Texas Lawmakers Don't think Family Practice Residency Training is important

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I just graduated medical school in Texas and will be starting a family medicine residency program soon. I'm generally an optimist, but this s**t stinks! Dang, did I just make a huge mistake in residency selection? It is obvious (from their actions) that lawmakers don't think we as a specialty are important enough to be funded:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-s...ly-practice-residencies-take-big-budget-hit-/

Do lawmakers know something I don't (like an actual surplus of family practice docs)? Have we as students been duped by primary care advocacy groups (AAFP. TAFP, etc.) in an effort to keep the specialty viable? Please, if any of you more seasoned docs care to chime in, I'm sure there are many out there asking these important questions.

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Do lawmakers know something I don't (like an actual surplus of family practice docs)?

No.

Cutting programs that are largely funded at the federal level (like GME) is easy when you're looking to slash budgets at the state level. Most politicians are very short-sighted. Their biggest concern is getting re-elected.
 
So when does this funding cut take effect? Does this mean less pay in residency, or less spots for residency? Does this mean I probably won't be able to get loan repayment either? How much harder will this make it to get loan repayment?

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The Texas House was looking to zero out all state funds going to GME, the preceptorship program for pre-clinical students, and loan repayment. The Texas Senate had less cuts compared to the Senate but at the time it was thought the cuts would be 20%. I guess they had to meet in the middle and picked 80% (?!). All of this is part of the same conversation that public education (for colleges, etc.) in Texas will get cut.

From TAFP:
On Monday, May 23, Senate and House conferees adopted budget recommendations for Article III, public and higher education funding, which eliminated funding in FY 2012-2013 for the Texas Statewide Preceptorship Program. The conference committee also recommended an 80-percent reduction in funding for family medicine, general internal medicine, and pediatric residency training through the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board; a 76-percent reduction for the physician education loan repayment program; and a 20-percent reduction in graduate medical education formula funding.

This only applies to funding coming from the state. Like Blue Dog said, there's still funding coming from CMS via Medicare/Medicaid, however, entitlement programs like Medicare and Medicaid are targets of cuts by Washington politicians.

Residency programs supported by a hospital system looking to build out their primary care base in anticipation of the health care reform and supported by large endowments, foundations, and community grants will do fine. Like all Americans living in bad times of economics, you'll have less luxuries and creature comforts but that's nothing new.

Residency programs living on the edge financially or largely supported by tax dollars will be vulnerable. Then said, all programs are vulnerable.

Make your voices heard! Tell your State Congressman to make primary care their top priority and have them find cuts somewhere else!
 
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How much of loan repayment is federal and how much is state?

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How much of loan repayment is federal and how much is state?

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Can't say for Texas in specific, but in PA, most of it is from the federal side through NHSC. It's about $25K federal and $8.5K state per year. So, you'll hopefully still get a decent amount from the state. YMMV in Texas.

However, since loan repayment generally comes after you're done with residency, there's nothing stopping you from moving out of Texas after you're done with residency and relocating to a state that still offers loan repayment. You could stick it to the man that way! :laugh:
 
Can't say for Texas in specific, but in PA, most of it is from the federal side through NHSC. It's about $25K federal and $8.5K state per year. So, you'll hopefully still get a decent amount from the state. YMMV in Texas.

However, since loan repayment generally comes after you're done with residency, there's nothing stopping you from moving out of Texas after you're done with residency and relocating to a state that still offers loan repayment. You could stick it to the man that way! :laugh:


That is true. However, I would really love to stay in Texas. What Texas Legislature is doing doesn't make too much sense to me. The only thing I can think of is that they are trying to make family medicine more competitive and create a higher demand, which would lead to an increase in compensation and therefore an increase in medical student interest in the field. Cutting a huge part of loan repayment though is difficult to explain.
 
That is true. However, I would really love to stay in Texas. What Texas Legislature is doing doesn't make too much sense to me. The only thing I can think of is that they are trying to make family medicine more competitive and create a higher demand, which would lead to an increase in compensation and therefore an increase in medical student interest in the field. Cutting a huge part of loan repayment though is difficult to explain.

