The DSM-IV SDN Version: What would you change?

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Ollie123

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So I've been reading some classification papers, and I figured this could make an interesting thread topic. I obviously don't expect us to completely resolve all the issues with the DSM here, but what are your big problems with it? If you could change a couple things, what would they be? It can be disorder-specific or more broad, it doesn't matter.

For me, the big ones are:

1) Less categorization, more continuity. This applies to everythings from Axis, to disorders, to symptoms. I think the way it is currently set up makes "official" diagnosis almost arbitrary. It is so easy for a person to not meet "official" criterion for one disorder, yet still have one symptom severe enough that there is no reason they shouldn't be classified as having that disorder.

2) This sort of ties into #1 in a way, but less focus on isolating certain diagnoses. Let's face it, everything is comorbid with everything in our field. We have a serious classification problem. The manual could be re-written with MUCH better analysis of co-morbidity (e.g. drinking as a means of self-medicating a mood disorder, ED as a means of handling what is basically a form of social anxiety). I could go on and on, but I think there's way too much compartmentalization of disorders the way it is currently written. From reading the section on MDD, you'd barely know that there is an ENORMOUS correlation with anxiety.

So what would others change?
 
Those ludicrous prevalence rates, for one. Dissociative fugue has a prevalence of 0.2%?? :laugh: Other prevalence rates are equally loony.

I'll withhold my more... unique... opinions on the DSM in principle so as not to inadvertently hijack this thread.🙂
 
Take out the amenhorrea for anorexia...
Also, don't put a weight requirement on anorexia...85% of ideal body weight. What if someone starts at 300 pounds and drops to 200 in 3 months? By the DSM, this can't be considered anorexia because they are still well over 100% of their IBW, nevermind 85% below! But the behaviors and thoughts are still the same...this person could literally starve to death at 200 pounds...but nope, not anorexia according to the DSM!
 
The inclusion of Internet Addiction Disorder.

I predict it will be the alcoholism of our generation.
 
Take out the amenhorrea for anorexia...
Also, don't put a weight requirement on anorexia...85% of ideal body weight. What if someone starts at 300 pounds and drops to 200 in 3 months? By the DSM, this can't be considered anorexia because they are still well over 100% of their IBW, nevermind 85% below! But the behaviors and thoughts are still the same...this person could literally starve to death at 200 pounds...but nope, not anorexia according to the DSM!
They're actually working on all of this, per the adolescent medicine/ED specialist I work with. She went to the conference in Baltimore this spring, and sat in on a seminar in which they were talking about the proposed changes.

The hope is that the new criteria will be more inclusive of males and pre-pubescent girls, and address the seemingly arbitrary 85%. With the pre-adols, the body image issues are rarely as clear-cut as they are in adols and adults, so that needs to be addressed as well. And your point about going from 300 --> 200 is well-taken also- IIRC, the revisions will discuss a "loss of XX% of body weight" rather than a "% of ideal". In that vein, I think they're also looking at medicalizing the criteria a bit re: cardiac changes, electrolyte changes, kidney funtion changes, etc.
 
I'm with Ollie on hoping the DSM-V relies less on categorization. I one day hope to see an almost entirely dimensional approach to diagnosis, but I know that's not going to happen by 2011.
 
Self-Harm as a diagnosis in and of itself or as a part of something that is not nesseccarily Borderline PD. Alot of teen girls are cutting on the themselves and the best DX that we could come up with is R/O borderline personality disorder traits. Just my 2 cents.

Jeff
 
I really like how the PDM is organized, and I think the DSM people could learn a thing or four from that manual.

-t

I wholeheartedly agree. People who are unfamiliar with this manual should definitely pick it up.

In terms of needed changes, I would definitely like to see a dimensional classification system - at least for the personality disorders.

I know it would be impossible to pull off right now, but I think it would be cool if someday we could come up with a diagnostic manual integrating neurological stystems: i.e. "frontal lobe disorders" etc. Maybe in another ten years or so. 😉
 
Self-Harm as a diagnosis in and of itself or as a part of something that is not nesseccarily Borderline PD. Alot of teen girls are cutting on the themselves and the best DX that we could come up with is R/O borderline personality disorder traits. Just my 2 cents.

Jeff

I completely agree, self-harm doesn't equal BPD, but so often it does in the eyes of the clinician, which interprets from the DSM-IV.

-t
 
I wholeheartedly agree. People who are unfamiliar with this manual should definitely pick it up.

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I picked mine up last fall, and I haven't had time to fully read through it, but I really like the organization of it, and I think it is much closer to how things should be categorized.

-t
 
Hmm.

I'm tempted to buy that, but I think they'd kick me out of my program if they caught me with it😉 Anyone care to summarize what they changed as far as organization goes (briefly, obviously).
 
The prevalence rates are DEFINITELY off.

I really like how the PDM is organized, and I think the DSM people could learn a thing or four from that manual.

-t

My clinical psychopathology class is using the PDM and I'm just cracking the spine tonight. I hadn't heard of it before this class. Besides organization, what do you think of it? Wait...I just read to the bottom of the thread and saw that you haven't read a lot of it yet...
 
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