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Hey guys,

Really thankful that I was able to get into both schools but struggling to figure out where I should go. I'm OOS for both schools. I'm finding that both schools are similar in a lot of ways. Seem to have really friendly students, great clinical experience, I'm not into research so that's a moot point for me. Any other points I should look into?

In terms of cons, Tufts has a class size that's slightly larger than Temple. Temple is located in a horrible neighborhood but I'm a guy so I don't think it would affect me AS much.

Thoughts? I would really appreciate some input! And Thank you!
 
If I were you, I would pick Tufts over Temple.
 
Is Tufts reputation on the up and up? It seems like a lot of people have a positive image of Tufts despite the cost.
 
Hey guys,

Really thankful that I was able to get into both schools but struggling to figure out where I should go. I'm OOS for both schools. I'm finding that both schools are similar in a lot of ways. Seem to have really friendly students, great clinical experience, I'm not into research so that's a moot point for me. Any other points I should look into?

In terms of cons, Tufts has a class size that's slightly larger than Temple. Temple is located in a horrible neighborhood but I'm a guy so I don't think it would affect me AS much.

Thoughts? I would really appreciate some input! And Thank you!


Ghostface... Tufts is private so despite residency your paying a boatload of $$ to go there. I would call Temple to see if they let OOS students qualify for in-state tuition if the changed their residency to Pennsylvania. I know some schools will let you do that. If you can at Temple, you will save a lot of $.
 
Tufts, unless you want to spend the difference in money buying body armor and ammunition.

Seriously though, I truly believe the clinical training at Tufts is second to none.
 
I would say that Tufts is the better school, but if the price difference is steep, I would go to Temple. Also, Philly is a lot cheaper to live in than Boston, even if not as safe.
 
Cant go wrong with either. temple's area is rly not that bad. I was terrified b4 matriculating. but now i dont even think about the safety. the school is on the main road. broad street, where the med school,pharm, and dental is located. parkig is 1-2 blocks away on the same street. only time its bad is if ur walking over 6 blocks from broad at 2am.
 
Cant go wrong with either. temple's area is rly not that bad. I was terrified b4 matriculating. but now i dont even think about the safety. the school is on the main road. broad street, where the med school,pharm, and dental is located. parkig is 1-2 blocks away on the same street. only time its bad is if ur walking over 6 blocks from broad at 2am.


Bing,

Do most people stay on campus and study late (at med school library) or do they study at home? The only reason I ask is because at the interview I remember Brian or someone saying that the area turns into a ghost town after 5pm.
 
Bing,

Do most people stay on campus and study late (at med school library) or do they study at home? The only reason I ask is because at the interview I remember Brian or someone saying that the area turns into a ghost town after 5pm.

Many students study at the med school library which is right next to one of the main parking lots that many students use. students frequently stay until 10 pm. most students dont live right near the school..but either in center city or the suburbs( manayunk and roxborough). cost of living is great around here
 
Hey guys,

Really thankful that I was able to get into both schools but struggling to figure out where I should go. I'm OOS for both schools. I'm finding that both schools are similar in a lot of ways. Seem to have really friendly students, great clinical experience, I'm not into research so that's a moot point for me. Any other points I should look into?

In terms of cons, Tufts has a class size that's slightly larger than Temple. Temple is located in a horrible neighborhood but I'm a guy so I don't think it would affect me AS much.

Thoughts? I would really appreciate some input! And Thank you!

This also depends on location. Temple is pretty expensive when your OOS so its almost the same price as Tufts. You need to get a whole pro/con list and them make a determination. Boston is nicer than Philly, but you really need a whole list to make the right choice.
 
I hear temple gives in state after a year if you prove you want to be in te state, plus Boston will be more expensive than Philly. If you have te option, I would take temple.
 
I hear temple gives in state after a year if you prove you want to be in te state, plus Boston will be more expensive than Philly. If you have te option, I would take temple.

I did NOT hear this. i hear its very difficult to get in state residency. Assume you will pay OOS all 4 years
 
I really don't think Philly is as dangerous as people say from personal experience. However, tons of my friends have been robbed at gunpoint/house robbed/car broken into. Maybe I have good luck. I can't complain about the city at all.
 
I hear temple gives in state after a year if you prove you want to be in te state, plus Boston will be more expensive than Philly. If you have te option, I would take temple.