You could always relocate after your loans are paid off. It would probably only take 4-5 years of concerted effort. The government (providing things don't change radically b/f then) would kick in around $35-$45K/yr, and you could easily put another $25K/yr of your own money. In 5 years time, that's around $250-$300K.

Plus, you'll be moving back to TX with a solid history of experience under your belt.
 
:confused: I dont get it. Why try to zero out funding for primary care training, and incentives to increase supply? They know that the feds ready to cut funding from their end, and that rich folks aren't giving out free money these days. It just doesnt make sense to me. Why not cut funding for specialty training, if at all?

The only thing I can think of is that they want to phase out MDs in primary care in favor of NPs... its more "cost effective".
 
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@Goodman. I might have to consider that. Plus my loans will be at max 120k so 5 years might not even be neccessary. But im definetely going to think about it.

@Reductio - The idea that they are trying to increase incentives to get more students into family medicine is maybe something I thought of to be positive haha. Other than that I'm not entirely sure why they would do this. Good news is that the NP bill giving them autonomy didn't pass.
 
That is true. However, I would really love to stay in Texas. What Texas Legislature is doing doesn't make too much sense to me. The only thing I can think of is that they are trying to make family medicine more competitive and create a higher demand, which would lead to an increase in compensation and therefore an increase in medical student interest in the field. Cutting a huge part of loan repayment though is difficult to explain.

That can't be. They're not making it more competitive... they are simply cutting off the two supply pipelines - new generalists from in-state (residency), and generalists from out of state (incentives). And its affecting IM and Peds too.

Medicine doesnt work by supply/demand. It works by resource availability - we dont change the people, we change what the people do. You're not going to tip the scales and increase demand by decreasing the supply. Theres already a demand for Primary Care nationally... the supply is not increasing. Without PMDs, you'll just have specialists treating uncontrolled train-wrecks, or you'll have NPs doing more.
 
That can't be. They're not making it more competitive... they are simply cutting off the two supply pipelines - new generalists from in-state (residency), and generalists from out of state (incentives). And its affecting IM and Peds too.

Medicine doesnt work by supply/demand. It works by resource availability - we dont change the people, we change what the people do. You're not going to tip the scales and increase demand by decreasing the supply. Theres already a demand for Primary Care nationally... the supply is not increasing. Without PMDs, you'll just have specialists treating uncontrolled train-wrecks, or you'll have NPs doing more.

NPs will do more.
 
Texas legislature f'ed up. They are at the end of the session and they cant balance the budget. Funding for the primary care programs were rolled into public and higher education. I honestly don't think legislators knew they voted for the cut because it was such a stupid thing to do! They were under pressure by voters to balance the budget by cutting public education... elementary schools, high schools, laying off teachers, closing schools that they "robbed Paul to pay Peter". They cut funding for medical schools, residency programs in general, and subsidies that go to primary care. These clowns need to voted out. Dumb decision, poor negotiating.
 
Texas legislature f'ed up. They are at the end of the session and they cant balance the budget. Funding for the primary care programs were rolled into public and higher education. I honestly don't think legislators knew they voted for the cut because it was such a stupid thing to do! They were under pressure by voters to balance the budget by cutting public education... elementary schools, high schools, laying off teachers, closing schools that they "robbed Paul to pay Peter". They cut funding for medical schools, residency programs in general, and subsidies that go to primary care. These clowns need to voted out. Dumb decision, poor negotiating.

Do you have some sort of poll that backs this up? Because that's kind of sad if so. It's one thing for legislators to think that; it's another for the general public to think that seed corn tastes delicious.
 
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Overshadowed, Med Schools Face Drastic Reductions
by Emily Ramshaw 5/18/2011
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-e...shadowed-med-schools-face-drastic-reductions/

Texas medical schools feel like the scorned children of the state's education budget. Lost amid the pleas of parents to restore funding for public education, and the demands of college students to preserve financial aid, the state's health care institutions say few seem to understand the drastic situation they face.

