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[sosoo]

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thats about all u get for all the hypes, advertisements, metrics/goals around flu shots... flu vaccine companies are laughing their way to the bank..

Health experts warn flu vaccine is only 10 percent effective

 

[zelman]

“Registered Nurse, Sandy Gibbons...said even if the vaccine doesn't completely protect you from getting the flu. you should still get it to protect yourself from some of the symptoms.”

 

[RxPreceptor]

This article is definitely written & comprehensive enough to be at a "sosoo" grade reading comprehension level

 

[PolarPop]

Here is what the real experts are saying if anyone is curious.
https://blogs.jwatch.org/hiv-id-obs...effectiveness-still-recommend-get/2017/12/03/

 

[Rouelle]

“Registered Nurse, Sandy Gibbons...said even if the vaccine doesn't completely protect you from getting the flu. you should still get it to protect yourself from some of the symptoms.”

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Seriously dude, it’s Sandy Gibbons. The Sandy Gibbons, RN. If you can’t trust Sandy Gibbons, who can you trust?

 

[Saiyo]

“Registered Nurse, Sandy Gibbons...said even if the vaccine doesn't completely protect you from getting the flu. you should still get it to protect yourself from some of the symptoms.”

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A perfect example of bs that sounds good on paper but is really nonsensical. She should be in management..

 

[sosoo]

Here is what the real experts are saying if anyone is curious.
https://blogs.jwatch.org/hiv-id-obs...effectiveness-still-recommend-get/2017/12/03/

to quote from this real expert, "..this 10% number is a disappointment."

 

[sosoo]

This article is definitely written & comprehensive enough to be at a "sosoo" grade reading comprehension level

if you're a pharmacist, you're a disappointment. just like the flu vaccine. i expect constructive criticism and discussions. not senseless arguments.

 

[PolarPop]

to quote from this real expert, "..this 10% number is a disappointment."

Why don't you comment on the rest of it? No one needs an expert to tell them 10% is a disappointment.

 

[zelman]

to quote from this real expert, "..this 10% number is a disappointment."

Do you think it would be valuable if the effectiveness was triple that?

 

[RxPreceptor]

if you're a pharmacist, you're a disappointment. just like the flu vaccine. i expect constructive criticism and discussions. not senseless arguments.

What You Should Know for the 2017-2018 Influenza Season

Here's some constructive criticism for you and your article:
Learn how to use a credible source of information and stop thinking almighty Google is your God and savior for catering arguments to validate your biases (you obviously seem disgruntled from work, stress, everyone on SDN laughing at you, etc.)

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

I found video footage of Sosoo asking @pezdispenser to disprove her assessment of that article:

 

[sosoo]

What You Should Know for the 2017-2018 Influenza Season

Here's some constructive criticism for you and your article:
Learn how to use a credible source of information and stop thinking almighty Google is your God and savior for catering arguments to validate your biases (you obviously seem disgruntled from work, stress, everyone of SDN laughing at you, etc.)

the cdc doesn't come out with the report until the season is over. it doesn't have anything there.

 

[RxPreceptor]

the cdc doesn't come out with the report until the season is over. it doesn't have anything there.

It literally has a bullet point addressing the 10% issue. I'm tired, learn to read well and keep on working on that thinking before speaking/typing problem you've got.

 

[sosoo]

It literally has a bullet point addressing the 10% issue. I'm tired, learn to read well and keep on working on that thinking before speaking/typing problem you've got.

that 10% issue was also addressed in the other links. any repetition is really unnecessary.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Just posting to enjoy the show. Sosoo needs to post his/her thoughts on all topics.

Also just to add, you can't ignore information in your own article just because it invalidates your opinion.

 

[Zynx]

that 10% issue was also addressed in the other links. any repetition is really unnecessary.

To repeat his point - "learn to use a credible source of information" - citing sources such as local news and most blogs are not direct sources and generally considered unprofessional and amateur when dealing with things such as medical information. They are quite often not objective sources. Cite reputable sources, such as the CDC (the link he posted), medical journals (JAMA, NEJM, etc), actual studies, PubMed, etc. Dig in to where the source ACTUALLY pulls their information and cite that. The link you presented, a local news network, doesn't provide a reputable source, it just says "the director of the NIH says".