FALSE statement. PA residency rules aren't accomodating to OOS like other states (eg Cali). You must be an established PA resident for at least 1 year prior to get in state status. Otherwise you are OOS for your tenure as a student.

Both are good schools, not sure what the price diff will be but I think it will be more or less the same. Go with your gut, but I'd take Tufts over Temple if I were in your shoes.
 
FALSE statement. PA residency rules aren't accomodating to OOS like other states (eg Cali). You must be an established PA resident for at least 1 year prior to get in state status. Otherwise you are OOS for your tenure as a student.

Both are good schools, not sure what the price diff will be but I think it will be more or less the same. Go with your gut, but I'd take Tufts over Temple if I were in your shoes.

+1 I was going to point this out, but you beat me to it.

Ghostface17,

Ok, I want to start off and admit I am doubly biased. I do think Tufts is a great choice, and, as I've said before, I did not like Philadelphia back when I lived there. I personally would not go back to Philly, but there are people that love it.

That being said, I did take a few classes at Temple while there, and I did tour the dental school. I don't believe this is a no brainer, though, as I've said with other comparisons.

I am going to list some positives and negatives and try to be as objective as possible.

For Tufts: Based on what I have seen, I believe Tufts has some of the best facilities and clinical training in the country. The five-story expansion of the school that ended in 2011 added onto an already strong facility. The faculty seems intelligent and as though they are genuinely interested in helping you to succeed. The students seem to love the school, which I feel is also important. I think having students that have a passion for the school will carry on to when they are alums, which I believe is the reason so many alums of the school come back to donate their time. I am not only going to be spending four years at the school, but the people I went to class with and learned from at the school are most likely to be my closest contacts within the profession. I feel like the great people and top facilities make Tufts one of the best schools in the country.

One downside, as I realize, is the price tag. While I believe in the school, there is a reasonable limit where I think the price is too much of a difference when comparing schools. There are some great state schools out there, and if you can get into one in state it is very understandable to go that route. Also, while I like the larger class Tufts, I can understand how some people may consider it to be a downside.

For Temple: Based on what I saw on the tour, I felt like clinical training you will get at Temple will be some of the best in the country as well. Their facilities seemed to be very nice. I didn't get to speak with any of the students, but the administrative staff I spoke with seemed helpful and friendly. I would assume that the faculty are also top notch, and will take the time to really help you to be very well prepared to be a dental professional. I think they have the benefit of being in an area where you never have a shortage or patients, and you will get many different types of them as well. It will offer incredible experience to see all these different types of cases.

One downside is the safety. The area around Temple's campus is not safe. I took classes at the school, and spent a lot of time down there. I was on the e-mail list serve and many times I received e-mails advising me to avoid streets near campus because either someone was murdered or that someone had been stabbed/mugged and the perpetrator was still on the loose. While I was fortunate to never have been, I do know friends there that have been mugged at gun point. True story. Also, while I thought Temple's facilities are very nice, I personally feel Tufts are better. It wasn't some drastic difference, which I saw at some of the schools I interviewed at or toured, but that's what I felt.

Obviously, I suggest Tufts. I do believe you will have a very difficult time qualifying for state residency, which makes the price pretty close. At the end of the day, it comes down to your gut feeling about which school you feel is the best fit for you. Anyway, it's a good problem to be in a position where you're deciding between two great schools. 👍 Best of luck.
 
+1 i was going to point this out, but you beat me to it.

Ghostface17,

ok, i want to start off and admit i am doubly biased. I do think tufts is a great choice, and, as i've said before, i did not like philadelphia back when i lived there. I personally would not go back to philly, but there are people that love it.

That being said, i did take a few classes at temple while there, and i did tour the dental school. I don't believe this is a no brainer, though, as i've said with other comparisons.

I am going to list some positives and negatives and try to be as objective as possible.

For tufts: Based on what i have seen, i believe tufts has some of the best facilities and clinical training in the country. The five-story expansion of the school that ended in 2011 added onto an already strong facility. The faculty seems intelligent and as though they are genuinely interested in helping you to succeed. The students seem to love the school, which i feel is also important. I think having students that have a passion for the school will carry on to when they are alums, which i believe is the reason so many alums of the school come back to donate their time. I am not only going to be spending four years at the school, but the people i went to class with and learned from at the school are most likely to be my closest contacts within the profession. I feel like the great people and top facilities make tufts one of the best schools in the country.

