"thats a black school"

[denty]

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I need to vent...has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Meharry and Howard. I was really interested in Meharry because of its emphasis on community service. Talking to some other pre-dents, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know thats a black school". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because Im not black (I come from a mixed background) and just because it was a black school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a black person not apply to colleges because they are predominately white!!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common! 🙁

 

[blankguy]

I need to vent...has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Meharry and Howard. I was really interested in Meharry because of its emphasis on community service. Talking to some other pre-dents, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know thats a black school". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because Im not black (I come from a mixed background) and just because it was a black school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a black person not apply to colleges because they are predominately white!!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common! 🙁

On a nonracial side. Those 2 schools supposedly are the least competitive schools to get into. I asked about those two schools to dentists and they all seem to frown on those two schools.

 

[BeachLuvr]

Denty...you go right on and apply if you want. Do some searching too, there was a discussion on this topic not so long ago...

 

[busupshot83]

I need to vent...has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Meharry and Howard. I was really interested in Meharry because of its emphasis on community service. Talking to some other pre-dents, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know thats a black school". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because Im not black (I come from a mixed background) and just because it was a black school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a black person not apply to colleges because they are predominately white!!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common! 🙁

Meharry and Howard are fine institutions in my book... in fact, any accredited school is. Apply to them, don't be scurd.

 

[Yah-E]

Denty..

Why listen to others before you even try it out yourself!! If you're interested in Meharry and Howard, then freaking apply there!! If you decided not to apply to those two schools because you heard that you shouldn't apply there, then you're weak minded. Don't blame others when you're the one who decided not to apply. If people tell you to jump off the bridge, would you? Have a mind of your own and stop being a weak mind!

 

[denty]

Let me clarify... I did apply way before I even heard that comment and I certainly would never be swayed by such a thing. I just was disappointed with what they said.

And as someone else stated if the school is accredited its fine, its what you make out of the school. 👍

I should be more careful when I write 😳

Denty..

Why listen to others before you even try it out yourself!! If you're interested in Meharry and Howard, then freaking apply there!! If you decided not to apply to those two schools because you heard that you shouldn't apply there, then you're weak minded. Don't blame others when you're the one who decided not to apply. If people tell you to jump off the bridge, would you? Have a mind of your own and stop being a weak mind!

 

[Zurik5]

I say go ahead and apply. Not sure if Meharry/Howard would be for everyone, but if that's your thing hit it up...

 

[OzDDS]

I was under the impression that these schools were actually pretty difficult to generally gain acceptance, but for completely different reasons. These are the only two schools that legitimately have a mission statement to predominately only admit students of a single race.

 

[Bickle]

I say go ahead and apply. Not sure if Meharry/Howard would be for everyone, but if that's your thing hit it up...

Other than race, what makes those two schools different from the other ones out there?

 

[OzDDS]

Other than race, what makes those two schools different from the other ones out there?

Nothing

 

[Bickle]

Nothing

Really? I heard Howard has pretty rundown clinics/labs, and the administration/faculty can be very disorganized at times. I cant say for sure though, I've never visited.

I actually heard a rumour that two years ago the DS1s wrote an exam (not sure which class) and 99% of the class failed it, so the admin mandated that the EXACT same test be given to the class. The professors even went over the exam with them before the 2nd writing was to take place. 😱

 

[HuyetKiem]

I need to vent...has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Meharry and Howard. I was really interested in Meharry because of its emphasis on community service. Talking to some other pre-dents, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know thats a black school". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because Im not black (I come from a mixed background) and just because it was a black school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a black person not apply to colleges because they are predominately white!!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common! 🙁

I need to vent too..has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Baylor, UT-Houston, UT-San antonio. I was really interested in UT-Houston because of its location. Talking to these school's admin people, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know that's school for Texas residents only (95-98%)". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because I'm not Texas resident (although I had worked few years there) and just because it was an instate school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a non resident not apply to colleges because they are predominately Texas resident !!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common!

 

[Blackstars]

Really? I heard Howard has pretty rundown clinics/labs, and the administration/faculty can be very disorganized at times. I cant say for sure though, I've never visited.

