Ten - Game Thread

[GoSpursGo]

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okay okay okay
I'm going to review spurs

Oh boy. I hope you have some coffee

 

[samac]

Interactions around kitz when kitz was alive.

I'm probably an hour behind on thread right now, so if I missed something obvious oops.

Town lean: samac, rae, fruit
Soft town lean: Santy, toberto, kitz (why did I have toberto in my town leans?)
Neutral: moons, genny, mrsqueequeq, dubZ
Soft scum lean: SAR, The Wasp, Kcalb, beans
Scum lean: Zenge, Clem

I'm not sure how I feel about this with kitz and toby in the town leans and then wasp in the scum leans. Reads list doesn't look great tbh

Kitz and wasp are my biggest scumleans right now. But as aforementioned I'm not voting wasp today.
My neutral pool is SAR, clem, santy, squee, dubz, and genny.

Out of all those I'd prefer a kitz yeet

I’m sorry if you’ve done this already but could you explain why kitz? I generally read them as leaning towny earlier

I do appreciate that this feels somewhat natural to ask why kitz when he was village leaning kitz and not wasp.

OK how about this.



After sheeping @Santygrass 's vote on SAR, why didn't you mention a read or justification for your vote in your reads post a couple of minutes later? Now that you've had some time to think beyond just reading Santy's justification, why are you still voting for SAR over kitz, or any of the other people you seem to be scum-reading?

I do want to note would wolf spurs ask why someone is voting someone else over their wolfy partner?

unyeet sar
yeet kitz
@Animal Midwife @supershorty @kaydubs

This was 7:55 you get nothing for this

I'm sorry @kitzsuna , I really tried to not sus you for once 🙁

Feels okay

Um

unyeet kitz
yeet sar

Jumps off the wolfie at the 11th hour. Eh.

Conclusion: Wowee I used to be much better at this

 

[beans2020]

Because it helps me to visualize my thoughts:
Village = rae, fruit, samac, dubz
Should be re-evaluated if POE flips village = genny, KC
POE = clem, spurs, apop/QQ

 

[beans2020]

In the order I think they should be voted out

spurs
Clem
beans
qq/apop
samac
genny
dubz
fruit
kc

Spicy. Nice
Why am I so high and genny so low?

 

[GoSpursGo]

This was 7:55 you get nothing for this

I said this later, but I was so late to the vote because I was updating the vote tally.

Not that it matters because I hopped off, so I don’t get anything anyways

 

[_rae_]

Spicy. Nice
Why am I so high and genny so low?

You scare me. I haven't successfully read you town ever. Genny is vibes.

 

[samac]

This is just for myself to stare at official tallies

Spoiler

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (2) - Spurs 9, Santy 9
Santy (2) - samac 10, Kcalb 5
moon (1) - fruit 5

5/17
yeet close in ~23.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (3) - Spurs 18, Santy 11, moon 10
Santy (2) - samac 22, Kcalb 5
moon (1) - fruit 5

6/17
yeet close in ~22.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (3) - Spurs 27, Santy 11, moon 10
Santy (3) - samac 28, Kcalb 7, Clem 4
moon (1) - fruit 5

7/17
yeet close in ~22 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (3) - Spurs 33, Santy 11, moon 16
Santy (3) - samac 29, Kcalb 15, Clem 4
moon (1) - fruit 5

7/17
yeet close in ~21 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (3) - moon 17, Spurs 69, Kcalb 33
Santy (2) - samac 42, Clem 7
moon (1) - fruit 25
fruit () -
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -

6/17
yeet close in ~5.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (3) - moon 17, Spurs 73, Kcalb 34
Santy (2) - samac 62, Clem 7
moon (2) - fruit 25, beans 28
fruit (1) - genny 15
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (1) - Dubz 20

9/17
yeet close in ~3.5 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (2) - Spurs 76, Kcalb 34
Santy (1) - Clem 9
moon (2) - fruit 25, beans 29
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (1) - Dubz 26
Dubz (1) - toberto 23
Wasp (1) - samac 75
SAR (1) - Santy 48

10/17
yeet close in ~3 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (2) - Spurs 85, Kcalb 34
Santy (1) - Clem 13
moon (3) - fruit 28, beans 30, kitz 22
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (1) - Dubz 33
Dubz (1) - toberto 25
Wasp (1) - samac 75
SAR (2) - Santy 49, moon 27