One downside, as i realize, is the price tag. While i believe in the school, there is a reasonable limit where i think the price is too much of a difference when comparing schools. There are some great state schools out there, and if you can get into one in state it is very understandable to go that route. Also, while i like the larger class tufts, i can understand how some people may consider it to be a downside.

For temple: Based on what i saw on the tour, i felt like clinical training you will get at temple will be some of the best in the country as well. Their facilities seemed to be very nice. I didn't get to speak with any of the students, but the administrative staff i spoke with seemed helpful and friendly. I would assume that the faculty are also top notch, and will take the time to really help you to be very well prepared to be a dental professional. I think they have the benefit of being in an area where you never have a shortage or patients, and you will get many different types of them as well. It will offer incredible experience to see all these different types of cases.

One downside is the safety. The area around temple's campus is not safe. I took classes at the school, and spent a lot of time down there. I was on the e-mail list serve and many times i received e-mails advising me to avoid streets near campus because either someone was murdered or that someone had been stabbed/mugged and the perpetrator was still on the loose. While i was fortunate to never have been, i do know friends there that have been mugged at gun point. True story. Also, while i thought temple's facilities are very nice, i personally feel tufts are better. It wasn't some drastic difference, which i saw at some of the schools i interviewed at or toured, but that's what i felt.

Obviously, i suggest tufts. I do believe you will have a very difficult time qualifying for state residency, which makes the price pretty close. At the end of the day, it comes down to your gut feeling about which school you feel is the best fit for you. Anyway, it's a good problem to be in a position where you're deciding between two great schools. 👍 Best of luck.
+1
 
Thanks for all the helpful advice! I think it's made me even more confused on which school to pick because both schools seem so awesome. But I'm still researching both schools and formulating a pro vs con list. Thanks again guys
 
I would go with temple. Cost of living is much cheaper. Boston is very expensive and temple have
a very strong program the clinical training you will get at Temple will be some of the best in the country. Their facilities is very nice.
 
I'm a Tufts graduate, and you really should look at the cities they're in. Both programs are clinically phenomenal, so it's no longer about the school at this point (unless the newer facilities at Tufts are that important).

Boston vs Philly are really the deciding factors, here. What's closer to home? What's cheaper? What's safer? Which one appeals more to you? Where is the weather more in your favor (not nicer... in your favor).

I'll rehash it quickly, but you can search my posts about my experiences at Tufts.
1. Clinical experience was superb for me at Tufts.
2. The faculty took me under their wings, and molded me to be (in my opinion) a great practitioner (clinically, ethically, academically).
3. I got into my specialty of choice because of the school and alumni. (not nepotism... I'm a first generation dentist, and I went to school and graduated poor. They simply mentored me).
4. The alumni have connected me with jobs my entire dental career.

Caveat, I had no choice, since Tufts and BU were my only choice. However, I'm 100% glad I didn't get into my top choice.

My only real gripe about Tufts is how expensive it is, but you got to pay to play.
 
In the past 2 months there has been at least 4 murders directly on temples campus, not exactly safe. Tufts all the way. What's your life worth? You'll get the same clinical experience at tufts.
 
Is the difference in tuition worth your life is the only question you should be asking yourself. lol jk

Honestly its a personal decision. Do you personally think its worth it to spend more for a nicer area to live and nicer facilities? Everything else is pretty similar.
 
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Is the 100K difference worth your life is the only question you should be asking yourself. lol jk

Honestly its a personal decision. Do you personally think its worth 100K for a nicer area to live and nicer facilities? Everything else is pretty similar.

irelax801, where did you get that it's a 100K difference? As the OP is OOS, and it is very difficult to establish residency in PA as a student, the costs would seem to be about the same. I'm just curious.
 
I was wrong so no point in keeping false information on SDN.
 
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Now that you point it out, I'm not positive at all. I could've sworn I saw that figure somewhere on SDN (not the best resource, I know). I thought Tufts was around 400k and Temple was around 300K. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ok, I'm just going off of the numbers from predents, which may be from a few years ago. On predents, the Temple OOS for four years tuition is said to be $172,312. Tufts tuition, as it's all obviously the same due to being private, is said to be $182,000. I have not factored in other costs. I assume it will be cheaper to live in many places in Philly than in Boston, but I liked that it didn't seem dangerous around the school at Tufts.
 