I actually heard a rumour that two years ago the DS1s wrote an exam (not sure which class) and 99% of the class failed it, so the admin mandated that the EXACT same test be given to the class. The professors even went over the exam with them before the 2nd writing was to take place. 😱

Yes we really believe all this bull*** from Bickle, then again I'm not surprised to hear this from BUckle

 

[aphistis]

I need to vent too..has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Baylor, UT-Houston, UT-San antonio. I was really interested in UT-Houston because of its location. Talking to these school's admin people, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know that's school for Texas residents only (95-98%)". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because I'm not Texas resident (although I had worked few years there) and just because it was an instate school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a non resident not apply to colleges because they are predominately Texas resident !!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common!

Let me guess, you're an African-American of non-Texas residence? 🙄

 

[Bickle]

Yes we really believe all this bull*** from Bickle, then again I'm not surprised to hear this from BUckle

Not sure what you mean by "BUckle".

Believe me if you want, I know a guy whos in his 3rd year at howard right now, he was the one who told me about that exam debacle.

 

[OzDDS]

The only problem I see with having a school with a mission statement to only accept students of a particular race, or affirmative action in any school is that these days you have people of all different and/or mixed backgrounds living together and growing up together in the same environment. What about someone who is not classified as African American who grows up in a quote ?disadvantaged background?? They just get the short end of the stick. No help available to them because of their color. Hmm?
Instead of making color requirements to let students get in with subpar scores, why don?t we just put money into educational assistance programs to allow ANYONE who needs some additional help and has a desire to further their education to meet the standard requirements for general admission to any school.

 

[Zurik5]

Other than race, what makes those two schools different from the other ones out there?

I was just saying that not everyone might enjoy being the only minority, or lack there of, at a school, that's all. Nothing wrong with either school, imo.

 

[adamlc18]

I need to vent too..has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Baylor, UT-Houston, UT-San antonio. I was really interested in UT-Houston because of its location. Talking to these school's admin people, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know that's school for Texas residents only (95-98%)". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because I'm not Texas resident (although I had worked few years there) and just because it was an instate school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a non resident not apply to colleges because they are predominately Texas resident !!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common!

I interviewed at baylor last year as an out-of-state resident. During the interview, they told us that they only let in 2 or 3 out of state students. If i had known that when I applied, I wouldnt have bothered applying there. If you are an out-of-state student, unless you have stellar, and i mean stellar stats, i wouldnt bother applying. Even then, it's not a sure thing.

 

[denty]

hmmm are you making fun of me? 😕

I need to vent too..has this happened to you?...

As I was searching for different dental schools, I came across Baylor, UT-Houston, UT-San antonio. I was really interested in UT-Houston because of its location. Talking to these school's admin people, I mentioned the schools and they immediately said "oh you know that's school for Texas residents only (95-98%)". I was really shocked and totally confused because they were basically telling me that I shouldnt apply because I'm not Texas resident (although I had worked few years there) and just because it was an instate school, like it would be any different than any other school. This comment made me really angry because does a non resident not apply to colleges because they are predominately Texas resident !!?? Sorry I had to vent, I know people are ignorant, but common!

 

[clevelandDDS]

Meharry and Howard don't just admit African American students. I have a friend in Pharmacy school at Howard, plus I've been there many times to visit. The schools want to make the population of 'minority' applicants to better mirror their actual representation in the real world. These schools are still competetive, and by no means sub par in comparison to other schools! - hence they are accredited. They actually look at more than numbers and take into consideration an applicants desire for the profession, dedication, and ability to do the work. They also supply a family environment and are extremely supportive of their students in completing their program. There are many black people, but also hispanics, those of Asian, middle easterns decent, africans, etc. The classes are very culturally diverse. So check it out for yourself, you may be surprised. Then you can form your own opinion, which is the one that really matters🙂

 

[drtoothfairy]

You guys that are non-texas residents, join the club, other schools do the same thing to non-resident students. Some schools only take a small percentage of non-residents and they give preference to their own. It is not only Texas!!

 

[toothcaries]

You guys that are non-texas residents, join the club, other schools do the same thing to non-resident students. Some schools only take a small percentage of non-residents and they give preference to their own. It is not only Texas!!

why the heck should taxpayers of texas need to support carpetbaggers from out of state?

subsidize the kid from california for 4 years...so that kid can run back to an already saturated orange county, cali after graduation..
that's dumb.

personally..
seeing as the vast majority of the out of staters in my class are not staying in ohio...i support the "state school for state residents" arguement.
there is a better chance that those with roots in a state will return home to provide care their community.

a return on the taxpayer investment.