12/17
@moonstermash is in the lead!
yeet close in ~2 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (1) - Spurs 92
Santy (3) - Clem 13, SAR 21, rae 30
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 22
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (1) - Dubz 56
Dubz (1) - toberto 27
Wasp (1) - samac 75
SAR (2) - Santy 49, moon 35
kitz (2) - Kcalb 38, beans 38

13/17
@Santygrass is in the lead!
yeet close in ~1 hour

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (1) - Spurs 102
Santy (4) - Clem 13, SAR 23, rae 30, Zenge 48
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 22
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (1) - Dubz 63
Dubz (1) - toberto 27
Wasp (1) - samac 79
SAR (2) - Santy 52, moon 36
kitz (2) - Kcalb 39, beans 38

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~54 minutes

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, SAR 23, rae 33, Zenge 49
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 22
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (2) - Dubz 65, Spurs 105
Dubz (1) - toberto 31
Wasp (1) - samac 81
SAR (2) - Santy 59, moon 39
kitz (2) - Kcalb 39, beans 38

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~45 minutes

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, SAR 26, rae 33, Zenge 50
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 23
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (2) - Dubz 68, Spurs 108
Dubz (1) - toberto 33
Wasp (1) - samac 81
SAR (1) - Santy 70
kitz (3) - Kcalb 39, beans 38, moon 44

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~28 minutes

Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, rae 34, Zenge 58, kitz 26
moon () -
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (1) - Dubz 82
Dubz () -
Wasp () -
SAR (2) - Wasp 14, Spurs 119
kitz (7) - Kcalb 49, beans 38, fruit 30, Santy 102, samac 84, toberto 42, moon 54

15/17
Missing: mrsqueequeg 8, SAR 37

I greened rae, she is as clear as those dead.
There's more of the kitz wagon alive than I'd normally expect tbh. But I then remember its only d4 and Zenges drove the toby hammer in.

 

[_rae_]

I greened rae, she is as clear as those dead.

I know I'm gonna die tonight, but like, damn, being village read and not having to fight for my life is sick. I'm chillin'.

 

[samac]

I know I'm gonna die tonight, but like, damn, being village read and not having to fight for my life is sick. I'm chillin'.

I like outting my role any time I do something good. I get to boss people around.

 

[apoptosis09]

You scare me. I haven't successfully read you town ever. Genny is vibes.

Must be nice

 

[apoptosis09]

I got village read once and got n1d for it

 

[_rae_]

I like outting my role any time I do something good. I get to boss people around.

I usually wait until the last possible moment to RR because wolves keep me around because I'm so misyeetable. This may be the earliest I've ever revealed.

Must be nice

Lol it is

 

[_rae_]

Samac is ready for champs her iso is 12 pages

 

[WildZoo]

Damn I'm slacking so hard, only at 8. And it's probably 40% content.

 

[samac]

Damn I'm slacking so hard, only at 8. And it's probably 40% content.

12!

 

[GoSpursGo]

12!

Damn, only 11 for me!

I'm giving you good practice though!

Damn I'm slacking so hard, only at 8. And it's probably 40% content.

I'm almost certainly <40% content. Like there is a whole day where I was besmirching peoples' favorite champions

 

[GoSpursGo]

Must be nice

You subbed into a rough spot, friendo.

Solution: play every game from the start, hmmyes

 

[samac]

The wasp interactions look good for Spurs tbh
unless big bus plans it's solid

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not planning on giving that courtesy to visiting champions. This game is to give @samac and @Zenge142 practice, and while I'm super happy that we have visitors, I think when we start giving courtesy passes to ~a quarter of the playing field, we depart from having a real practice game.

The Wasp and mrsqueenqueg (I think, and possibly some of the other new players) are other sites' champions and/or backups

Just quoted because he knew wasp was rep

U saying Im not naturally charming?

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I wanna know more about @The Wasp and @Clem J
Hi

Me too.

Unyeet @Kcalb
Yeet @Clem J
@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

unvotes KC in relation to wanting to know more about wasp and clem

I'm probably an hour behind on thread right now, so if I missed something obvious oops.

