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Zenge142 said:
I'm the only voice talking about Toby today and my time in limited.

No one is really going stand in the way of yeeting clem when push comes to shove.

Fine.

Ignore me and yeet clem today.

But in a couple days when we're both dead, no one will be talking about Roberto and Clem will always be on people's minds
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Not ignoring you. As I said, I’d like to look into how much of what you’re seeing could be explained by Toby following Santy’s lead.
 
Zenge142 said:
I'm the only voice talking about Toby today and my time in limited.

No one is really going stand in the way of yeeting clem when push comes to shove.

Fine.

Ignore me and yeet clem today.

But in a couple days when we're both dead, no one will be talking about Roberto and Clem will always be on people's minds
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Zenges I don’t want to hit a hammer. So while you’ve made your suspicions clear please stop trying to drag everyone onto the vote at 12 hours into the cycle
 
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fruitsalad said:
toby - buried kitz very strongly; deepwolf is possible but impractical given current gamestate
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Alright--I need to establish if toby actually buried kitz very strongly, or if it was performative. I think I got into this last night at least surrounding the EOD1 stuff, but I'll try to be more comprehensive.

I'm not gonna be able to do all this right now but these are notes for myself when I come back (or if someone want to do the work for me, that would be cool too...)
 
GoSpursGo said:
rae fits. Rae has basically just said she sucks at reading Clem, and as far as I can tell Clem hadn’t mentioned rae
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Hi hello show me the last few games where I read Clem correctly? Because I haven’t. I don’t think I ever have. And when I do vote for Clem because I can’t read him, I get told that’s an “easy” vote or sussed for it.

I need coffee and to do the dishes and then I’ll look at some things.
 
Zenge142 said:
Toby’s D2 reads of genny are nothing more than adding fuel to the fire.

Toby’s D1 reads of me are pockety and unreasonable for a player to be making in the context of someone who’s never played with me.

This is a wolf
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Also whether the reads on genny D2 are meaningful (TBH my snap judgement is that genny was in a lot of peoples' POE on D2, so I suspect this is confbias) and whether D1 Zenge approach was legit or pockety
samac said:
Okay okay okay
I also see it in the wasp progression
TWTBW -> voting her without a lot of comment on it
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samac's point about progression on Wasp is the strongest point I've seen so far in favor of Toby, I think

Time to go out to breakfast. I'll try to do some of this later.
 
_rae_ said:
Hi hello show me the last few games where I read Clem correctly? Because I haven’t. I don’t think I ever have. And when I do vote for Clem because I can’t read him, I get told that’s an “easy” vote or sussed for it.

I need coffee and to do the dishes and then I’ll look at some things.
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I'm not disputing your claim (though I think you're being too hard on yourself--you did vote for Clem D1 in the last game 😉 ), I'm just answering the question of whether you and Clem are compatible in this game.

Again, I'm also not voting for you.
 
If we're discussing possible packmates in the world of wolf!Toby I think QQ needs to stay on the board. There are basically no interactions between Toby and qq.
 
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Nice shot vig

I want to vote genny I’m still not over the Kitz town read and then sloppy shoulder reasoning and then saying it was a info test only when called out on it
 
Okay so my look at the wasp wasn't very fruitful

Interactions:
Town read kitz
Scum read Kcalb
Asked for moonstermash's read list
Tried to put a bit of sus on something samac said through talking to dubz
Town read Santy
Mentioned wanting to focus on Clem in response to zenge calling her out for not posting much (this might be distancing or could throw a wrench in the Clem thing)
Made a couple ATEs about not wanting to die or winning "most often killed during day cycle on their home site"
Scum read dubz, scum read and mentioned voting SAR, 180'd on Clem, neutral towards genny
Made a comment about distancing and how she always keeps that as a possibility
Town read kcalb at this point, town read QQ with the defense of "oh she's scary as a wolf", scum read dubz again
Got on fruit's case for waffle voting, NAI, everyone does that with fruit their first time

Nothing in wasp's interactions unpairs them from anyone. I am inclined to think dubz and wasp are not a compatible pair because I think wolf!dubz would be on her case for mentioning her so much on thread.
 
Zenge142 said:
I'm the only voice talking about Toby today and my time in limited.

No one is really going stand in the way of yeeting clem when push comes to shove.

Fine.

Ignore me and yeet clem today.

But in a couple days when we're both dead, no one will be talking about Roberto and Clem will always be on people's minds
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You're not the only one anymore. samac and fruit have picked up the mantle. You know I'll sheep you (and I think the arguments are good even if I'm not doing the work myself). This doesn't die with you.

It doesn't have to be unanimous, and there are two wolves left. You gotta let people do their own thing and come to things in their own way, especially if you think they're village. Everyone deserves to have game autonomy, even if they've been wrong before. Working together doesn't mean one person strongarming everyone else. Even if you're right.

And as someone who generally doesn't like being told what to do in these games, I think it would be better for thread health if you let people breathe. We have the rest of the day and we're halfway to hammer already. Toby isn't going to slip away without anyone noticing.
 
