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Ten percent

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“Registered Nurse, Sandy Gibbons...said even if the vaccine doesn't completely protect you from getting the flu. you should still get it to protect yourself from some of the symptoms.”

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zelman said:
“Registered Nurse, Sandy Gibbons...said even if the vaccine doesn't completely protect you from getting the flu. you should still get it to protect yourself from some of the symptoms.”

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A perfect example of bs that sounds good on paper but is really nonsensical. She should be in management..
 
RxPreceptor said:
This article is definitely written & comprehensive enough to be at a "sosoo" grade reading comprehension level
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if you're a pharmacist, you're a disappointment. just like the flu vaccine. i expect constructive criticism and discussions. not senseless arguments.
 
sosoo said:
if you're a pharmacist, you're a disappointment. just like the flu vaccine. i expect constructive criticism and discussions. not senseless arguments.
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What You Should Know for the 2017-2018 Influenza Season

Here's some constructive criticism for you and your article:
Learn how to use a credible source of information and stop thinking almighty Google is your God and savior for catering arguments to validate your biases (you obviously seem disgruntled from work, stress, everyone on SDN laughing at you, etc.)
 
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RxPreceptor said:
What You Should Know for the 2017-2018 Influenza Season

Here's some constructive criticism for you and your article:
Learn how to use a credible source of information and stop thinking almighty Google is your God and savior for catering arguments to validate your biases (you obviously seem disgruntled from work, stress, everyone of SDN laughing at you, etc.)
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the cdc doesn't come out with the report until the season is over. it doesn't have anything there.
 
RxPreceptor said:
It literally has a bullet point addressing the 10% issue. I'm tired, learn to read well and keep on working on that thinking before speaking/typing problem you've got.
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that 10% issue was also addressed in the other links. any repetition is really unnecessary.
 
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sosoo said:
that 10% issue was also addressed in the other links. any repetition is really unnecessary.
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To repeat his point - "learn to use a credible source of information" - citing sources such as local news and most blogs are not direct sources and generally considered unprofessional and amateur when dealing with things such as medical information. They are quite often not objective sources. Cite reputable sources, such as the CDC (the link he posted), medical journals (JAMA, NEJM, etc), actual studies, PubMed, etc. Dig in to where the source ACTUALLY pulls their information and cite that. The link you presented, a local news network, doesn't provide a reputable source, it just says "the director of the NIH says".

For example, here is a bad source. Should I Get A Flu Shot? 5 Reasons Why Not.
While it does have citations, most are not reputable, and the article itself has an angle that it is trying to persuade you towards, nitpicking information that serves its agenda - it is not objective.
 
Zynx said:
To repeat his point - "learn to use a credible source of information" - citing sources such as local news and most blogs are not direct sources and generally considered unprofessional and amateur when dealing with things such as medical information. They are quite often not objective sources. Cite reputable sources, such as the CDC (the link he posted), medical journals (JAMA, NEJM, etc), actual studies, PubMed, etc. Dig in to where the source ACTUALLY pulls their information and cite that. The link you presented, a local news network, doesn't provide a reputable source, it just says "the director of the NIH says".

For example, here is a bad source. Should I Get A Flu Shot? 5 Reasons Why Not.
While it does have citations, most are not reputable, and the article itself has an angle that it is trying to persuade you towards, nitpicking information that serves its agenda - it is not objective.
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the only problem is some of us work in community settings, and others work in a basement. in retail, what customers like to do is read the news and react to the news and come to u with questions about the news, not from the cdc or reputable source.
 
sosoo said:
the only problem is some of us work in community settings, and others work in a basement. in retail, what customers like to do is read the news and react to the news and come to u with questions about the news, not from the cdc or reputable source.
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So because you talk to the general public you think you should use the general publics opinions? Wow, just wow.