Town lean: samac, rae, fruit
Soft town lean: Santy, toberto, kitz (why did I have toberto in my town leans?)
Neutral: moons, genny, mrsqueequeq, dubZ
Soft scum lean: SAR, The Wasp, Kcalb, beans
Scum lean: Zenge, Clem

Just having it here

genny and Wasp are also in my POE

wasp poe

fruit is the only one I would absolute lock town. I know he doesn't bus, so being on the vote before the momentum is nearly mechanically clearing.

I also had moon as lock town for some reason that I can't remember.

Santy, Kcalb, and beans are all town lean for voting patterns, though it isn't inconceivable they could bus.

toby, samac and rae I have town leans for tone.

This makes my POE Zenge, Clem, SAR, Wasp, genny, dubZ, and QQ

wasp poe

Oh @samac I flagged this one and didn't see it on your list:

One of the two reads was to say kitz was towny

Pointing this out to me about wasp when I didn't quote it is towny. Why would wolf spurs point out more things wasp did to me if I missed it?

So I'm 4 pages behind, but while I know it's self-resolving... why is @genny more sus that @SARdoghandler or @WildZoo ?

Like genny is in my POE, but between you, SAR, and dubZ I can't fathom there isn't a hit.

I went away for an hour and am still in third

I don't remember why I quoted this

Sigh.

How about yeet @The Wasp

Is sad when he does it, but votes wasp early. Long before toby does.

Yeet closes in 11 hours. Also FYI hammer is now in effect.

From a high level, I like the wagon on Wasp better than Clem

This would be a big bussy comment I don't know that I'd expect a wolf to make.

In my POE. But I sort of feel like we can gain more information about her by taking out other players.

If something weird happened I guess I could consider her today but I’m reasonably comfortable with Clem/Wasp, and at this point I think we are just regurgitating the same points from slightly different angles

people bringing up genny and saying he wants to stay in wasp/clem

Yeah that's possible. I'm trying to think through if Clem or Wasp flips village , if that would make me more or less sus of genny. Interestingly, she initially village read Wasp and Wasp is now in POE; she initially lauged at my Clem vote, and now has Clem in POE. I can pull the specific posts if you want but I think it's readily findable in her ISO

@WildZoo I think you've claimed to have a good genny read in the past (in a game you pocketed me, oops)--what say you?

Wasp is now in HER POE. Stupid editing rule.

And to expound, I didn't find a ton of independent justification for either of her changes in read, so it could be surface level follow the crowd stuff.

But if it makes sense, I also kind of expect w!genny to be clever enough to do something spicier?

Huh I missed that.

Do you really think she is more wolfy than Clem or Wasp, or are you just concerned about the general lack of resistance to the Clem/Wasp wagons?

Surprised, and changes to genny with back and forth with zenge

OK

Unyeet @The Wasp
yeet @genny
@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

I am displeased that it seems like we won't get a hammer today 🙁

Well, as long as we're not hammering, let's get messy

Unyeet @genny
Yeet @SARdoghandler
@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty




If we follow this, either SAR is going to flip wolf, or it makes Wasp/Clem look bad. I think this gives us a little more information than genny, and I find genny and SAR more or less equally wolfy

seems like he was still trying to get info on wasp

I'm sorry, you lost me.

Are you saying SAR looks wolfy because she hasn't pushed many players despite being wolf-read?

I honestly don't follow what you're saying about genny in relation to The Wasp at all.

Why would you eliminate data points?

It isn't. Wasp is ahead by 1

@Zenge142 hurry up

now this could be wolfy panic wisp wagon going to go over.

This is half baked, and I keep trying to figure out how to construct theoretical packs and can't get there. Maybe if I show what I'm thinking others can work on this more. But I think we may be getting to the point where we start thinking about potential packs rather than just isolated sus-balls, and strategically vote for someone that will help yield information even if they flip village.

How about:

Zenge/SAR
-Zenge literally never mentioned kitz until the last 15 minutes of D1, and only mentioned SAR 4 times in terms of how you couldn't possibly have a read on her based on content on D1
-counterpoint: Zenge pointed out SAR's reasoning on her Santy vote

OR

genny/Clem
-genny laughed at my Clem vote
-Clem evaded the SAR/genny question
-counterpoint: genny has Clem in POE right now

Then dubZ/Wasp/QQ, maybe rae, are probably compatible with either pack (need to verify)

This is hard, because the POE are clearly trying to distance right now. But I don't think any of the main 4 did anything unpairing from kitz

Btw you kind of skipped over the main thrust of my post—what spicy take are you looking for from v!genny in this thread state? After how d1 panned out, it has felt clear that someone in the SAR/genny/clem/wasp group was going down today. So I’m not sure what you’re looking for to convince you to change your mind.