For example, here is a bad source. Should I Get A Flu Shot? 5 Reasons Why Not.
While it does have citations, most are not reputable, and the article itself has an angle that it is trying to persuade you towards, nitpicking information that serves its agenda - it is not objective.

 

[sosoo]

To repeat his point - "learn to use a credible source of information" - citing sources such as local news and most blogs are not direct sources and generally considered unprofessional and amateur when dealing with things such as medical information. They are quite often not objective sources. Cite reputable sources, such as the CDC (the link he posted), medical journals (JAMA, NEJM, etc), actual studies, PubMed, etc. Dig in to where the source ACTUALLY pulls their information and cite that. The link you presented, a local news network, doesn't provide a reputable source, it just says "the director of the NIH says".

For example, here is a bad source. Should I Get A Flu Shot? 5 Reasons Why Not.
While it does have citations, most are not reputable, and the article itself has an angle that it is trying to persuade you towards, nitpicking information that serves its agenda - it is not objective.

the only problem is some of us work in community settings, and others work in a basement. in retail, what customers like to do is read the news and react to the news and come to u with questions about the news, not from the cdc or reputable source.

 

[wagrxm2000]

the only problem is some of us work in community settings, and others work in a basement. in retail, what customers like to do is read the news and react to the news and come to u with questions about the news, not from the cdc or reputable source.

So because you talk to the general public you think you should use the general publics opinions? Wow, just wow.

You respond to the questions using legitimate sources and explain it to them so they understand.

 

[owlegrad]

the only problem is some of us work in community settings, and others work in a basement. in retail, what customers like to do is read the news and react to the news and come to u with questions about the news, not from the cdc or reputable source.

So when patients ask you questions about the news instead of using reputable sources to answer those questions you what, give them answers you find on random blogs?

 

[owlegrad]

So because you talk to the general public you think you should use the general publics opinions? Wow, just wow.

You respond to the questions using legitimate sources and explain it to them so they understand.

Jinks!

Also, how did you beat me?!

 

[zelman]

So when patients ask you questions about the news instead of using reputable sources to answer those questions you what, give them answers you find on random blogs?

Not a bad idea. Counseling would be easier if I just said “I agree with Dr. Oz,” to everyone.

 

[owlegrad]

Not a bad idea. Counseling would be easier if I just said “I agree with Dr. Oz,” to everyone.

I once asked the front store manager if he could make a "Dr. Oz" endcap so I could just point to it. 😉

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

the only problem is some of us work in community settings, and others work in a basement. in retail, what customers like to do is read the news and react to the news and come to u with questions about the news, not from the cdc or reputable source.

HAHAHAH.
Oh god.
This is too much.

 

[sosoo]

if someone else was posting this ppl would be like, Oh this is what my customers are talking about. but because im posting this ppl like to twist it and go off negative. no where did i say u answer customer questions from illegit sources. im only posting this so ppl can have an open discussion. this isnt about me so stop making it about me. just share your thoughts about this topic.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Because you posted something that isn't new. There are tons of negative articles out there.

Why You Should Not Get the Flu Shot

I didn't even read this but be prepared just in case.....

Also your original post clearly shows you believe everything that nurse says.

 

[owlegrad]

Wait so you don't agree with the article and you were not defending it's use as a source?

Once again I have failed the "what does sosoo mean" game by taking your posts literally and at face value. 🙁

 

[sosoo]

Wait so you don't agree with the article and you were not defending it's use as a source?

Once again I have failed the "what does sosoo mean" game by taking your posts literally and at face value. 🙁

i dont agree or disagree. at the end of every flu season data will come out to report the vaccine's effectiveness. i mentioned that the cdc doesn't report it until the flu season is over.

 

[owlegrad]

i dont agree or disagree. at the end of every flu season data will come out to report the vaccine's effectiveness. i mentioned that the cdc doesn't report it until the flu season is over.

Really? Can you see how the statement "thats about all u get for all the hypes, advertisements, metrics/goals around flu shots... flu vaccine companies are laughing their way to the bank.." might lead us to believe that you do, in fact, agree?