 

[HuyetKiem]

why the heck should taxpayers of texas need to support carpetbaggers from out of state?

subsidize the kid from california for 4 years...so that kid can run back to an already saturated orange county, cali after graduation..
that's dumb.

personally..
seeing as the vast majority of the out of staters in my class are not staying in ohio...i support the "state school for state residents" arguement.
there is a better chance that those with roots in a state will return home to provide care their community.

a return on the taxpayer investment.

Now you know my analogy:

why the heck should privates dental colleges such as Meharry and Howard accept non African Americans from all over the country ?

Educate the kid from non black background for 4 years...so that kid can run back to their already saturated communities but not black underserved communites after graduation..
that's dumb.

personally..
seeing as the vast majority students in my class are not staying and serving in the black underserved communites... i support the "mission statements of both Meharry and Howard" arguement.
there is a better chance that those with roots in their community will return home to provide care their community.

a return on those schools' investments

 

[clevelandDDS]

Well said HuyetKiem. You put it into perspective.

Now you know my analogy:

why the heck should privates dental colleges such as Meharry and Howard accept non African Americans from all over the country ?

Educate the kid from non black background for 4 years...so that kid can run back to their already saturated communities but not black underserved communites after graduation..
that's dumb.

personally..
seeing as the vast majority students in my class are not staying and serving in the black underserved communites... i support the "mission statements of both Meharry and Howard" arguement.
there is a better chance that those with roots in their community will return home to provide care their community.

a return on those schools' investments

 

[toothcaries]

your anology is flawed....since blacks are not financially supporting those schools. no investment by the african american population to produce oral health care professionals.

AA is one of those "greater good" issues...
those educated blacks will have educated kids...blah blah..you know the theory.

anyways,
their mission(howard and meharry) is to recruit and train underrepresented minorities...
you can say the "vast majority"...but the fact remains that those students are more likely to provide the dental care to those underserved population. would a white or asian student with "mediocre" credentials be more likely to serve in an underserved area?
the world is not "all or nothing".

btw, underrepresented minorities include whites from appalachia.


i do not support AA..
...but i do understand that certain groups were excluded from this profession for a number of years. i may not completely agree....but i do respect the stated charter of those 2 universiities.

btw,
why no complaints about loma linda?
religious preferences are ok?
😛

Now you know my analogy:

why the heck should privates dental colleges such as Meharry and Howard accept non African Americans from all over the country ?

Educate the kid from non black background for 4 years...so that kid can run back to their already saturated communities but not black underserved communites after graduation..
that's dumb.

personally..
seeing as the vast majority students in my class are not staying and serving in the black underserved communites... i support the "mission statements of both Meharry and Howard" arguement.
there is a better chance that those with roots in their community will return home to provide care their community.

a return on those schools' investments

 

[clevelandDDS]

Actually, blacks universities rely on financial support from their alumni/supporters. I don't believe HBCUs (historically black colleges/universities) receive the same funding like from the state and local gov't like public universities do. I think this is the case for most private schools. But I do agree with you toothcaries about AA.

your anology is flawed....since blacks are not financially supporting those schools. no investment by the african american population to produce oral health care professionals.

AA is one of those "greater good" issues...
those educated blacks will have educated kids...blah blah..you know the theory.

anyways,
their mission(howard and meharry) is to recruit and train underrepresented minorities...
you can say the "vast majority"...but the fact remains that those students are more likely to provide the dental care to those underserved population. would a white or asian student with "mediocre" credentials be more likely to serve in an underserved area?
the world is not "all or nothing".

btw, underrepresented minorities include whites from appalachia.


i do not support AA..
...but i do understand that certain groups were excluded from this profession for a number of years. i may not completely agree....but i do respect the stated charter of those 2 universiities.

btw,
why no complaints about loma linda?
religious preferences are ok?
😛

 

[boogaking]

Like most applicants, I wish all schools were fair game to get into... but thats not the case because of MONEY.... every school is influenced by the flow of money... It's not only Tx... Look at the Oregon schools.. Colorado... Minnesota...etc.. they all favor their residences or they're selective surrounding states... if you think you're feeling lucky... just try and apply to Georgia as a CA resident... now if you're successful... wow!!! But the case in point being.. most schools do have favor-tism... it's not being 'ignorant' ...it's just politics and business! Example: School X needs big building... gets state or alumni 'donations... school X accepts the money as well as the 'deal'...deal= accept mostly a particular group so that group can flourish in that area or region group= eg state resident or african american, etc...

