain amount of time, or what was the max weight you were able to lift in a specific motion and you keep trying to get better at it.

Like we did a workout back in April for 21-15-9 Thrusters (front squat into a push press) and Pullups. Meaning you do a round of 21 Thrusters and 21 pullups, then 15 thrusters and 15 pullups, then 9 thrusters and 9 pullups. We call the workout Fran. Back in April, it took me like 24 minutes to complete, now it takes me a little under 15 minutes.

It doesn't make you look massive, but it'll make you look really muscular and fit. Also, look into a drink powder called Russian Bear 5000, mix it with whole milk, and you've got yourself a 5000 calorie drink to help you gain weight.

 

[type b pharmD]

Also never do a workout without quadriceps sets. Keep at it every day. Quads stimulate gh and t release exponentially more than any other muscle group. Although I assume you know this already if you are contemplating steroids.. I would hope you already have learned everything there is to know about exercise physiology. ... if you haven't.. best read up! There's much more gain to be had from maximizing your body's natural processes.

Also 4 pieces of advice from someone who knows (I gained about 45 pounds of muscle over 16 months when I set my mind to it... I'm talking 2 hr sessions x5 per week.. granted I was skin and bones prior to that)

1. Get your diet right.. it counts for way more than most people think.. Although it is hard work.

2. VAST majority of women I've talked to prefer more wiry/fit guys than Abercrombie type overly muscular guys. Lean and trim puts out the image of energetic, driven, wild... much more so than a heavily overly muscled image which just conveys meathead/bro/overreliance on strength. .. look up the psych studies if you don't believe me.

3. Don't obsess over bulking/trimming cycling.. you will mess with your mind... like others have said re crossfit.. do intense cardio on every workout and do plain cardio days on your non lift days. Your diet and mind will thank you. You don't have to worry about diet as much when you are burning an extra 2k calories per week.

4. Power walking. .. I know it sounds crazy but it worked for me to maintain fat % .. I'm talking 1+ hour sessions if you can fit it in.. think.. would you rather burn glycogen reserves that would otherwise enable you to lift more intensely. . Or would you rather burn pure free fatty acids.. it is a no brainer. The evidence backs me up on this too... walking gives just as much benefit as running.. except it helps you keep your diet stable. Unlike more intensive cardio. Also it helps destress ... and the knowledge that you are burning mostly fatty acids is empowering and will show results.

Hth.. I used to be obsessed with lifting.. I gained a lot of baseline muscle.. now I just try to maintain a normal-person athletic physique and really it is not much work.. testosterone. . Cycling.. that **** will take over your life and mindstate very quickly and it leads to a darker place

 

[spacecowgirl]

Testosterone results in a godlike euphoria.

And acne. And moobies and male pattern baldness. Hawt.

 

[knight on horse]

And acne. And moobies and male pattern baldness. Hawt.

Don't hate; I look great

 

[boriqua]

I often frequent the gym after work, I work Monday-Friday from 9-7. get home at 8p.m. and workout until 9:30. Have been working out since I got employed in march and could actually afford a membership at retrofitness lol.
my workout routine is
Monday- Triceps/chest for 1 hour, 30 minutes on the punching bag
Tuesday- biceps/back 1 hour, 30 minutes cardio
Wednesday- shoulders/traps 1 hour, 30 minutes punching bag
Thursday- legs
Friday-straight cardio/punching bag 1.5 hours
sat/sun=rest
These are all bulking exercises btw so heavy weights, light reps. if i'm too tired from work, and skip the gym on one day, I make it up on the weekend
My upper body has become pretty massive during this bulking phase. I still need to do some more cardio to get rid of the gut I've developed doing nothing but stressing and eating in pharmacy school. gotta give it time though.
i want to add that no steroids were used in any part of this. just the workout and the straight protein and carb diet. I weigh 180 pounds so I have about 180 grams of protein per day divided into 6 meals and about 250g of carbs per day.
just invest the time and the dedication. it will eventually pay off

 

[N974]

As a male who exercises and trains for various athletic challenges, my advice is go see a psychologist first.

If you are in Pharmacy, which is the pinnacle of above board drug control, and you are even contemplating breaking the law, let alone breaking the law with drugs, you need a mental makeover, not a physical one.