At a time when Texas is grappling with a dire — and growing — physician shortfall, medical schools say they won't be able to fully fund the roughly 5,600 students currently enrolled, and could be forced to curb new admissions next year.

"We are looking at the full threat of cuts," said Dr. Nancy Dickey, president of the Texas A&M Health Science Center and the A&M System's vice chancellor for health affairs. "We have been trying to assure ourselves that someone understands the depth of the predicament we're facing."

That predicament is an estimated 20 percent cut in state funding across Texas' nine medical institutions over the next biennium — the result of a 5 to 10 percent cut in formula funding, and the loss of tens of millions of dollars in federal stimulus dollars. Medical schools, which have spent the last several years ramping up their programs to address Texas' — and the nation's — physician shortage, say they are poised to lose roughly $500 million combined in 2012-13, and to see state payments for medical education drop by more than $12,000 per student per year. They're also looking at a 25 percent reduction in funding for so-called "special items" that support specific education and research initiatives.

But with their funding lumped into Article III (the giant education portion of the state budget) versus Article II (the health care section), medical schools say they have little negotiating power, and few saviors. With the budget already far short of what's needed to adequately cover elementary classrooms, preschools and college financial aid, medical schools say that in the off chance that spare dollars become available, they aren't in a good position to siphon them off.

"The challenges the health related institutions are facing is that all the attention is targeted toward public education," said Tom Banning, chief executive of the Texas Academy of Family Physicians.

The medical schools do have allies on the budget conference committee. The A&M medical school is in Senate Finance Chairman Steve Ogden's Bryan district; Texas Tech has Lubbock Sen. Robert Duncan. Sen. Florence Shapiro, R-Plano, who is advising the budget conference committee on education issues, said there is "some movement" on the health-related institutions but that nothing has been resolved yet.

"It's absolutely a viable working document at this point," she said of Article III — the only major section of the budget not to get firmed up Monday night.

But when money is tight, public education often takes priority over higher ed, where the perception is that costs can be defrayed by tuition hikes. Health-related institutions are also feeling something of an empathy void these days, as Republican state leaders debate the merits of research spending in higher education.

At Texas A&M, Dickey said, there are 274 new medical students weeks away from starting who won't be funded under the expected cuts, meaning the health science center will have to use all of its reserves to cover them. "It would be cruel and unusual to send them a letter and say, ‘Oops, sorry,'" said Dickey, who worries A&M could be forced to reduce clinical teaching contracts instead. "At the end of the day, we may have to talk about the size of the class that can be enrolled next year."

But shrinking class sizes would fly in the face of the directive the nation's health-related institutions received from the Association of American Medical Colleges in 2006, challenging them to increase enrollment 30 percent by 2015 to try to address the physician shortfall. A&M and every other school in Texas have begun significant enrollment expansions, Banning said, which has increased faculty and facility costs at the same time lawmakers are turning off the faucet.

"You've heard Gov. Perry talk about the extraordinary growth we anticipate in the coming decade," Dickey said of A&M's most politically prominent alumnus — an ardent proponent of reeling in spending. "We already have a shortage of doctors with our existing population. [The cuts] will have an impact on every citizen of this state."
 
Anybody who claims that NPs will save the health system money by taking over primary care fundamentally does not understand how reimbursement works in this country.

1. In most states (last time I checked, perhaps now it is all?) NPs can now use the same reimbursement codes for clinic visits, ie they are reimbursed the same as if it was a Family Practitioner, a General Internist, or a Pediatrician. Clinic visits are coded for the DEPTH of information gathered, the number and type of procedure, and the diagnosis. Reducing coding reimbursements for clinic visits would affect all specialties who use clinic based encounters, unless you created an inferiorly funded coding system for NPs. Given that all the nurse lobbying (and success) is in the opposite direction, and that this basically suggests that its inferior care by less well trained individuals, or requires NPs to be martyrs, this is unlikely to happen.

