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1) After the interviews you have had so far, what is your tentative rank list as of now? and why?
2) What programs you will definitely not rank? for what reasons?
 

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Who in their right minds would come on here and bash a OMFS program and list the reasons why they wouldn't rank them? Lets see who's the first tool!
 

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I don't think someone's a tool just because they don't want to rank a program and can explain why. I don't know anything about OMFS, but I did run across a couple of ortho applicants that were so disappointed with a program that they weren't sure if they would rank them. Regardless, I wouldn't put up my rank list before the ROL deadline, but that's just me.
 
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I wouldn't rank Parkland. I heard they have the highest divorce rate in the country. And they don't even know how to pull teeth.

Same for Shreveport. They scoop out these little cancers sometimes but you can learn that anywhere.
 

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toofache32 said:
I wouldn't rank Parkland. I heard they have the highest divorce rate in the country. And they don't even know how to pull teeth.

Same for Shreveport. They scoop out these little cancers sometimes but you can learn that anywhere.
If I had it to do again I wouldn't rank my place because I don't like:

1. Being the only service taking head and neck trauma call 365 days a year. I am so tired of doing ALL the panfacials, lacs, PTAs, midface, epistaxis, GSW etc.

2. I don't like doing all the head and neck path/cancer surgery with free flap reconstructions in the hospital. Huge resections, cancer infiltrating the IJ and flap checks. I wish my program director wasn't the chairman of the head and neck tumor board.

3. I don't like the fact that we are the only surgery service on the cleft team. I'm tired of the primary chielorhinoplasties, palates, VPI's, SARPE's, Alveolar clefts, orthognathics etcetera. I wish my other attending wasn't the founder and director of our hospital's cleft team for the past 20 years.

4. I wish we didn't do all the cranioplasties in central Illinois. I wish the poor kids would go to Chicago or St. Louis.

5. I wish we didn't do all the dermatopathology resections and flap reconstructions. I wish that the dermatologists would stop coming to our clinic every Tuesday and stop seeing those 80 patients making us do all the melanomas, BCC, and SCC.

6. I definately don't like our faculty to resident ratio. 4 residents to 3.5 faculty. I mean some poor guy has only .5 faculty! What a rip!

You see, I love teeth. The cusp of carabelli gives me a tachycardia. My adrenal medulla just spasms when I see teeth. I just feel so much more fulfilled when I have done this huge work up and take out a single tooth.... Please, don't make my mistake and rank my program. Stay with the good stuff... teeth under local, mandibles, and orthognathics. This stuff above is just so....so.... well... you can learn it when you get out in private practice. Just a few weekend CE's. I've heard even perio has started some of this stuff.... Take toof's and my advice and look elsewhere....
 

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esclavo said:
1. Being the only service taking head and neck trauma call 365 days a year. I am so tired of doing ALL the panfacials, lacs, PTAs, midface, epistaxis, GSW etc.

2. I don't like doing all the head and neck path/cancer surgery with free flap reconstructions in the hospital. Huge resections, cancer infiltrating the IJ and flap checks. I wish my program director wasn't the chairman of the head and neck tumor board.

3. I don't like the fact that we are the only surgery service on the cleft team. I'm tired of the primary chielorhinoplasties, palates, VPI's, SARPE's, Alveolar clefts, orthognathics etcetera. I wish my other attending wasn't the founder and director of our hospital's cleft team for the past 20 years.

4. I wish we didn't do all the cranioplasties in central Illinois. I wish the poor kids would go to Chicago or St. Louis.

5. I wish we didn't do all the dermatopathology resections and flap reconstructions. I wish that the dermatologists would stop coming to our clinic every Tuesday and stop seeing those 80 patients making us do all the melanomas, BCC, and SCC.
That's pretty frickin awesome. What are you residents in broad scope programs planning on doing after completion? 3rds and implants? If I was doing all that crazy stuff in residency I think I'd want to make use of all those skills. Kinda seems like a shame to do all that surgery and not use those skills and knowledge.
 

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drhobie7 said:
That's pretty frickin awesome. What are you residents in broad scope programs planning on doing after completion? 3rds and implants? If I was doing all that crazy stuff in residency I think I'd want to make use of all those skills. Kinda seems like a shame to do all that surgery and not use those skills and knowledge.
Going into private practice doesn't mean that you are quarantined into the world of teeth and titanium. I'm in a broad-scope program, and I'll be the first person to admit that I'm a future private practitioner. However, the reason that I'm at a broad-scope program is because I want to have a broad-scope private practice.