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Well I just found this link. I interviewed at Temple and I'm pretty sure I'm right about Temple's cost unless I'm going crazy. And Tufts cost is on the link provided.

http://dental.tufts.edu/1206352803734/TUSDM-Page-dental2w_1186496760474.html

So Tufts is 380Kish. I'm pretty sure Temple is 300Kish for OOS. So 80K difference =P.

http://www.temple.edu/bursar/about/tuitionrates.htm
http://www.temple.edu/dentistry/admissions/tuition.html

55K tuition for OOS + 8K instrument fee + 22K Living expense = 85K x 4 = 340K So the real difference is 40K + or - since the fees vary from year to year and I just rounded.

Helps to read the fine print and maybe you are going crazy 😉
 
I still choose temple 40k plus interest= headache.
 
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birdsflyinghigh, thanks for finding that.

irelax801, I am beginning to question your math. Ha, I didn't think it was a 100K difference.
 
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birdsflyinghigh, thanks for finding that.

irelax801, I am beginning to question your math. Ha, I didn't think it was a 100K difference.

At this point, I'm just hoping someone will jump in and tell me I'm not going crazy lol.

But with the new info, I personally would pay the extra 40K for nicer facilities and area. I remember dentalworks saying if its under 50K difference, then its worth it (I hope I'm not wrong with this memory either).
 
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I freaking knew I wasn't crazy! Bing12 has stated this 300K figure before and he goes to Temple. Also, I could've sworn I saw the same 300K figure on the power point during the interview. Ha, I'm not crazy woohoo! My credibility re-established =).

Well now which number do we believe? I mean if Temple had it in a nice little chart like Tufts does, this wouldn't be a problem lol. Well it doesn't matter to me, I'm just proud of my memory and it was killing me where I saw this 300K figure.

Ok, now I can finally go to sleep on this plane. Have a good Spring Break everyone. Below is the previous post by Bing12.

NYU:
- 400K
-Great location
-235 class size, then 100+ international students the next year
- Good clinical school

Temple:
-300K
- Not the best location
- 128 person class size(including about 9 international students)
-Great clinical school

It boils down to, are you willing to spend 100K more to live in nyc over philly(which IMO, is awesome)?
 
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I freaking knew I wasn't crazy! Bing12 has stated this 300K figure before and he goes to Temple. Also, I could've sworn I saw the same 300K figure on the power point during the interview. Ha, I'm not crazy woohoo! My credibility re-established =).

Well now which number do we believe? I mean if Temple had it in a nice little chart like Tufts does, this wouldn't be a problem lol. Well it doesn't matter to me, I'm just proud of my memory and it was killing me where I saw this 300K figure.

Ok, now I can finally go to sleep on this plane. Have a good Spring Break everyone. Below is the previous post by Bing12.

Ha, credibility definitely re-established. I may still go with the direct Temple links above for the numbers, though, over bing12. That is quite some memory for you to have found it. Enjoy spring break.
 
Personally, I would choose Tufts over Temple. But whoever said you can't wrong wasn't kidding, they are both clinically-revolved schools.
 
I freaking knew I wasn't crazy! Bing12 has stated this 300K figure before and he goes to Temple. Also, I could've sworn I saw the same 300K figure on the power point during the interview. Ha, I'm not crazy woohoo! My credibility re-established =).

Well now which number do we believe? I mean if Temple had it in a nice little chart like Tufts does, this wouldn't be a problem lol. Well it doesn't matter to me, I'm just proud of my memory and it was killing me where I saw this 300K figure.

Ok, now I can finally go to sleep on this plane. Have a good Spring Break everyone. Below is the previous post by Bing12.

If two people repost the wrong info... it still doesnt make it right LOL
 
Even as an OOS at Temple, your living expenses and tuition will still be ultimately cheaper than that of Tufts. But as far as how much you'll enjoy where you live... I think Boston has Philly beat hands down. Can't beat the plethora of bars, the social scene and intellectual environment of tons of great schools in the city... that is when you do have some time to enjoy having free time.
 
If two people repost the wrong info... it still doesnt make it right LOL


Temple would be a bit over 300K, similar to NYU's rough estimate of 400K, when it reality its a bit more. I just gave rough estimates.