You respond to the questions using legitimate sources and explain it to them so they understand.
 
sosoo said:
the only problem is some of us work in community settings, and others work in a basement. in retail, what customers like to do is read the news and react to the news and come to u with questions about the news, not from the cdc or reputable source.
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So when patients ask you questions about the news instead of using reputable sources to answer those questions you what, give them answers you find on random blogs?
 
if someone else was posting this ppl would be like, Oh this is what my customers are talking about. but because im posting this ppl like to twist it and go off negative. no where did i say u answer customer questions from illegit sources. im only posting this so ppl can have an open discussion. this isnt about me so stop making it about me. just share your thoughts about this topic.
 
owlegrad said:
Wait so you don't agree with the article and you were not defending it's use as a source?

Once again I have failed the "what does sosoo mean" game by taking your posts literally and at face value. 🙁
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i dont agree or disagree. at the end of every flu season data will come out to report the vaccine's effectiveness. i mentioned that the cdc doesn't report it until the flu season is over.
 
sosoo said:
i dont agree or disagree. at the end of every flu season data will come out to report the vaccine's effectiveness. i mentioned that the cdc doesn't report it until the flu season is over.
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Really? Can you see how the statement "thats about all u get for all the hypes, advertisements, metrics/goals around flu shots... flu vaccine companies are laughing their way to the bank.." might lead us to believe that you do, in fact, agree?
 
owlegrad said:
Really? Can you see how the statement "thats about all u get for all the hypes, advertisements, metrics/goals around flu shots... flu vaccine companies are laughing their way to the bank.." might lead us to believe that you do, in fact, agree?
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Can we petition Lee to change Sosoo's name to "Schrodinger's Point"?

You never know what their point actually is until they start defending it
 
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Summary of Recommendations

I'm actually sympathetic to the idea of not getting immunized when the recommendations are not written such that "every single US adult and child" gets the vaccine as we sometimes oversimplify. There's very severe debate in ACIP on the risk/benefit profile of a low effectiveness vaccine (it's one of the reasons why BCG is not used in the US). The influenza annual has always been one of the most contested of the vaccines, as there are unpredictable adverse effects (brain swelling) that can happen with the vaccine. For those who are in high jeopardy of exposure (us for example) or those where influenza alone has a reasonable chance of killing the patient (the very young, the very old, the already immunocompromised), even with the poor protection, it's still a reasonable utility to get the vaccine. For a low effectiveness vaccine in the general population, it's a risk measure.

The debate is whether or not you accept the Nash equilibrium assumptions. I tend to not like them as they overemphasize the personal gain of vaccination over the social benefits of having everyone vaccinated (the estimations do not work well at the extremes). The last couple of rounds have done a better job at the out of the money risk in terms of pandemics (it took H1N1 to force the matter).

I'm surprised that CVS and Walgreens don't sell to the lowest common denominator and have a "influenza death" counter for kids.

Notifiable Diseases and Mortality Tables

121 children just like yours are now dead and might have had a chance if they got the flu vaccine. For a limited time only, we offer the flu vaccine. As a concerned parent, wouldn't you want what's best for your children?
 
lord999 said:
I'm surprised that CVS and Walgreens don't sell to the lowest common denominator and have a "influenza death" counter for kids.

Notifiable Diseases and Mortality Tables

121 children just like yours are now dead and might have had a chance if they got the flu vaccine. For a limited time only, we offer the flu vaccine. As a concerned parent, wouldn't you want what's best for your children?
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If we could immunize all ages, they probably would.
 
BidingMyTime said:
I assume you are right on the title, but you shouldn't assume Sosoooo's gender....Sosoooooo get's very upset when his/her/its gender is assumed.
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Tsk, tsk, not keeping up with the times. Haven't you known that there are more gender pronouns to account for neuter and intergender. Should we refer to sosoo as a "xie"? Maybe "hir" needs transcend the standard references, perhaps?