Obviously, I'm going to see and do larger and more complex cases in residency than I will ever do in practice. For example, there's no reason that I can't do small cancer resections with local flaps just because I don't want to do extreme radical neck dissections with free flaps. Your practice will rarely be broader than your training, but it's easy to narrow your focus. I'd like to have a large spectrum to narrow to my liking.
 

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esclavo said:
If I had it to do again I wouldn't rank my place because I don't like:

1. Being the only service taking head and neck trauma call 365 days a year. I am so tired of doing ALL the panfacials, lacs, PTAs, midface, epistaxis, GSW etc.

2. I don't like doing all the head and neck path/cancer surgery with free flap reconstructions in the hospital. Huge resections, cancer infiltrating the IJ and flap checks. I wish my program director wasn't the chairman of the head and neck tumor board.

3. I don't like the fact that we are the only surgery service on the cleft team. I'm tired of the primary chielorhinoplasties, palates, VPI's, SARPE's, Alveolar clefts, orthognathics etcetera. I wish my other attending wasn't the founder and director of our hospital's cleft team for the past 20 years.

4. I wish we didn't do all the cranioplasties in central Illinois. I wish the poor kids would go to Chicago or St. Louis.

5. I wish we didn't do all the dermatopathology resections and flap reconstructions. I wish that the dermatologists would stop coming to our clinic every Tuesday and stop seeing those 80 patients making us do all the melanomas, BCC, and SCC.

6. I definately don't like our faculty to resident ratio. 4 residents to 3.5 faculty. I mean some poor guy has only .5 faculty! What a rip!

You see, I love teeth. The cusp of carabelli gives me a tachycardia. My adrenal medulla just spasms when I see teeth. I just feel so much more fulfilled when I have done this huge work up and take out a single tooth.... Please, don't make my mistake and rank my program. Stay with the good stuff... teeth under local, mandibles, and orthognathics. This stuff above is just so....so.... well... you can learn it when you get out in private practice. Just a few weekend CE's. I've heard even perio has started some of this stuff.... Take toof's and my advice and look elsewhere....
Add to that, where else in the country has the first year resident been given the responsibility and taught how to do the full orthognathic work-up, ceph tracings, and model surgery with splint fabrication for all the orthognathic cases.

Yep at our little sleeper program. But people wouldn't want to come here cause there is no way in hell that anyone would want to have to take 14-16 days out of the month as the junior level resident for head and neck trauma-call.

Don't you also just love being the service that does 97% of all the tracheostomies for the hospital??? I wonder how ENT feels about that since that's one of those "fully paid" deals... hehehehehe...

Its just way too much work to be a first year and expected to know about and scrub in on a BSSO advancement/LF Impaction, Cleft Lip, a Pharyngeal Flap, A Palatoplasty, a Modified Radical Neck Dissection, an OKC enucleation, 1 mandible fracture, 1 panfacial, and 2 skin cancer reconstructions all in one week... I also had 15 calls to the trauma center at all hours of the day and night. Think carefully before coming here...

One more. where else in the country would a first year be asked to help co-author a chapter in a book that will be published in the Spring?

Think long and hard before ranking us... you'll work way harder here than you would expect from what you saw on your interview. We run a tight ship.
 

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esclavo said:
If I had it to do again I wouldn't rank my place because I don't like:

1. Being the only service taking head and neck trauma call 365 days a year. I am so tired of doing ALL the panfacials, lacs, PTAs, midface, epistaxis, GSW etc.

2. I don't like doing all the head and neck path/cancer surgery with free flap reconstructions in the hospital. Huge resections, cancer infiltrating the IJ and flap checks. I wish my program director wasn't the chairman of the head and neck tumor board.

3. I don't like the fact that we are the only surgery service on the cleft team. I'm tired of the primary chielorhinoplasties, palates, VPI's, SARPE's, Alveolar clefts, orthognathics etcetera. I wish my other attending wasn't the founder and director of our hospital's cleft team for the past 20 years.

4. I wish we didn't do all the cranioplasties in central Illinois. I wish the poor kids would go to Chicago or St. Louis.

5. I wish we didn't do all the dermatopathology resections and flap reconstructions. I wish that the dermatologists would stop coming to our clinic every Tuesday and stop seeing those 80 patients making us do all the melanomas, BCC, and SCC.

6. I definately don't like our faculty to resident ratio. 4 residents to 3.5 faculty. I mean some poor guy has only .5 faculty! What a rip!