And I agree, Zenge isn’t the vote today because self resolving self resolving self resolving, self resolving, self resolving, self resolving, self resolving self resolving. But just as a fun thought experiment, why does v!Zenge make the claim at that point? I understand why you did it when you did, you were going down if you didn’t RR. He had what, 2 votes and all day to act village-y, why paint the target on his back like that?

This is the only reason I could see him wolfing and pushing wasp, he thought wasp was a potential gonner so decided to bus. But I don't think he would that hard.

Conclusion: I feel better about spurs.
Cause I know the toby stuff is bad.

It's probably just clem.

 

[samac]

You subbed into a rough spot, friendo.

Solution: play every game from the start, hmmyes

subbing is a different kind of fun. I enjoy doing that sometimes too. 🙂

 

[fruitsalad]

beans is pure!

 

[samac]

beans is pure!

no one is yeeting beans

 

[fruitsalad]

i miss @Kcalb @genny @_rae_ @beans2020

 

[fruitsalad]

no one is yeeting beans

beans is WAY too high up in raes yeet list

In the order I think they should be voted out

spurs
Clem
beans
qq/apop
samac
genny
dubz
fruit
kc

 

[_rae_]

i miss @Kcalb @genny @_rae_ @beans2020

I’ve been here!

 

[apoptosis09]

You subbed into a rough spot, friendo.

Solution: play every game from the start, hmmyes

Please I would've been D1d 💀
At least this way i can claim i made it to d4 😎 or d5 if y'all're nice to me

 

[apoptosis09]

subbing is a different kind of fun. I enjoy doing that sometimes too. 🙂

I'm enjoying it tbh.
I can do whatever bs I want and still get a team win

 

[WildZoo]

I'm enjoying it tbh.
I can do whatever bs I want and still get a team win

This is how I've been playing since the start hmmyes

Unless we really mess this up, my win streak continues!!

 

[WildZoo]

Damn I'm slacking so hard, only at 8. And it's probably 40% content.

Why is @samac angry about my "lowposting", I'm being Champs authentic!

 

[GoSpursGo]

Cause I know the toby stuff is bad.

The only thing I'll add, is a big part of how stubborn I was about Toby is how ham-handed Zenge was about the whole thing. He was right, so he wins that argument, and I could have put my feelings aside and been a better team player. But the way he went about it made me really want to dig my feet in.

Honest truth.

 

[Clem J]

Moon's death is what bothers me the most tbh. Why wasnt Samac/Spurs/beans/fruit/Santy killed in D1. Is kind of one of.the thing that make me suspect deepwolfing but ohwell

I mean they're not a bad kill at all to be clear, I think they made sense as a n1, particularly if you're protection dodging. I just don't think they were an "oh **** we HAVE to get rid of moon" fear kill, that's all

 

[Clem J]

The only thing I'll add, is a big part of how stubborn I was about Toby is how ham-handed Zenge was about the whole thing. He was right, so he wins that argument, and I could have put my feelings aside and been a better team player. But the way he went about it made me really want to dig my feet in.

Honest truth.

Zenge is always ham fisted and he's often right

 

[WildZoo]

Best day ever!!!!

Spoiler

 

[_rae_]

Best day ever!!!!

Spoiler

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I LOVE BALUGAS

I didn’t go a ton but they were always the highlight of my Mystic trips.

 

[Clem J]

Best day ever!!!!

Spoiler

View attachment 415922

You look like you found your porpoise in life

 

[GoSpursGo]

I think I can probably lock this legacy in now. There shouldn't be any shocking revelations that come out that significantly shift things.

Mechanically clear
@_rae_ - town vig

Town lean due to voting activity - one of these players would have to be deepwolfing to flip w
@fruitsalad - never-busser, would not have bussed kitz, essentially town lock for me
@samac - strong bury of Wasp on D1, then switched to kitz.
@beans2020 - strong bury of kitz on D1. Literal last on Toby, but D1 kitz activity is enough for me to block, and especially this post on D1 casting sus on two packmates (kitz and Wasp).
@Kcalb - strong bury of kitz. Also, was pretty sus throughout of Wasp in a way that makes a pairing unlikely (see for example here , here, and here ). That said, if there's a deepwolf, this is my pick for the reasons I explained here.