2. NPs and other mid level practitioners have been shown to provide equivalent care to docs for single chronic care diseases and focused procedures (ie the certified nurse anesthesiologists) That is what that badly powered JAMA article looked at, nothing more, and in no way reflects the reality of the average primary care clinic in this country, rather a generally healthy population like student health. Saying "NPs can do EVERYTHING a primary care doc can", a doc who specialized in Family Medicine and General Internal or any other field that focuses on the outpatient management of patients with complex multiple chronic diseases is nothing but a dangerous and irresponsible lie. That does not mean that I don't think NPs are exceptionally skilled, but that this oversimplification of the full scope of general medicine that can be practiced by an MD is unacceptable.

Multiple studies are ongoing right now to look at whether the more focused scope of their training causes NPs to refer more and consult specialists for patient situations that well trained GPs would feel comfortable managing on their own, as well as what patient outcomes and cost are like for NP run private offices that serve the general population. If they do refer more for anything but straightforward cases as many suspect, this means the system is paying for a (expensive) duplicate clinic visit that may not provide better outcomes, not to mention that it takes five specialists to treat one patient with several chronic diseases that could otherwise be managed competently by a well trained GP.

Don't ignore the actual cost and significant inconvenience of a patient having to take yet another 1/2 day off of work, or if they are in a rural area travel a long distance, to see the specialist.

In the end it costs the SYSTEM the same, possibly more with additional patient inconvenience.

The scenario I am more concerned about is that large hospitals and other groups will be economically incentivized to use NPs if they can get away with paying them significantly less. Again they can code the same for their clinical visits, thus the hospital makes money. Even better if they can get new NPs to behave as glorified triage services (which most GPs and many experienced NPs resist as long as they can) and shunt patients to the hospital specialists. Its an enormous disincentive for efficient and cost effective medicine; the hospital or group can be paid double for patients and for unnecessary but lucrative specialty level care.

Much better option: Multidisciplinary groups (ie medical home!).
GPs can be consulted or see themselves the train wreck multi-med comorbidity patients, or patients with less obvious presentations. NPs and other mid level staff with special skills own the diabetics counseling, cookbook prevention services, and bread and butter primary care with common presentations, etc. I am especially impressed by the groups that make these other providers partners of some form in the practice with profit sharing. In this scenario access is still improved for patients because they can be triaged to see a different level of provider in one clinic, primary care is made a bit more lucrative for everyone by increasing the capacity of clinics WITHOUT costing the system more money per patient, and patients receive exceptional multidisciplinary care.

On a side note (and a hypothetical question, I think ODs provide great care)--do you think ODs taking on an increasing percentage of primary care positions have brought down the reimbursement for primary care? In my experience they want to be compensated fairly just as much as MDs do--and if you keep adding on years of training, debt, and licensing requirements for nurses to become primary care docs, it will become just one other path to being a primary care provider, highly trained nurse professionals are not martyrs anymore than MDs. There is more than enough work to go around. NPs need to stop making sweeping and unproven statements like they are equivalent to licensed physicians who have specialized in understanding the outpatient management of disease, and physicians need to quit with the rhetoric that NPs are nothing but marginally trained job stealers.
 
physicians need to quit with the rhetoric that NPs are nothing but marginally trained job stealers.

I have never heard anyone, anywhere say that, nor do I know of even a single physician who has lost their job to a midlevel provider.
 
Your right, I used strong words to represent some of the more extreme rhetoric on the issue. But regardless of your personal experience, I have heard it multiple times, especially if you are in the forums and comments section for mainstream blogging and media. I don't think you can deny that most arguments revolve around if mid level practitioners are adequately trained to practice independently, and how this will effect the job prospects and ever worsening reimbursement of primary care physicians.

I have also never heard of a physician losing their job to an NP. I do know about ten people in my graduating medical class that list this as one of the fundamental reasons they wil not even consider primary care. Its naive to pretend that the only impact the significant lobbying wins for nurses coming out around this issue could only manifest as people being fired, and if this is not happening then everything is fine. I wholeheartedly agree (with your previous posts) that NPs cannot replace a well trained generalist, but even the prospect and the tepid response from the medical community outside of IOM and AMA position statements is further decreasing student interest in primary care fields and continues the perception that this is the "easy" specialty.
 
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