Schools are not the only thing in society that is run like this.... Look at our Gov't! If you had a few billion dollars... and a hundred or so lobbyist in Washington... don't you think you could do what ever the frig you want... or just about.


hey is it just me or does toothcaries look familiar!!!???

So the only solution I could see is ... get into dental school... make money... and open up your own Dental school.... actually thats a pretty good idea... if any of ya'll are interested... hit me up in about 30 years... on our admissions bylaw we could say 'SDNers are highly favorable at our school!" 👍

 

[albuquerquegirl]

BTW, I was surprised to see the stats of Howard. I don't have the book in front of me, but according to the ADA Opportunities for Minorities in Dental Schools, Howard's 2002 (or maybe 2003, I don't remember off hand) DS1 class is mostly Black, Asian, and White. There is like one Hispanic person. I was under the impression also that Howard's mission was to "recruit and retain qualified medical personnel from disadvantaged and underreppresented communites," and, that Howard was a "Black" school. Look for yourself, it is not.

Also, why would anyone want to live in Texas anyway? 😀

 

[ItsGavinC]

that Howard was a "Black" school. Look for yourself, it is not.

No, it is. Your logic is flawed because you are not looking at proportions. You need to take into account the overall black applicants to dental school, and then you'll see that an enormous proportion of them are enrolled at Howard (and there's nothing wrong with that).

For example, we have 4 Native Americans in my dental school class. People look at that and think that 4 is a puny number. Well, in and of itself it is. But, when you understand that there are 20 total Native American applicants to dental school each year, then 4 is a huge chunk of that.

Same thing with the black students at Howard.

 

[albuquerquegirl]

No, it is. Your logic is flawed because you are not looking at proportions. You need to take into account the overall black applicants to dental school, and then you'll see that an enormous proportion of them are enrolled at Howard (and there's nothing wrong with that).

For example, we have 4 Native Americans in my dental school class. People look at that and think that 4 is a puny number. Well, in and of itself it is. But, when you understand that there are 20 total Native American applicants to dental school each year, then 4 is a huge chunk of that.

Same thing with the black students at Howard.

Let me clarify.

When people, mention Howard they think it "admits students only from a single race." That is what they think, and that is what they mean. They aren't saying that "an enormous proportion of them are."
What is important is that people from ALL races feel comfortable, and not feel disenfranchised and frustrated because being white eliminated them from Howard, this just creates racial tension. The point I was trying to make is that Howard is interested in recruiting those that will continue the mission of the school, be it Black, Asian, Hispanic, or White, at least that is the way I felt when I visited.

Being a Hispanic female, in New Mexico with a huge population of many races and ethnicities, Native American largely included, I do not think of 4 as a puny number. That, next to Oklahoma is probably the largest of its kind. I am fully aware of the numbers (and what they mean) of minorities who apply and are accepted into dental school. However, being a minority it is disturbing to hear other people's frustration when these touchy subjects come up. Overall, it's important for people to feel comfortable applying to any school they want, and for those who chose not to apply to Howard just because they've heard it's a "Black" school.

 

[denty]

Exactly i totally agree!!!

Let me clarify.

When people, mention Howard they think it "admits students only from a single race." That is what they think, and that is what they mean. They aren't saying that "an enormous proportion of them are."
What is important is that people from ALL races feel comfortable, and not feel disenfranchised and frustrated because being white eliminated them from Howard, this just creates racial tension. The point I was trying to make is that Howard is interested in recruiting those that will continue the mission of the school, be it Black, Asian, Hispanic, or White, at least that is the way I felt when I visited.

Being a Hispanic female, in New Mexico with a huge population of many races and ethnicities, Native American largely included, I do not think of 4 as a puny number. That, next to Oklahoma is probably the largest of its kind. I am fully aware of the numbers (and what they mean) of minorities who apply and are accepted into dental school. However, being a minority it is disturbing to hear other people's frustration when these touchy subjects come up. Overall, it's important for people to feel comfortable applying to any school they want, and for those who chose not to apply to Howard just because they've heard it's a "Black" school.

 

[boogaking]

huh?

Marsha Brady???