Town lean due to soft voting/tone
@WildZoo - third to vote toby behind Zenge and fruit. early vote on Wasp D2, also hopped on kitz wagon pretty quickly, but didn't end up there for either vote. Wasp and toby were scum reading. If the number of wolves left wasn't so low and the number of town clear people wasn't so high, I'd probably just give her a clear at this point.

POE
@genny - strongly pushing Wasp as the counter to her own wagon on D2, and Wasp was pushing her as well. Wasp and Toby both voted for her on D2. One of the last on the toby wagon. There is a world where this pack has been trying very hard to actively push each other pretty hard, but having two packmates voting on the third would be a lot. Then again, I also thought toby making such a strong case against kitz was unlikely, so it could be that this is just this pack's strategy.
@apoptosis09 (aka QQ) - if Clem isn't it, this is where I'd look next

Likely wolf
@Clem J

In summary: Clem>apop>genny>KC. Given that we don't know KC's playstyle, I think if we have a deepwolf that's where I would look.

Oh and @_rae_ --don't shoot me 😉

 

[_rae_]

Oh and @_rae_ --don't shoot me 😉

Sounds good, will do!

 

[_rae_]

I’d love to hear yeet and shot opinions from
@WildZoo @beans2020 @fruitsalad and @genny

 

[GoSpursGo]

Unofficial Day 4 Yeet Tally
Clem (3) - Spurs 28, fruit 15, beans 8
apop () -
Spurs (2) - apop 22, Clem
dubZ (1) - samac

6/10
Leading: @Clem J , barely
Missing: @genny , @_rae_ , @WildZoo , @Kcalb
yeet close in ~6.5 hours

 

[GoSpursGo]

Sounds good, will do!

Trust me, it's not as fun as it sounds if I flip town! Ask lissa 🙂

 

[WildZoo]

I’d love to hear yeet and shot opinions from
@WildZoo @beans2020 @fruitsalad and @genny

Oh I should not be allowed to have any input on vig shots given my track record

 

[_rae_]

Oh I should not be allowed to have any input on vig shots given my track record

lol fair.

As soon as I got this role I was like “I have to be really careful because I usually sus fruit at least once per game and I reference be the third mis-vig in a row on them”

 

[_rae_]

Unless it wouldn’t be a mis-vig this time………….

 

[GoSpursGo]

lol fair.

As soon as I got this role I was like “I have to be really careful because I usually sus fruit at least once per game and I reference be the third mis-vig in a row on them”

thankfully he was already clear before we even got to an even night 🙂

 

[GoSpursGo]

The only time I ever had a gun, @WildZoo took it away and gave it to Lissa, who then shot me.

 

[_rae_]

The only time I ever had a gun, @WildZoo took it away and gave it to Lissa, who then shot me.

OMG I didn't realize that's what happened 😂

 

[GoSpursGo]

OMG I didn't realize that's what happened 😂

Yeah I was a jack-of-all trades, with one of the abilities being a vig. When I was elected mayor, my ability passed to the only vanilla player on the demon team (Lissa).

 

[fruitsalad]

I’d love to hear yeet and shot opinions from
@WildZoo @beans2020 @fruitsalad and @genny

it’s a coin flip between clems and spurs

if clems is yeeted and is wolf, we win!

if clems is yeeted and is village, shoot spurs

if spurs is wolf, we win!

if spurs is village, well we’ll discuss apop and WZ

 

[fruitsalad]

i strongly disagree that genny is a viable yeet option in any world because toby and waspy attacked her with such brutality it is effectively unpairing

 

[fruitsalad]

i miss @Animal Midwife 🥺 🥹 😭

 

[GoSpursGo]

it’s a coin flip between clems and spurs

if clems is yeeted and is wolf, we win!

if clems is yeeted and is village, shoot spurs

Please don't 🙂

Like, @_rae_ I'm happy to expound if anything would change your mind, but villagers can have bad reads too. I just happen to be extra loud about them

if spurs is wolf, we win!

if spurs is village, well we’ll discuss apop and WZ

FWIW fruit, I really would go after genny and KC before dubZ, despite our shared trauma. But I hope it doesn't come to that.