I'm almost 40, been around the girl block, trust me on this, you do NOT want to date women who are attracted to the meat head look.

If you go ahead with this, and when you reach my old age, your life will probably be controlled chaos. This is a poor decision, and this poor decision making process will continue to affect you the rest of your life.....unless you stop it now.

Here is a quote from a movie that applies here....bonus points if you know the movie:

"Now I have come to the cross-roads in my life. I always knew what the right path was. Without exception, I knew, but I never took it. You know why? It was too......damn..... hard."

Just take the right freaking path.

On another point I have been on interview committees and if someone came in bulked out I wouldn't hire them. Why? Massive bulk (drug induced or not) is a tracer (not a guarantee, but an indicator) for low self esteem. Low self esteem causes lots of problems in the workplace and home life which in turn affects the workplace.

 

[Jibby321]

As a male who exercises and trains for various athletic challenges, my advice is go see a psychologist first.

If you are in Pharmacy, which is the pinnacle of above board drug control, and you are even contemplating breaking the law, let alone breaking the law with drugs, you need a mental makeover, not a physical one.

I'm almost 40, been around the girl block, trust me on this, you do NOT want to date women who are attracted to the meat head look.

If you go ahead with this, and when you reach my old age, your life will probably be controlled chaos. This is a poor decision, and this poor decision making process will continue to affect you the rest of your life.....unless you stop it now.

Here is a quote from a movie that applies here....bonus points if you know the movie:

"Now I have come to the cross-roads in my life. I always knew what the right path was. Without exception, I knew, but I never took it. You know why? It was too......damn..... hard."

Just take the right freaking path.

On another point I have been on interview committees and if someone came in bulked out I wouldn't hire them. Why? Massive bulk (drug induced or not) is a tracer (not a guarantee, but an indicator) for low self esteem. Low self esteem causes lots of problems in the workplace and home life which in turn affects the workplace.

Um is the movie pain & gain?

 

[boriqua]

I think the indication that anything anybody does to try to look good or any flashy thing that someone buys is an indicator of low self esteem is pure haterade. If we follow that logic, we might as well say:
all women who wear make up have low self esteem
all women who do any type of cardio to try to lose belly fat have low self esteem
all women who get plastic surgery have low self esteem
all guys who buy nice cars have low self esteem
all guys who take girls out to nice dinners have low self esteem
all guys who workout to try to look good have low self esteem
all people who dress in nice clothes have low self esteem
and the list goes on and on and on

seems like the only people with high self esteem are the 300 pound sloppy dudes walking around with a pocket full of unspent cash.

 

[achiral]

Thank you all for the replies. I can't respond to all of them but I did read them.

I would do steroids 100% if it wasn't for the following which are guaranteed to happen:

1. Total hair loss
2. Loss of libido/probable shrinkage of manhood

#1 will probably happen by itself within the next 20 years. #2 I'm not ready to give up on yet.

It's funny, most people want to do steroids so they can get big and get girls. But #'s 1 and 2 COMBINED (not by itself) will totally destroy your chances with anyone. Plus, everyone will know you did something, so you won't even get props from anyone.

My father has no baldness even at an old age, and there are ways to counter the balding if it does happen. And loss of libido? From what I hear, you want to do your lady 20 times a day when taking some extra test. The only shrinkage that happens is in the testes. And that goes away once you stop.

In my experience, juicers who are not pro lifters or bodybuilders are doing it to compensate for not being as attractive or good with women as they'd like.

To the op: There are other ways to build confidence and to be attractive. I don't think steroid use is going to get you kicked out of pharmacy. . But you are doing yourself a major disservice by believing you need to rely on exogenous substances to be who you want to be. Also there is the issue of burnout and dependence. . I've seen really smart lifters manage their regimens carefully and avoid suppressing their hpa and endogenous T production but they are still very psychologically dependent.. when they stop.. how are they going to be able to believe in themselves?

Who says I'm doing this just to attract girls? That's like a side bonus from all this. You think I don't know that girls like the Abercrombie look? Some nice 15" arms and visible abs with chicken legs will make almost any girl my age go crazy. Don't worry about my confidence.