Pronouns | Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual Resource Center

Gender Identity Guidance

In September, in anticipation of the VA starting to pay for gender reassignment surgery, I went to this ALL-DAY training class at OPM headquarters with regards to how to address intergender, transgender, and neuter individuals without sounding like a antediluvian dick. I remember mein Deutsche enough to think of how to separate gender in terms of assignment, but it was extremely aggravating to have the OPM instructor refer to us as prejudicial as we did not "know" about the pronoun issues. What was really funny was toward the end of the training 6 hours later, she had to bring up Bradley (Chelsea) Manning as an example of a federal employee intergender. My TMA uniformed colleagues to a man, woman, and other, walked out of the training at that point saying that they would accept the writeup for failing to complete the training (I know they were not written up and were passed).
 
lord999 said:
Summary of Recommendations

I'm actually sympathetic to the idea of not getting immunized when the recommendations are not written such that "every single US adult and child" gets the vaccine as we sometimes oversimplify. There's very severe debate in ACIP on the risk/benefit profile of a low effectiveness vaccine (it's one of the reasons why BCG is not used in the US). The influenza annual has always been one of the most contested of the vaccines, as there are unpredictable adverse effects (brain swelling) that can happen with the vaccine. For those who are in high jeopardy of exposure (us for example) or those where influenza alone has a reasonable chance of killing the patient (the very young, the very old, the already immunocompromised), even with the poor protection, it's still a reasonable utility to get the vaccine. For a low effectiveness vaccine in the general population, it's a risk measure.

The debate is whether or not you accept the Nash equilibrium assumptions. I tend to not like them as they overemphasize the personal gain of vaccination over the social benefits of having everyone vaccinated (the estimations do not work well at the extremes). The last couple of rounds have done a better job at the out of the money risk in terms of pandemics (it took H1N1 to force the matter).

I'm surprised that CVS and Walgreens don't sell to the lowest common denominator and have a "influenza death" counter for kids.

Notifiable Diseases and Mortality Tables

121 children just like yours are now dead and might have had a chance if they got the flu vaccine. For a limited time only, we offer the flu vaccine. As a concerned parent, wouldn't you want what's best for your children?
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They do this for HPV vaccine with that sad child asking parents if they knew about the vaccine.
 
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lord999 said:
Tsk, tsk, not keeping up with the times. Haven't you known that there are more gender pronouns to account for neuter and intergender. Should we refer to sosoo as a "xie"? Maybe "hir" needs transcend the standard references, perhaps?

Pronouns | Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual Resource Center

Gender Identity Guidance

In September, in anticipation of the VA starting to pay for gender reassignment surgery, I went to this ALL-DAY training class at OPM headquarters with regards to how to address intergender, transgender, and neuter individuals without sounding like a antediluvian dick. I remember mein Deutsche enough to think of how to separate gender in terms of assignment, but it was extremely aggravating to have the OPM instructor refer to us as prejudicial as we did not "know" about the pronoun issues. What was really funny was toward the end of the training 6 hours later, she had to bring up Bradley (Chelsea) Manning as an example of a federal employee intergender. My TMA uniformed colleagues to a man, woman, and other, walked out of the training at that point saying that they would accept the writeup for failing to complete the training (I know they were not written up and were passed).
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I'd love to hear the pronoun debate in a country with gendered language. Who does the queen of Spain think she is to just assume all doors are feminine?
 
sosoo said:
if u know my job title u would not say something that stupid.
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I'm actually really curious now. What possible job title could you have that would make me say "Oh, ****, I take it back, please have mercy"

CEO of Boehringer-Ingleheim?
Clinical Coordinator of McKesson?
Another one of Z's alternate accounts?
Larry Merlo? (Actually, this one makes sense)
 
gwarm01 said:
I'd love to hear the pronoun debate in a country with gendered language. Who does the queen of Spain think she is to just assume all doors are feminine?
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After reading through this thread I spent maybe 30 minutes googling the pronoun issue. Apparently I had lived in the dark up to this point. My cursory search did not really clarify things for me with regard to specifically how each pronoun is defined and which group of individuals each represents.
 
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