Tenesma's point 5

[jjjez]

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B]5) the reason there is a delay of patients getting into theaters (or ORs) has very little to do with the anesthesia provider deficiency, but rather with the miserably failing system of socialized medicine that exists in the UK.... the same system (or similar at least) is set up in CANADA, where for the most part there are more than enough Anesthesia providers, and they still have 6 month delays for elective surgeries...[/B]


Well... what do i know, i only live and workfor the National Health Service, my mother is only a Surgical Nurse Practitioner (yes she does surgery!!!!!!!!!! actual operations, under local anaesthetic) and my father is only a Consultant (equiv' of Attending) Anaesthetist (UK term and spelling) and Clinical Director of Anaesthetics and Pain Services at my hospital. i plucked some of my research from the AANA website. i guess i should have put the references in now. Ho hum.
Anywho, the reason we have waiting lists is a combination of a lack of anaesthetic staff and a bed shortage, but it owes more to a shortage of anaesthetic providers than one owuld think.
Secondarily, we have waiting lists because we treat everyone really. I suppose in the UK, it's because healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Oooh deep.
But yeah that's the truth,and i would hardly call the NHS a failing system, considering it serves everyone. i would say that the US health system is failing because your country leaves so many people behind.
Also, did you know that the French, who are ranked as having the #1 healthcare service in the world are abandoning some aspects because they can't afford it anymore.
An do you know which countrys' healthcare system they're going to adapt?
The UK's Naional Health Service.

I love irony, it gets all the creases out of my stomach

 

[Tenesma]

jjjez... thank you for posting something with my name in the title --- that is a first!!!

Now, your posting is filled with useless information that unfortunately i can't make much sense from.

1) i don't know if you want me to congratulate you on the fact that your parents work in the NHS...?

2) the NHS is a failing system - and it doesn't serve everyone (even though that is the intent of it). does it serve the elderly who get discharged to nursing homes (despite needs for medical attention), does it serve the mentally ill who lost 60% of their inpatient services.... If it is such a success why is the government trying to sell its hospitals to the private domain for better management? just go to nhsexposed.com to read more about how miserable it is.

3) in the UK the waiting times are definitely due to both a bed shortage and a lack of physicians/nurses (including anesthesiologists - but there is an equivalent shortage of surgeons).... but that is for people in the NHS system. If the patient chose to get outside insurance or pay privately, they can have surgery and anesthesia the next day.

4) healthcare is a right and not a privilege??? since when??? if it were a right why do you pay for your healthcare? that doesn't make much sense... will a healthy diet, warm clothes, good TV programming become a right down the road as well?

5) just because the US government hasn't socialized medicine to the point that Canada/UK/rest of europe has doesn't mean more people are getting left behind. Your implication is that in the US people don't get treated?! can you cite examples and how proportionally that is different from the UK?

6) the WHO world health system rankings are the biggest balony ever (and that would explain why France was ranked at the top)... they base their ratings based on a combination of %healthcare expenditure/GDP, allocations based on available resources, etc. their ranking system says that Andorra, San Marino, Malta, CUBA have better health systems than say New Zealand or the US!!! yeah right... that would explain why everybody in the world wants to practice medicine in the US, and that would explain why most wealthy patients come to the US for their health care...

by the way, i lived in both Canada and the UK - so despite my failings of not having parents who are in the medical profession, I still would prefer my care in the US.

So what was your point again?

 

[jjjez]

What point? i was just sayin'.
i used to live in the US....
and technically we don't pay for the NHS. When people pay tax, they don't pay a certain amount for the NHS. General taxation pays for other things, but mostly NHS funding comes from the Chancellor of the Exchequer..
And nhsexposed.com. (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
I'm sure everyone has one idea or another about why things are the way they are.
nhsexposed.com is hardly a powerhouse of healthcare theory. all it does is take stories from the news and put them on a website.
there's always bad news on the NHS, ironically, i'm sure it saves more than it kills.

And i put your name up so you could read it,not because i wanted to grab your attention for some bizarre reason.
i just wanted you to know that waiting lists have more than one reason.

and i just thought i should tell u who my parents because i'm a student nurse and my parents are wroking for the healthservice in pretty high up roles i guess, therefore some of my information is gonna come from them!








(Psst! Down here! - - - You know... some people put posts up so they can share information. see that's the thing about computers, and text messages, everyoneinterprets them in some weird tone that sounds like you're trying to get a cheap shot in. So whoops sorry if it was like that. love your posts on allnurses.com though, you seem very clever and well informed.)