OP, have you looked into Crossfit? Very intense workouts with very good results. Each time you do a workout, you write down how long it took you to complete the workout or how many rounds you were able to complete in a certain amount of time, or what was the max weight you were able to lift in a specific motion and you keep trying to get better at it.

Like we did a workout back in April for 21-15-9 Thrusters (front squat into a push press) and Pullups. Meaning you do a round of 21 Thrusters and 21 pullups, then 15 thrusters and 15 pullups, then 9 thrusters and 9 pullups. We call the workout Fran. Back in April, it took me like 24 minutes to complete, now it takes me a little under 15 minutes.

It doesn't make you look massive, but it'll make you look really muscular and fit. Also, look into a drink powder called Russian Bear 5000, mix it with whole milk, and you've got yourself a 5000 calorie drink to help you gain weight.

Yeah I've heard of it but not my cup of tea. Those kipping pull ups or whatever they're called looked a bit ridiculous lol.

I've never heard of the Russian Bear 5000 though. I try to hit 3k to 3.5k everyday but that thing sounds like it'll make my life super easy.

Also never do a workout without quadriceps sets. Keep at it every day. Quads stimulate gh and t release exponentially more than any other muscle group. Although I assume you know this already if you are contemplating steroids.. I would hope you already have learned everything there is to know about exercise physiology. ... if you haven't.. best read up! There's much more gain to be had from maximizing your body's natural processes.

Also 4 pieces of advice from someone who knows (I gained about 45 pounds of muscle over 16 months when I set my mind to it... I'm talking 2 hr sessions x5 per week.. granted I was skin and bones prior to that)

1. Get your diet right.. it counts for way more than most people think.. Although it is hard work.

2. VAST majority of women I've talked to prefer more wiry/fit guys than Abercrombie type overly muscular guys. Lean and trim puts out the image of energetic, driven, wild... much more so than a heavily overly muscled image which just conveys meathead/bro/overreliance on strength. .. look up the psych studies if you don't believe me.

3. Don't obsess over bulking/trimming cycling.. you will mess with your mind... like others have said re crossfit.. do intense cardio on every workout and do plain cardio days on your non lift days. Your diet and mind will thank you. You don't have to worry about diet as much when you are burning an extra 2k calories per week.

4. Power walking. .. I know it sounds crazy but it worked for me to maintain fat % .. I'm talking 1+ hour sessions if you can fit it in.. think.. would you rather burn glycogen reserves that would otherwise enable you to lift more intensely. . Or would you rather burn pure free fatty acids.. it is a no brainer. The evidence backs me up on this too... walking gives just as much benefit as running.. except it helps you keep your diet stable. Unlike more intensive cardio. Also it helps destress ... and the knowledge that you are burning mostly fatty acids is empowering and will show results.

Hth.. I used to be obsessed with lifting.. I gained a lot of baseline muscle.. now I just try to maintain a normal-person athletic physique and really it is not much work.. testosterone. . Cycling.. that **** will take over your life and mindstate very quickly and it leads to a darker place

Yeah I love training legs so no problem with that. My quads, traps, and shoulders are body parts where I only need to do a couple of sets and they blow up. Not sure if more AR receptors there or what.

1. Yeah, gains are made in the kitchen.
2. I know I know. I'm not going for the 300 lb. mass monster look. Here's something more up my alley: http://zyzzbodybuilding.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/1/1/7411088/2185747.jpg?1304845354

Looks big, but also aesthetic.

3. I never cut. My metabolism is through the roof at 18 yo, I have to stuff myself and eat everything in site to put on weight. Advantage is that I rarely put on fat.
4. Any studies on this? I'm willing to try it out but once school starts I doubt I can dedicate a whole hour every day just to my cardio.

As a male who exercises and trains for various athletic challenges, my advice is go see a psychologist first.

If you are in Pharmacy, which is the pinnacle of above board drug control, and you are even contemplating breaking the law, let alone breaking the law with drugs, you need a mental makeover, not a physical one.

I'm almost 40, been around the girl block, trust me on this, you do NOT want to date women who are attracted to the meat head look.