Tufts = $377,598 for the 4 years

http://dental.tufts.edu/1206352803734/TUSDM-Page-dental2w_1186496760474.html

Temple = approximately 310k for the total 4 years.( although I have seen other estimates to be even lower, about 305k).
-65k ( is about what i paid this year for tuition/fees/ instrument kit) for the first year, but then every other year the instrument rental fee decreases(say 61K for the rest of the years), so the total cost for tuition/fees/instrument =248k for the 4 years. Temple's website projects the cost of living of philly to be higher than boston. I personally believe Boston's cost of living will be much higher. I know classmates that pay rent that range from $450-$1000/month(including utilities). Some live in the city, others in the suburbs.

Lets assume rent + utilities= $650/month, and you allow yourself $600/month on food/entertainment/anything else. That comes out to 15k/year for living expenses, so 60K for the entire 4 years. 60K+248= roughly 310K.

The difference of costs between both schools comes out to about 70K more for Tufts. I also believe Temple may be overestimating the cost while Tufts is underestimating its costs, so the difference may be even a bit more.

http://www.temple.edu/dentistry/admissions/tuition.html
 
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Temple would be a bit over 300K, similar to NYU's rough estimate of 400K, when it reality its a bit more. I just gave rough estimates.

Tufts = $377,598 for the 4 years

http://dental.tufts.edu/1206352803734/TUSDM-Page-dental2w_1186496760474.html

Temple = approximately 310k for the total 4 years.( although I have seen other estimates to be even lower, about 305k).
-65k ( is about what i paid this year for tuition/fees/ instrument kit) for the first year, but then every other year the instrument rental fee decreases(say 61K for the rest of the years), so the total cost for tuition/fees/instrument =248k for the 4 years. Temple's website projects the cost of living of philly to be higher than boston. I personally believe Boston's cost of living will be much higher. I know classmates that pay rent that range from $450-$1000/month(including utilities). Some live in the city, others in the suburbs.

Lets assume rent + utilities= $650/month, and you allow yourself $600/month on food/entertainment/anything else. That comes out to 15k/year for living expenses, so 60K for the entire 4 years. 60K+248= roughly 310K.

The difference of costs between both schools comes out to about 70K more for Tufts. I also believe Temple may be overestimating the cost while Tufts is underestimating its costs, so the difference may be even a bit more.

http://www.temple.edu/dentistry/admissions/tuition.html

You're underestimating Temple's cost. Somehow, Temple's numbers are about 40K more than your estimate numbers, as birdsflyinghigh pointed out. You rough estimate by trimming off what you believe is an additional $10,000 dollars?

I guess it's interesting that you say you believe Temple's numbers are not only 40K too much, but probably even more, while you also say you believe somehow Tufts' numbers are even more. Among other things, your cost of living estimates for Temple are too low by about $7,000 per year (significantly more for second and third year).

http://www.temple.edu/dentistry/admissions/tuition.html

As birdsflyinghigh showed by simply following the numbers on Temple's website, the cost difference will be around 40K.
 
Temple would be a bit over 300K, similar to NYU's rough estimate of 400K, when it reality its a bit more. I just gave rough estimates.

Tufts = $377,598 for the 4 years

http://dental.tufts.edu/1206352803734/TUSDM-Page-dental2w_1186496760474.html

Temple = approximately 310k for the total 4 years.( although I have seen other estimates to be even lower, about 305k).
-65k ( is about what i paid this year for tuition/fees/ instrument kit) for the first year, but then every other year the instrument rental fee decreases(say 61K for the rest of the years), so the total cost for tuition/fees/instrument =248k for the 4 years. Temple's website projects the cost of living of philly to be higher than boston. I personally believe Boston's cost of living will be much higher. I know classmates that pay rent that range from $450-$1000/month(including utilities). Some live in the city, others in the suburbs.

Lets assume rent + utilities= $650/month, and you allow yourself $600/month on food/entertainment/anything else. That comes out to 15k/year for living expenses, so 60K for the entire 4 years. 60K+248= roughly 310K.

The difference of costs between both schools comes out to about 70K more for Tufts. I also believe Temple may be overestimating the cost while Tufts is underestimating its costs, so the difference may be even a bit more.

http://www.temple.edu/dentistry/admissions/tuition.html

I dunno how else to say it. I used basic math. Should I repost it again? The real numbers are 340K Temple vs. 380K Tufts. The difference is +/- 40K. While Temple has an awesome clinic, I dunno if 40K is enough to live in a city like Philly with its crime and negatives vs. Boston. Tufts is a super expensive school and wouldnt be my first pick, but I'd rather go there than Temple. Bing make sure you're not using IS numbers.
 
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