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

Really? Can you see how the statement "thats about all u get for all the hypes, advertisements, metrics/goals around flu shots... flu vaccine companies are laughing their way to the bank.." might lead us to believe that you do, in fact, agree?

Can we petition Lee to change Sosoo's name to "Schrodinger's Point"?

You never know what their point actually is until they start defending it

 

[CynicalIntern]

Can we petition Lee to change Sosoo's name to "Schrodinger's Point"?

You never know what their point actually is until they start defending it

You had an opportunity to use Sosooedinger's Point and you really just dropped the ball.

Not the literal ball, of course. But your ball holding skills get an F.

 

[owlegrad]

I thought the point of Schrodinger's Point was that it is possible to believe both points simultaneously as long as you never examine the point?

edit: Admittedly Schrodinger's has always been a little over my head.

 

[Corpseman]

But what generic flu shot are you using?

 

[CynicalIntern]

But what generic flu shot are you using?

The one from 2015. Sosoo has been drawing it out and putting it in a new syringe every year to preserve it.

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

This thread is officially, 1 0 0 % G O L D

 

[sosoo]

The one from 2015. Sosoo has been drawing it out and putting it in a new syringe every year to preserve it.

if u know my job title u would not say something that stupid.

 

[lord999]

Summary of Recommendations

I'm actually sympathetic to the idea of not getting immunized when the recommendations are not written such that "every single US adult and child" gets the vaccine as we sometimes oversimplify. There's very severe debate in ACIP on the risk/benefit profile of a low effectiveness vaccine (it's one of the reasons why BCG is not used in the US). The influenza annual has always been one of the most contested of the vaccines, as there are unpredictable adverse effects (brain swelling) that can happen with the vaccine. For those who are in high jeopardy of exposure (us for example) or those where influenza alone has a reasonable chance of killing the patient (the very young, the very old, the already immunocompromised), even with the poor protection, it's still a reasonable utility to get the vaccine. For a low effectiveness vaccine in the general population, it's a risk measure.

The debate is whether or not you accept the Nash equilibrium assumptions. I tend to not like them as they overemphasize the personal gain of vaccination over the social benefits of having everyone vaccinated (the estimations do not work well at the extremes). The last couple of rounds have done a better job at the out of the money risk in terms of pandemics (it took H1N1 to force the matter).

I'm surprised that CVS and Walgreens don't sell to the lowest common denominator and have a "influenza death" counter for kids.

Notifiable Diseases and Mortality Tables

121 children just like yours are now dead and might have had a chance if they got the flu vaccine. For a limited time only, we offer the flu vaccine. As a concerned parent, wouldn't you want what's best for your children?

 

[zelman]

I'm surprised that CVS and Walgreens don't sell to the lowest common denominator and have a "influenza death" counter for kids.

Notifiable Diseases and Mortality Tables

121 children just like yours are now dead and might have had a chance if they got the flu vaccine. For a limited time only, we offer the flu vaccine. As a concerned parent, wouldn't you want what's best for your children?

If we could immunize all ages, they probably would.

 

[Rouelle]

if u know my job title u would not say something that stupid.

The good ole “do you know who I am?” argument...always successful

 

[owlegrad]

The good ole “do you know who I am?” argument...always successful

I presume his title is emperor of Pharmacy.

 

[BidingMyTime]

I presume his title is emperor of Pharmacy.

I assume you are right on the title, but you shouldn't assume Sosoooo's gender....Sosoooooo get's very upset when his/her/its gender is assumed.

 

[lord999]

I assume you are right on the title, but you shouldn't assume Sosoooo's gender....Sosoooooo get's very upset when his/her/its gender is assumed.

Tsk, tsk, not keeping up with the times. Haven't you known that there are more gender pronouns to account for neuter and intergender. Should we refer to sosoo as a "xie"? Maybe "hir" needs transcend the standard references, perhaps?

Pronouns | Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual Resource Center

Gender Identity Guidance

In September, in anticipation of the VA starting to pay for gender reassignment surgery, I went to this ALL-DAY training class at OPM headquarters with regards to how to address intergender, transgender, and neuter individuals without sounding like a antediluvian dick. I remember mein Deutsche enough to think of how to separate gender in terms of assignment, but it was extremely aggravating to have the OPM instructor refer to us as prejudicial as we did not "know" about the pronoun issues. What was really funny was toward the end of the training 6 hours later, she had to bring up Bradley (Chelsea) Manning as an example of a federal employee intergender. My TMA uniformed colleagues to a man, woman, and other, walked out of the training at that point saying that they would accept the writeup for failing to complete the training (I know they were not written up and were passed).