I need to check how compatible genny is with wasp I’m hungover and catching up but I remember her also putting wasp in the same town read as Kitz at the start of the game I need to remind myself to get the context of that cause that’s unusual for a wolf early game to put 2 partners randomly there
 
_rae_ said:
I think, given her treatment of Kitz, her interactions with Santy, and The Wasp being so "DUBZ IS SUS"


I think




Maybe this once




dubz can be in my village block

@WildZoo
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RAE WE DID IT!! :biglove:
 
And with dubz in my village block, I feel that samac and zenge being there is also likely
 
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fruitsalad said:
spurs - voted kitz late then ultimately switched to SAR; went with SAR again
samacs - voted kitz late but buried waspy early --> village
beans - buried kitz early --> village
Clems - compatibility is high with kitz and waspy
Zenges - buried waspy early --> village
WZ - i guess voted waspy early but known to deepwolf in the past, so need to look contextually which so far looks alright, so on the edge of POE
raes - i don't really have any reason to village read her + compatibility is good
queeqs - like with raes, i don't have any reason to village read her + compatibility is good
toby - buried kitz very strongly; deepwolf is possible but impractical given current gamestate
genny - compatibility is possible but waspy breaking the tie in favor of genny end of day 2 is unusual, so on edge of POE
kcalbs - buried kitz early --> village
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I think with wasp and genny both being POE the best they could do was just distance from eachother if one of them goes under

when I look through wasps posts I think the day 1 is going to be more compelling than d2 because wasp wasn’t in POE until d2
 
Town blocc: Samac, dubz, zenge

Probs town: spurs, fruit

beans: is in her own category because I want to town read her but I've also spent a lot of our games together snuggled up in her luxurious pocket

POE but not dead set for sure wolves: QQ, genny, kcalb, clem, toberto

POE is where I'll focus most of my energy today.
 
beans2020 said:
If we're discussing possible packmates in the world of wolf!Toby I think QQ needs to stay on the board. There are basically no interactions between Toby and qq.
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Here’s the question, Toby got wolfing over on AM twice. You think they wouldn’t interact with their partner?
 
GoSpursGo said:
is QQ compatible with Clem?
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I think so. The only noteworthy interaction between them is the confusion between Clem and dubz. That does give me pause bc I don't think a packmate gets confused like that though it could be an attempt at a derp!clear
 
samac said:
Here’s the question, Toby got wolfing over on AM twice. You think they wouldn’t interact with their partner?
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That's a good question. And my answer is I'm not sure. I've never seen Toby play at all so I really can't say if he would do that or not.
 
toberto said:
I think with wasp and genny both being POE the best they could do was just distance from eachother if one of them goes under

when I look through wasps posts I think the day 1 is going to be more compelling than d2 because wasp wasn’t in POE until d2
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Okay you’re here
How do you feel about Zenges push on you?
 
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Zenge142 said:
I actually want to

yeet Toberto

Today.

@Animal Midwife @supershorty @kaydubs @DeadSantyForTheMemes

The d1 data on Toby is disturbing.

Toby was weirdly supportive of me.

Like Beans was THE MOST supportive of D1 Zenge.

And I can understand it with comments of “I’ve seen Zenge do this before as town”

Where Toby was equal to Beans, the single greatest Zenge champion D1.

And if you accept that Kcalb’s suspicion of me is reasonable and genuine, which I do…

Then you have to flip the table and ask, why does Toby feel so pockety?
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Was I

i just remember finding it difficult to get involved in the game d1, did get a general vibe you were towny based on some post, at the time someone said you were sus so there was a conflicting feeling and I took it as an opportunity to dive into you specifically so I could actually get into this game.

I don’t know how I’m pocketing you I remember just thinking you were salty d2 too so if my posts or reads were somehow aligning with yours I wasn’t even aware
 
Zenge142 said:
I’ve thawed the reading card.

@WildZoo aka Dubz is lock town.

Any discussion of Dubz being a wolf is in opposition to the village wincon.

Enough to throw the game?

Roberto’s early D1 stance is weird and unnatural, compared to say Kcalb.

It’s almost like someone in wolf chat told Roberto to pocket me by village reading me hard.

I’m telling you the data is absurd.
Toberto was town reading me far too hard to be genuine.

Get in @samac! toberto is a monster. We need to light the fire! 🔥 🔥 🔥
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I like this game
 
I wanna also talk mechanics for a minute.

Now we know what cell we’re in I am conflicted on what the next best step is as far as our power roles so I’d like to throw them out there.

There’s a world where the vig should out themselves in case they got role cop’d.
Then the jail keeper could throw them in jail tonight. We guarantee we have that shot on deck for N4.
I think this is what should happen if we get a green check.
But, if we get a red check today jailkeep essentially becomes a seer and I don’t know that protecting the vig is the right move.
Thoughts?
 
Zenge142 said:
Toby’s D2 reads of genny are nothing more than adding fuel to the fire.

Toby’s D1 reads of me are pockety and unreasonable for a player to be making in the context of someone who’s never played with me.

This is a wolf
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I don’t even know how pocketing works or what the benefit is
 
fruitsalad said:
toby's handling of waspy is weird though

toby thinks waspy and kitz being paired is too obvious and doesn't want to believe they're paired but votes waspy anyways before santy vetoes the waspy wagon
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I’ll fully admit I voted wasp to see how people would treat the wagon and if people would jump on board or try sway votes that way, but I wasn’t convinced of it yet I was always going back to genny eventually

I hopped off it quicker when Santy veto’d it though I thought they might of had an investigation or something on them but then later realised Santy just didn’t agree with it
 
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