You see, I love teeth. The cusp of carabelli gives me a tachycardia. My adrenal medulla just spasms when I see teeth. I just feel so much more fulfilled when I have done this huge work up and take out a single tooth.... Please, don't make my mistake and rank my program. Stay with the good stuff... teeth under local, mandibles, and orthognathics. This stuff above is just so....so.... well... you can learn it when you get out in private practice. Just a few weekend CE's. I've heard even perio has started some of this stuff.... Take toof's and my advice and look elsewhere....
esclavo.. where you at? Sounds pretty cool to me!! :D
 

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Bifid Uvula said:
...One more. where else in the country would a first year be asked to help co-author a chapter in a book that will be published in the Spring?...
Yeah but your publication begins like this: "Dear Playboy, I never thought this would happen to me..."
 

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DDSSlave said:
I don't think someone's a tool just because they don't want to rank a program and can explain why. I don't know anything about OMFS, but I did run across a couple of ortho applicants that were so disappointed with a program that they weren't sure if they would rank them. Regardless, I wouldn't put up my rank list before the ROL deadline, but that's just me.
Bad idea. Very very bad idea. How disappointed can you be in an ortho program? I wonder if those applicants realized that even at the end of the most "disappointing" program, you still get to call yourself a specialist. Better to rank everyone and get in than to find yourself in the group that didn't get in.
 

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Bad idea. Very very bad idea. How disappointed can you be in an ortho program? I wonder if those applicants realized that even at the end of the most "disappointing" program, you still get to call yourself a specialist. Better to rank everyone and get in than to find yourself in the group that didn't get in.
Maybe for a two- or three-year residency, but not for a six-year one. I would have done an intern year and reapplied rather than rank and match at a couple places that I interviewed at. I would sacrifice one year to save six years of hating your program.
 

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Doggie said:
You had a typo.......i took the liberty to correct it for you.
Nice. be sure to look for it... In an upcoming issue I've got a photo-spread too. :laugh:
 

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Nice. be sure to look for it... In an upcoming issue I've got a photo-spread too. :laugh:
The spread is going to be "Playgirl's version of Where's Waldo" if you know what I mean...
 

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The spread is going to be "Playgirl's version of Where's Waldo" if you know what I mean...

ouch.... :smuggrin:
 

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You had a typo.......i took the liberty to correct it for you.
I didn't know Playgirl was a queer, I mean peer reviewed Journal. Well I guess it is, I heard they were trying to add a periodontists to the editorial board...
 

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Questions:
1) After the interviews you have had so far, what is your tentative rank list as of now? and why?
2) What programs you will definitely not rank? for what reasons?
this reminds me, an interesting observation that I made from the interviews. I can't believe how many applicants ask regarding the prestige of a given program's medical school, before they even ask about the surgical cases, and the scope of the clinical training. For some, it even seems that they are more interested in the medical school's name than the program's surgical training, which in the end will make the difference between a mediocre surgeon to an excellent one. Just a thought to ponder when you are all ranking programs.
 

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WestCoast said:
this reminds me, an interesting observation that I made from the interviews. I can't believe how many applicants ask regarding the prestige of a given program's medical school, before they even ask about the surgical cases, and the scope of the clinical training. For some, it even seems that they are more interested in the medical school's name than the program's surgical training, which in the end will make the difference between a mediocre surgeon to an excellent one. Just a thought to ponder when you are all ranking programs.
Good point, I agree. Harvard OMFS is a good example.

On the other hand, I had never even heard of my med school until they started sending me letters for tuition a few weeks into my first year.
 

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toofache32 said:
Good point, I agree. Harvard OMFS is a good example.

On the other hand, I had never even heard of my med school until they started sending me letters for tuition a few weeks into my first year.
Very true... Being that i'm crazy, I've decided to get a medical degree, my MBA, an electronics repair certificate and a second high-school diploma from the MOST RESPECTED ONLINE UNIVERSITY I could find. :laugh:

Should only take a few thousand dollars and about 20 minutes of online applications.
 

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Very true... Being that i'm crazy, I've decided to get a medical degree, my MBA, an electronics repair certificate and a second high-school diploma from the MOST RESPECTED ONLINE UNIVERSITY I could find. :laugh:

Should only take a few thousand dollars and about 20 minutes of online applications.
You forgot to mention cosmotology certificate...wait you already have that one... you give the best pedicures as any intern I've seen. My toes haven't looked this good since... I was an intern!
 
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