 

[moose10]

Summary of Recommendations

I'm actually sympathetic to the idea of not getting immunized when the recommendations are not written such that "every single US adult and child" gets the vaccine as we sometimes oversimplify. There's very severe debate in ACIP on the risk/benefit profile of a low effectiveness vaccine (it's one of the reasons why BCG is not used in the US). The influenza annual has always been one of the most contested of the vaccines, as there are unpredictable adverse effects (brain swelling) that can happen with the vaccine. For those who are in high jeopardy of exposure (us for example) or those where influenza alone has a reasonable chance of killing the patient (the very young, the very old, the already immunocompromised), even with the poor protection, it's still a reasonable utility to get the vaccine. For a low effectiveness vaccine in the general population, it's a risk measure.

The debate is whether or not you accept the Nash equilibrium assumptions. I tend to not like them as they overemphasize the personal gain of vaccination over the social benefits of having everyone vaccinated (the estimations do not work well at the extremes). The last couple of rounds have done a better job at the out of the money risk in terms of pandemics (it took H1N1 to force the matter).

I'm surprised that CVS and Walgreens don't sell to the lowest common denominator and have a "influenza death" counter for kids.

Notifiable Diseases and Mortality Tables

121 children just like yours are now dead and might have had a chance if they got the flu vaccine. For a limited time only, we offer the flu vaccine. As a concerned parent, wouldn't you want what's best for your children?

They do this for HPV vaccine with that sad child asking parents if they knew about the vaccine.

 

[owlegrad]

Actually the worst example of that currently is the one where the college student gets Hepatitis at a party and ends up in the ER. Total scare tactic commercial.

 

[zelman]

Actually the worst example of that currently is the one where the college student gets Hepatitis at a party and ends up in the ER. Total scare tactic commercial.

Wasn’t it meningitis?

 

[BidingMyTime]

Wasn’t it meningitis?

The one I saw like that was meningitis, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a hepatitis ad like that out there as well.

 

[owlegrad]

Wasn’t it meningitis?

You’re right, that’s the one. My bad.

 

[gwarm01]

Tsk, tsk, not keeping up with the times. Haven't you known that there are more gender pronouns to account for neuter and intergender. Should we refer to sosoo as a "xie"? Maybe "hir" needs transcend the standard references, perhaps?

Pronouns | Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual Resource Center

Gender Identity Guidance

In September, in anticipation of the VA starting to pay for gender reassignment surgery, I went to this ALL-DAY training class at OPM headquarters with regards to how to address intergender, transgender, and neuter individuals without sounding like a antediluvian dick. I remember mein Deutsche enough to think of how to separate gender in terms of assignment, but it was extremely aggravating to have the OPM instructor refer to us as prejudicial as we did not "know" about the pronoun issues. What was really funny was toward the end of the training 6 hours later, she had to bring up Bradley (Chelsea) Manning as an example of a federal employee intergender. My TMA uniformed colleagues to a man, woman, and other, walked out of the training at that point saying that they would accept the writeup for failing to complete the training (I know they were not written up and were passed).

I'd love to hear the pronoun debate in a country with gendered language. Who does the queen of Spain think she is to just assume all doors are feminine?

 

[CynicalIntern]

if u know my job title u would not say something that stupid.

I'm actually really curious now. What possible job title could you have that would make me say "Oh, ****, I take it back, please have mercy"

CEO of Boehringer-Ingleheim?
Clinical Coordinator of McKesson?
Another one of Z's alternate accounts?
Larry Merlo? (Actually, this one makes sense)

 

[Rouelle]

I'd love to hear the pronoun debate in a country with gendered language. Who does the queen of Spain think she is to just assume all doors are feminine?

After reading through this thread I spent maybe 30 minutes googling the pronoun issue. Apparently I had lived in the dark up to this point. My cursory search did not really clarify things for me with regard to specifically how each pronoun is defined and which group of individuals each represents.