If you go ahead with this, and when you reach my old age, your life will probably be controlled chaos. This is a poor decision, and this poor decision making process will continue to affect you the rest of your life.....unless you stop it now.

Here is a quote from a movie that applies here....bonus points if you know the movie:

"Now I have come to the cross-roads in my life. I always knew what the right path was. Without exception, I knew, but I never took it. You know why? It was too......damn..... hard."

Just take the right freaking path.

On another point I have been on interview committees and if someone came in bulked out I wouldn't hire them. Why? Massive bulk (drug induced or not) is a tracer (not a guarantee, but an indicator) for low self esteem. Low self esteem causes lots of problems in the workplace and home life which in turn affects the workplace.

Was gonna reply seriously to your post until your last paragraph.

I think the indication that anything anybody does to try to look good or any flashy thing that someone buys is an indicator of low self esteem is pure haterade. If we follow that logic, we might as well say:
all women who wear make up have low self esteem
all women who do any type of cardio to try to lose belly fat have low self esteem
all women who get plastic surgery have low self esteem
all guys who buy nice cars have low self esteem
all guys who take girls out to nice dinners have low self esteem
all guys who workout to try to look good have low self esteem
all people who dress in nice clothes have low self esteem
and the list goes on and on and on

seems like the only people with high self esteem are the 300 pound sloppy dudes walking around with a pocket full of unspent cash.

You put it perfectly. Try to do anything out of the ordinary and people will say you're overcompensating for something. Let me worry about my life, and you go ahead and live yours.

 

[wucool33]

Okay... so Let's see here, you are obviously not doing this for health; now you say you are not doing this for girls and there are no problems with your self confidence, then just what the hell are you shooting yourself up for? Are you doing this just so you can stand in front of a mirror by yourself and say "dam I look good"? I mean I guess that's one way to live your life... good luck...

 

[BIOGUY2119]

As a male who exercises and trains for various athletic challenges, my advice is go see a psychologist first.

If you are in Pharmacy, which is the pinnacle of above board drug control, and you are even contemplating breaking the law, let alone breaking the law with drugs, you need a mental makeover, not a physical one.

I'm almost 40, been around the girl block, trust me on this, you do NOT want to date women who are attracted to the meat head look.

If you go ahead with this, and when you reach my old age, your life will probably be controlled chaos. This is a poor decision, and this poor decision making process will continue to affect you the rest of your life.....unless you stop it now.

Here is a quote from a movie that applies here....bonus points if you know the movie:

"Now I have come to the cross-roads in my life. I always knew what the right path was. Without exception, I knew, but I never took it. You know why? It was too......damn..... hard."

Just take the right freaking path.

On another point I have been on interview committees and if someone came in bulked out I wouldn't hire them. Why? Massive bulk (drug induced or not) is a tracer (not a guarantee, but an indicator) for low self esteem. Low self esteem causes lots of problems in the workplace and home life which in turn affects the workplace.

Wow on that last paragraph, it is scary that this poster is on an interview committee, talk about being judgmental.

 

[pharmd201389]

Thank you all for the replies. I can't respond to all of them but I did read them.



My father has no baldness even at an old age, and there are ways to counter the balding if it does happen. And loss of libido? From what I hear, you want to do your lady 20 times a day when taking some extra test. The only shrinkage that happens is in the testes. And that goes away once you stop.



Who says I'm doing this just to attract girls? That's like a side bonus from all this. You think I don't know that girls like the Abercrombie look? Some nice 15" arms and visible abs with chicken legs will make almost any girl my age go crazy. Don't worry about my confidence.



Yeah I've heard of it but not my cup of tea. Those kipping pull ups or whatever they're called looked a bit ridiculous lol.

I've never heard of the Russian Bear 5000 though. I try to hit 3k to 3.5k everyday but that thing sounds like it'll make my life super easy.



Yeah I love training legs so no problem with that. My quads, traps, and shoulders are body parts where I only need to do a couple of sets and they blow up. Not sure if more AR receptors there or what.

1. Yeah, gains are made in the kitchen.
2. I know I know. I'm not going for the 300 lb. mass monster look. Here's something more up my alley: http://zyzzbodybuilding.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/1/1/7411088/2185747.jpg?1304845354

Looks big, but also aesthetic.

