TCSPP vs Midwestern University

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I’m really scared with what I’ve been reading about TCSPP. I’ve been accepted to TCSPP and just interviewed at Midwestern. Why is their reputation so bad? I had no idea until I saw a post on Reddit. What about Midwestern University? Are they okay or will they destroy my career too?

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Houston, we have a problem. Someone did not do their homework.

Why only a PsyD program and why only Illinois?
I’m more interested in clinical than research. Some of the PhD schools I looked into specifically said if your main goal is to be a clinician then their program wasn’t for you. And Illinois because it’s where all my family lives.
 
I’m more interested in clinical than research. Some of the PhD schools I looked into specifically said if your main goal is to be a clinician then their program wasn’t for you. And Illinois because it’s where all my family lives.

While there are some PhD programs that focus on training academics/researchers, the bulk do not. SIU Carbondale (off the top of my head) has a good balanced PhD program that costs much less than either of those programs listed.

As far as Illinois, are you willing to move for 1-3 years for internship and post-doc? You may not have to, but you may be shooting yourself in the foot doing all that work if you are not willing to go where you will get the best training in your specialty. If you are not willing to move, a masters with a license might be your best option. What do you want to do with this degree?

Start by getting a copy of the Insider's Guide to Clinical and Counseling Psychology programs. Check out Mitch's guide as well. I think there is a link in the sticky threads for students. Do some reading and consider your options before committing to a quarter million in debt.
 
I’m more interested in clinical than research. Some of the PhD schools I looked into specifically said if your main goal is to be a clinician then their program wasn’t for you. And Illinois because it’s where all my family lives.

Vast majority of PhD grads are clinicians. The Phd = research career thing is purely a myth for all but the most hardcore research universities, and even then likely only for certain labs. This is a VVVEEEEERRRRYYYY expensive lie to believe.
 
I’m more interested in clinical than research. Some of the PhD schools I looked into specifically said if your main goal is to be a clinician then their program wasn’t for you.
Yes, there’s likely a small handful of PhDs programs (and more likely, specific labs/PIs) that are extremely research heavy but most people on this board are PhDs who do non-existent to minimal research with a handful employed fully in academic settings.

Every PhD or PsyD student will do research during their program. If somebody wanted to avoid research totally and just focus on practice, a master’s degree such as LCSW, LPC, or MFT would be highly advised and a better fit than a doctorate.

Based on your signature, the parallel for the 2 schools you mentioned would be Caribbean med schools. And not the better ones of that bunch.
I’m really scared with what I’ve been reading about TCSPP. I’ve been accepted to TCSPP
If you were not geographically limited, how competitive would you be for PhD programs? Did you apply to any this cycle? A possible red flag is getting admitted to large cohort, for-profit PsyD programs while not getting interviews at PhDs in the same cycle, indicating that you’re on the lower end of competitiveness.
Are they okay or will they destroy my career too?
You’ll come out with massive amounts of debt that are not likely not sustainable for average psychologists salaries. You’ll also likely receive worse training than if you were in a small cohort PhD. And definitely less support to navigate more challenging parts of the doctorate, such as completing a dissertation and matching for internship.

But if you can finish the program and get licensed, you’ll be able to find employment. And every diploma mill program will have successful clinicians who likely would have been outstanding students anywhere and others who will likely struggle in different contexts.
 
How did OP go from applying (multiple times) to med school to now suddenly wanting a doctorate in psychology? Is this a backup career?
 
How did OP go from applying (multiple times) to med school to now suddenly wanting a doctorate in psychology? Is this a backup career?
It’s a change in career trajectory. If I got into med school, obviously I would be doing that and not looking for another option. But I’ve had time to consider my past experiences and what I’m looking for out of a career, which has lead me here.
 
Agreed with all of the above, any good Psy.D. program will look very similar to a balanced Ph.D. program. Unfortunately, the two you listed are below average at best and predatory at worst. Typically, you'll have better funding opportunities in the Ph.D. programs. Roosevelt and Wheaton are two relatively better Psy.D. programs in Illinois, but again you really should also consider looking into Ph.D. programs too. Since you're more familiar with the med school process, PhD vs PsyD is sort of like MD vs DO where your life is just going to be easier with the traditional degree (Ph.D.), and for the most part, the training experiences are very similar between the two. In general, the better Psy.D. programs will be part of a traditional university and have some sort of partial funding. Roosevelt and Wheaton come to mind as the better Psy.D. programs in Illinois. As far as good balanced Ph.D. programs in Illinois, Rosalind Franklin and Northwestern Feinberg SOM come to mind. Back when I applied, the "Insider's Guide to Graduate Programs in Clinical and Counseling Psychology" would list every program on a scale of how clinical or research-heavy it was. It would be a helpful resource to purchase in general for applications.

 
What’s considered a good PsyD school in Illinois?
Roosevelt has a fairly good reputation for PsyD program in IL.

Wheaton has good stats too. Pulled from their website “Biblically grounded foundation” if that is your thing.
 
*Sits back and watches the 1000th Ph.D. vs. Psy.D. discussion/debate/beating a dead horse*

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*Sits back and watches the 1000th Ph.D. vs. Psy.D. discussion/debate/beating a dead horse*

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I'd say SDN is pretty fair to the legitimate programs. But the Chicago School is one of the worst of the worst, objectively.
 
Wasn't there one years ago that was like "The Illinois School" that was kind of its own entity and not absolute garbage city? Then got bought out by the big box brand ones?

The Illinois School of Professional Psychology got bought out by Argosy, which became a s*!# show in 2019. School overnight basically shut down... I felt horrible for the students who had just matched for internship or had started the program, and had no clue what was to happen next.
 
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