 

[ehop24]

Just a thought: If a school's purpose, as previously mentioned, is to better represent the racial/social distribution of the country, why is there only one hispanic? The hispanic group is the largest minority group in the US now, not black. We need some historically hispanic universities. Again, this is just a thought...I have no agenda.

 

[OzDDS]

I think I read a statistic somewhere that like 70% of all african americans have "at least" 1 white ancestor... and like 30% of all "caucasians" had at least 1 black ancestor. We are a melting pot country, and most people are mixed to some extint. What is "white" anyways.. some consider jews white.. some don't, what about italians, or people of middle eastern decent? Actually "white" has the widest variabilty of any classification anyways. Who determines if you are a minority? What if Tiger Woods applied to dental school.. Some say he's black, some say he's more asian. It could go one way or the other.. click this box (You get much scholorship money and an eaiser admission) Click box 2 and you get nothing.. hmm... such a fine line. This is another reason I really disagree with AA. I can understand if AA was around in the 1960's, but I think it is quickly losing it's validity.. and has instead turned into a way to exclude some and include others unfairly.

 

[Tamala]

I think I read a statistic somewhere that like 70% of all african americans have "at least" 1 white ancestor... and like 30% of all "caucasians" had at least 1 black ancestor. We are a melting pot country, and most people are mixed to some extint. What is "white" anyways.. some consider jews white.. some don't, what about italians, or people of middle eastern decent? Actually "white" has the widest variabilty of any classification anyways. Who determines if you are a minority? What if Tiger Woods applied to dental school.. Some say he's black, some say he's more asian. It could go one way or the other.. click this box (You get much scholorship money and an eaiser admission) Click box 2 and you get nothing.. hmm... such a fine line. This is another reason I really disagree with AA. I can understand if AA was around in the 1960's, but I think it is quickly losing it's validity.. and has instead turned into a way to exclude some and include others unfairly.

My dental hygenist went to howard and he is Asian and so his is wife who is in their Dental school.
I know several Indians and International whites who are at howard.
Their graduate and professional schools have surprising a good mix of races and ethinic backgrounds. I don't like the negative stigma that people are putting on certian schools when themselves have not been in the environment.

 

[ItsGavinC]

I don't like the negative stigma that people are putting on certian schools when themselves have not been in the environment.

Negative stigma and the truth are two different things. Being a historically Black school isn't anything negative.

I find it odd that people here seem to think a chosen few are "making up" or "creating" a stigma for Howard.

From Howard's own website: "Howard University is a comprehensive, research-oriented, historically Black private university providing an educational experience of exceptional quality to students of high academic potential with particular emphasis upon the provision of educational opportunities to promising Black students."

They admit it, and I have no problem with it. Why would anybody have a problem with it? The only problems arise when those who apply don't do research on the schools (any schools!) and then are shocked when their application gets denied for various reasons.

 

[ASUgrad]

Well it is like applying to University of Illinois and not being a resident, you have a small shot. If you want to be the underdog (like Bears vs. Eagles this week) be the bears, apply to Howard or Meharry, you might get in and you might not. I think that those schools have received a lot of monies from many influential minority groups, founded by minority groups, and run by minority groups, and your chances of getting in are well the minority. 62% of applicants to Howard are white last year but 3% matriculated, as opposed to 38% applicants (black, asian, hispanic, native american) that filled 97% of the spots. These schools feel they have a role in the education of minorities (Black, Asian, Hispanic) and many of these schools were setup in a time when those opportunites weren't available, so you can't blame them for sticking with their idealogy. In terms of Texas schools, didn't they want to become their own nation once? The Republic of Texas! I have a buddy who is a texas med student and when I told them I might apply to Baylor, etc.. he said, "what is you stupid, if you ain't texan, you ain't texan" I am not kidding that was stated by my friend Jeff, he is a Fort Worth Native, born and bread, LOL man I got to give him a call. With all the stats and political crap out of the way, you will never have a chance if you don't try, so don't let people dictate who you are and if the school wasn't good,then they probably wouldn't be accredited so good luck and I hope you get in.

BillE

 

[Mo007]

So... does anyone think there should be another "Howard" and "Meharry" Dental School out-there? hmmm?

 

[busupshot83]

So... does anyone think there should be another "Howard" and "Meharry" Dental School out-there? hmmm?

I think there should be more dental schools, in general, out there. There already will be a shortage of dentists in the near future. There is one rumored to be built in Hawaii...