3. I never cut. My metabolism is through the roof at 18 yo, I have to stuff myself and eat everything in site to put on weight. Advantage is that I rarely put on fat.
4. Any studies on this? I'm willing to try it out but once school starts I doubt I can dedicate a whole hour every day just to my cardio.



Was gonna reply seriously to your post until your last paragraph.



You put it perfectly. Try to do anything out of the ordinary and people will say you're overcompensating for something. Let me worry about my life, and you go ahead and live yours.

That's because you're not predisposed to it. My family members have lost all their hair. I haven't (YET, keeping my fingers crossed) and the reason why one loses their hair is because they are sensitive to the effects of DHT. Your dads DHT doesn't make him lose his hair. My dads DHT made him lose his hair.

If I started shooting up testosterone, id probably go bald within the year.

 

[zelman]

I think the indication that anything anybody does to try to look good or any flashy thing that someone buys is an indicator of low self esteem is pure haterade. If we follow that logic, we might as well say:

all women who wear make up have low self esteem - yes
all women who do any type of cardio to try to lose belly fat have low self esteem - if that's their goal, yes
all women who get plastic surgery have low self esteem - yes
all guys who buy nice cars have low self esteem - nice cars do more than look good. If its an uncomfortable, slow, pretty car, yes. Otherwise, not necessarily
all guys who take girls out to nice dinners have low self esteem - no. Nice dinners are nice. Better food is better
all guys who workout to try to look good have low self esteem - again, if that's their goal, yes
all people who dress in nice clothes have low self esteem - probably. They might just be clothes nerds or find them comfortable/functional
and the list goes on and on and on - no

seems like the only people with high self esteem are the 300 pound sloppy dudes walking around with a pocket full of unspent cash. - no

 

[CUninja]

Honestly, I could care less why you want to do this. It is none of my business as you are not my patient.

That being said, if caught, you face a license suspension at the very least, up to license revocation. Criminal charges range from misdemeanors to felonies.

I want to make it clear that I don't condone breaking laws, but I am just answering the question you posed and nothing more.

No, it will not interfere with your job performance. Increased aggressiveness with patients and other employees could be a possibility but probably a stretch.

Are pharmacists subjected to drug tests? Depends on where you work. Where I work we have random UAs multiple times per year. I think it is safe to say that most pharmacies are not nearly as stringent in drug testing as the military.

 

[boriqua]

all women who wear make up have low self esteem - yes

you lost all credibility just with that one. don't even need to read the rest lol.

People who claim everything other people do is compensation for low self esteem, have low self esteem - yes

 

[zelman]

you lost all credibility just with that one. don't even need to read the rest lol.

People who claim everything other people do is compensation for low self esteem, have low self esteem - yes

Why do people wear makeup? Please, educate me.

 

[boriqua]

Why do people wear makeup? Please, educate me.

Umm i'm a guy so I don't pretend to be an expert on the reasons why women wear makeup

but to say every single one of them who uses make up must have low self esteem shows that you are either an idiot or have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[N974]

I believe this is getting oversimplified. A lawyer wears a suit, not because of low self esteem, but because it is the cultural norm. Would you trust a lawyer that wears a track suit? How about one that wears a tuxedo? How about a 3 piece pin stripped suit with monogrammed cuff links, silk handkerchief, a fur coat with a silk hat?

People wear "nice" clothes, moderate amounts of makeup, perfume, etc because that is the "norm". A moderate level of fitness is also the "norm".

Just like the lawyer, people want to "trust" their pharmacist. That means looking the part. They want someone who conforms, who is safe, who follows the rules. You want your pilot wearing a mohawk, face tats and lip piercings? Overly "ripped" and tan people give off the same vibe in an interview. It DOES set off a flag, and then you dig and see some other "issues" in their resume or interview answers, not always, but on a percentage basis it is significant. Not to be an old fart, but if you don't understand this, you will after you gain a bit more life experience. This is a 100k+ year job with peoples lives (and huge $$ risk in liability) in their hands. This stuff didn't matter at your McDonalds interview, or even a teaching job, but it does matter at this level. Choose the right path.