Telemedicine out of state- need license for each state?

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I have a small private practice and two of my patients are moving out of state and asked if I did telepsychiatry to which I replied no. But then I thought about it and with Skype, I guess I could but would I need to be licensed in the states in which they live ? Both are therapy and med management patients. Thank you.
 
I have a small private practice and two of my patients are moving out of state and asked if I did telepsychiatry to which I replied no. But then I thought about it and with Skype, I guess I could but would I need to be licensed in the states in which they live ? Both are therapy and med management patients. Thank you.


Yes, you would need a license for each state that you plan on doing telemedicine in and I don't think Skype is hippa compliant. You also news to make sure your liability insurance covers telemedicine and the states that you plan in practicing in. Since you plan in doing med management.... You may also need a dea number for those states.

Honestly, for two patients I don't think it's worth it
 
Yes, you would need a license for each state that you plan on doing telemedicine in and I don't think Skype is hippa compliant. You also news to make sure your liability insurance covers telemedicine and the states that you plan in practicing in. Since you plan in doing med management.... You may also need a dea number for those states.

Honestly, for two patients I don't think it's worth it
No. For one patient I have been largely doing phone therapy gratis and may continue that until she gets a new therapist. She was so physically ill for much of the time and too sick and weak to come for appointments. If they were both in the same state I would consider it- the states are close but not close enough. Thank you
 
I think the more correct answer is that it depends on the state as this is ultimately a state regulation issue. My guess is that the state that the patient is located in would require a license to practice medicine in that state, but there may be exceptions for telemedicine and would probably worthwhile to check in order to avoid the hassle and cost of getting a license in each necessary state. In my state at least, a full medical license is required to practice telemedicine. My guess is that this is probably true for most/all states, but you never know - some might allow telemedicine practice if you have an active license in another state.
 
No. For one patient I have been largely doing phone therapy gratis and may continue that until she gets a new therapist. She was so physically ill for much of the time and too sick and weak to come for appointments. If they were both in the same state I would consider it- the states are close but not close enough. Thank you

Sorry if you don't want unsolicited advice/opinion. You should stop with the phone therapy/treatment. Phone therapy is outside the standard of care, if something bad happens with this patient you would be screwed in a lawsuit. How long does it take to find a new therapist? google search and 30 minutes?
 
Sorry if you don't want unsolicited advice/opinion. You should stop with the phone therapy/treatment. Phone therapy is outside the standard of care, if something bad happens with this patient you would be screwed in a lawsuit. How long does it take to find a new therapist? google search and 30 minutes?
???? it is not outside the standard of care at all. it is extremely common for psychiatrists/therapists to provide psychotherapy over the phone but she shouldn't do it for free. would not be screwed in a lawsuit either, its very difficult to be successfully sued as an outpatient psychiatrist and telephone therapy would not de facto be regarded as negligent.

However, you cannot provide care for patients across state lines if you're not licensed in that state. The only way you could get around this is by providing "psychoanalysis" which outside of new york state, does not require licensing. But you certainly cannot provide pharmacotherapy etc across state lines. There are some therapists who provide skype therapy OOS by saying it's "psychoanalysis." Probably a little sketch, but it's certainly done.
 
???? it is not outside the standard of care at all. it is extremely common for psychiatrists/therapists to provide psychotherapy over the phone but she shouldn't do it for free. would not be screwed in a lawsuit either, its very difficult to be successfully sued as an outpatient psychiatrist and telephone therapy would not de facto be regarded as negligent.

However, you cannot provide care for patients across state lines if you're not licensed in that state. The only way you could get around this is by providing "psychoanalysis" which outside of new york state, does not require licensing. But you certainly cannot provide pharmacotherapy etc across state lines. There are some therapists who provide skype therapy OOS by saying it's "psychoanalysis." Probably a little sketch, but it's certainly done.
It's "extremely" common for psychiatrists to do phone counseling? I wouldn't want to be the psychiatrist coordinating hospitalization of a suicidal patient from out of state.
 
I think the more correct answer is that it depends on the state as this is ultimately a state regulation issue. My guess is that the state that the patient is located in would require a license to practice medicine in that state, but there may be exceptions for telemedicine and would probably worthwhile to check in order to avoid the hassle and cost of getting a license in each necessary state. In my state at least, a full medical license is required to practice telemedicine. My guess is that this is probably true for most/all states, but you never know - some might allow telemedicine practice if you have an active license in another state.
Thanks, the one patient who I have done mostly phone therapy and med changes via phone due to her being physically ill will be ok as long as they leave her meds alone and I told her she is welcome to call "as long as it takes to find a therapist" and if that is months, years, it's fine with me. I have a very strong positive countertransference towards her and hey, I wasn't getting paid for all the phone appointments I did with her for this long........ The second patient I have only recently started seeing in the past few months and she is not stable. She was initially taking a lot of homeopathic supplements, couldn't name half of them and was on Seroquel but it caused tinnitus and weight gain and I said with all of the herbal remedies I wasn't comfortable prescribing anything other than Seroquel because that didn't seem to cause any interactions but wouldn't prescribe anything else until she stopped everything but melatonin. She did stop all the herbal supplements except melatonin (she was on over 25) but still was reluctant to try anything else and she is far from stable, so it's probably just as well that she sees someone else and for therapy I really think you lose something when it's telemedicine and not face to face. Thanks so much.
 
It's "extremely" common for psychiatrists to do phone counseling? I wouldn't want to be the psychiatrist coordinating hospitalization of a suicidal patient from out of state.
My supervisor did it on a cash basis over the phone for a few years with one patient. It would be more unofficial support, I wouldn't be charging her. My gosh I haven't charged her for practically anything in a year because she was so physically ill and did tons of phone appointments with her for therapy and med adjustments. She lives on a shoestring budget. For the appointments she has come in for I waived the copay due to economic hardship.
 
Sorry if you don't want unsolicited advice/opinion. You should stop with the phone therapy/treatment. Phone therapy is outside the standard of care, if something bad happens with this patient you would be screwed in a lawsuit. How long does it take to find a new therapist? google search and 30 minutes?
But to actually get an appointment and to find one you like.............
 
1. It's state dependent. I work in a state where I only have to have a license for where the patient is seen, and in a state where it is required to have a license in both places. Look up both states, and you'll figure it out. (Yes, I work in two states)
2. There is a modifier (GT) to be used with outpatient services given over "telephony." I feel that you may be getting advice from people that are primarily inpatient or that do not work with (or read) insurance.
3. There's a good niche out there for telepsych, if you can build it.
 
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I am not planning on doing telepsych, I am just curious about the rates/reimbursement when doing it through a company like this.

Not sure about the company, but I got to see some telepsych with one of my attendings and talk to him about reimbursement rates. He said with medicare patients (he was doing telepsych for nursing homes in rural areas) reimbursement was ~30 for a f/up patient and 50-60 for a new patient. Medicare would take $5/patient as a "communications fee" or something like that so he was basically getting $20/ f/up patient and $45ish/new patient. This was for nursing homes which had computer cameras and everything installed there so the residents could receive telepsych/medicine on a 1x/month basis, and he'd run through 20-30 patients in a morning.

Not sure if the rates would be the same for a company like that, but I can't imagine they'd be much lower than Medicare reimbursement...
 
I stay away from this grey zone for a number of reasons. Working though closure is an essential life skill. Failing to end at the appropriate time may be a missed opportunity for the patient. I try to prepare my patients at least 6 months before the end date.


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